Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather

Heather, those kind of badges we common during WWII in the various civil defense/service branches, although being 1947 it would seem odd that someone would have a portrait done in such a uniform. If you send me a JPG of the picture I'll see if I can figure it out for you :) raw@sonic.net (my family has served in the UK military for a long time, so I might notice something else in the picture that helps). Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Civil Defence Corps was in existence for many years after 1945 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Williams" <raw@sonic.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > Heather, > those kind of badges we common during WWII in the various civil > defense/service branches, although being 1947 it would seem odd that > someone > would have a portrait done in such a uniform. > > If you send me a JPG of the picture I'll see if I can figure it out for > you > :) raw@sonic.net (my family has served in the UK military for a long > time, > so I might notice something else in the picture that helps). > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Heather Smith > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM > To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > > > > Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL > > I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June > 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. > > Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left > breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, > it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the > pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The > buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to > lapels > on > each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal > circle. > The photo does not show the other side of his collar. > > Photograph taken by JEROME? > > Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? > > Thanks > > Heather > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is looking into it for her. http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's Brigade etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was not uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their ribbons. So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he was actually porter though! As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case it's recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the memory of a local. Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know about the initials FL, but Jerome's was a Photographic studio in Liverpool. Ann. --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

Heather - this link to Jerome website may be of interest http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/PP_I/pp_jerome_0.htm Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> To: <POWYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > > Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL > > I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June > 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. > > Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left > breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, > it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the > pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The > buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to > lapels > on > each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal > circle. > The photo does not show the other side of his collar. > > Photograph taken by JEROME? > > Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? > > Thanks > > Heather > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >