My husband thinks,private security company,chain attached to whistle. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > Hi Richard & fellow members > > I was very surprised at how many people are trying to help me to identify > the uniform worn by my Thomas Jones on his photograph. Thank you all very > much I am very grateful for all of your assistance and comments. > > I am fairly sure that Thomas Jones was musical that is why I thought of > the > Salvation Army but the initials are incorrect. Mainly my family like most > Welsh people liked to sing. I do not recall any family member playing an > instrument but I was only three years old when the photograph was taken. > > Kind regards > > Heather Smith > > > I blew up the collar on my PC, and the left lapel just says "FL" like the > right hand collar does, so it's probably not a government organization > requiring personnel ID's to be visible on a uniform (like a police force). > > Heather : Do you know if your relative was musical? What was his > profession > right after WWII? > > I'm still of the inclination that it's a corporate 'logo' (rail, > messenger, > ferry etc) or some kind of band uniform perhaps? Like this: > > http://www.satiche.org.uk/vinbbp/phot5983.jpg > > However, I would tend to lean away from Railway as the cap is not > consistent > with the style of hats I've ever seen worn by railway employees. > > Richard > > > Behalf Of Gordon > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:48 PM > To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > > I've looked at the image put up by Richard and I think it is quite certain > that the left side of the collar bears at least two numerals. The first is > certainly not 1, may even be 9 We have to think what organisation would > have > a corps > of more than 20 men similarly attired. > > Gordon > > Behalf Of Richard Williams > Sent: 12 November 2007 21:29 > To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my > website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is > looking > into it for her. > > http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg > > Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the > uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil > government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's > Brigade > etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping > with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was > not > uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their > ribbons. > > So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind > of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he > was > actually porter though! > > As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case > it's > recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the > memory of a local. > Richard > > Behalf Of Heather Smith > > Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL > > I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June > 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. > > Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left > breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, > it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the > pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The > buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to > lapels > on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal > circle. > The photo does not show the other side of his collar. > > Photograph taken by JEROME? > > Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? > > Thanks > > Heather > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

There is an FL Security company in Birmingham and the Midlands but not sure how long they have been established.Jill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill & Mike" <jill@mjhurst.force9.co.uk> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > My husband thinks,private security company,chain attached to whistle. Jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:10 AM > Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > >> Hi Richard & fellow members >> >> I was very surprised at how many people are trying to help me to identify >> the uniform worn by my Thomas Jones on his photograph. Thank you all very >> much I am very grateful for all of your assistance and comments. >> >> I am fairly sure that Thomas Jones was musical that is why I thought of >> the >> Salvation Army but the initials are incorrect. Mainly my family like most >> Welsh people liked to sing. I do not recall any family member playing an >> instrument but I was only three years old when the photograph was taken. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Heather Smith >> >> >> I blew up the collar on my PC, and the left lapel just says "FL" like the >> right hand collar does, so it's probably not a government organization >> requiring personnel ID's to be visible on a uniform (like a police >> force). >> >> Heather : Do you know if your relative was musical? What was his >> profession >> right after WWII? >> >> I'm still of the inclination that it's a corporate 'logo' (rail, >> messenger, >> ferry etc) or some kind of band uniform perhaps? Like this: >> >> http://www.satiche.org.uk/vinbbp/phot5983.jpg >> >> However, I would tend to lean away from Railway as the cap is not >> consistent >> with the style of hats I've ever seen worn by railway employees. >> >> Richard >> >> >> Behalf Of Gordon >> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:48 PM >> To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar >> >> >> I've looked at the image put up by Richard and I think it is quite >> certain >> that the left side of the collar bears at least two numerals. The first >> is >> certainly not 1, may even be 9 We have to think what organisation would >> have >> a corps >> of more than 20 men similarly attired. >> >> Gordon >> >> Behalf Of Richard Williams >> Sent: 12 November 2007 21:29 >> To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar >> >> Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my >> website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is >> looking >> into it for her. >> >> http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg >> >> Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the >> uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil >> government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's >> Brigade >> etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping >> with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was >> not >> uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their >> ribbons. >> >> So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some >> kind >> of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he >> was >> actually porter though! >> >> As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case >> it's >> recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the >> memory of a local. >> Richard >> >> Behalf Of Heather Smith >> >> Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL >> >> I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June >> 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. >> >> Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left >> breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the >> flap, >> it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the >> pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The >> buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to >> lapels >> on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal >> circle. >> The photo does not show the other side of his collar. >> >> Photograph taken by JEROME? >> >> Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? >> >> Thanks >> >> Heather >> >> >> =================== >> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: >> www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >