Barry, "Llancadwaladr" is *not* a parish located in Montgomeryshire but, rather, it's in Denbighshire ("Llangadwaladr"), to the south, very near the border with Montgomeryshire -- there's also a parish of the same name in Anglesey. GENUKI pages for Denbighshire -- much information here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/ There are also two Rootsweb mailing lists covering Denbighshire: CLWYD and WLS-Denbighshire. Subscribe to each in the same way you subscribed to the Powys list. The welcome message will provide you with the address to send postings to. I believe obtaining Edward ISAAC's (b.1851) marriage & birth certificates should be your starting point (as well as locating him on all later census returns). You didn't mention where you obtained his date of birth. His marriage certificate will provide the name and occupation of his father and his birth certificate will provide you with a certain maiden name of his mother, as well as their residence at the time of the birth. A check using www.freebmd.org.uk for a marriage of Edward ISAAC and Mary HAMER in the years immediately surrounding 1871 yielded this reference: Sept. Qtr. 1871 Isaac Edward Hamer Mary (listed on same Vol/Pg.) District: Bolton Vol. 8c, Pg. 455 Bolton Reg. District covers sub-districts listed here: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bolton.html Suggest you obtain this marriage certificate as a first step. Instructions are here: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Certificates.html There were no results fitting your Edward ISAAC in the 1881 Census for all of England & Wales -- presume they had emigrated by this time? Since he was married in Lancashire in 1871, it would be advantageous to locate him in the 1861 & 1871 Census returns and obtain any birth certificates of their children born before they emigrated. I was able to locate the parents, John ISAAC & Ruth, in 1881 -- note their birthplaces (Ruth's should read: Llangwm) -- both parishes are in Denbighshire. You may be able to connect with other ISAAC & ROBERTS family researchers from the mailing lists and from joining the Clwyd Family History Society. 1881 Census Dwelling: 11 Elizabeth St Census Place: Farnworth, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341912 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3814 Folio 27 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ISAAC M 58 M Glynceiriog, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Blacksmith Ruth ISAAC M 54 F Llangwn, Wales Rel: Wife The household next door appears to be their son and his family -- note John's age -- if Edward was born in Denbighshire in 1850/51 and John was born in Farnworth, Lancashire in 1857/58, that points to the migration to Lancashire within that time period so you should be able to locate the entire family in Farnsworth in the 1861 Census -- check the GENUKI pages for Lancashire resources. 1881 Census Dwelling: 12 Elizabeth St Census Place: Farnworth, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341912 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3814 Folio 32 Page 17 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ISAAC M 23 M Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner Sarah ISAAC M 25 F Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife William ISAAC 5 M Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John E. ISAAC 2 M Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Sarah J. ISAAC 10 m F Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur A check of the NorthWalesBMD Index at: www.northwalesbmd.org.uk for 1849 through 1853 for "All Regions" yielded only 1 result in 1850 for an Edward ISAAC, registered in the Sub-District of Llanfair Caereinion (Registers at Welshpool, MGY), Reference LLANFAIR/05/78. According to the information on the website, a birth in Llangadwaladr would fall under the Sub-District of Llanrhaeadr-ym-Mochnant in the Llanfyllin Registration District (again, these registers are held at Welshpool now). The site indicates the indexing for this sub-district is complete for 1837-1950. Another check of the NorthWalesBMD Index for the marriage of John ISAAC & Ruth ROBERTS came up trumps: Marriage 1849 ISAAC, John ROBERTS, Ruth Llangadwaladr, St Cadwaladr Registers at Powys-Welshpool Ref: CL25/1/9 You can obtain this certificate directly from the Supt. Registrar at Welshpool. I would ask them to check their registers for the 1850 entry of Edward to see if the parents' names match -- otherwise, I suppose they may have registered his birth in Farnworth -- worth checking. The Lancashire BMD website indicates they have not yet completed indexing Farnworth (Subdistrict of Bolton) so you may have to use the GRO Indexes and order directly from the GRO. I checked the 1851 Census for Montgomeryshire and your ISAAC family is not shown (the census was enumerated Sunday, March 30, 1851). You'll need to look for the family in Denbighshire (probably Llangadwaladr) or in Farnworth, LAN, in 1851 - perhaps someone on the other lists will have the 1851 Census or you can sign up for one of the pay-for sites. Once you've obtained the marriage certificate for John ISAAC & Ruth ROBERTS, you can then search for their parents' households in the 1851 & 1841 census and also look for their deaths, monumental inscriptions, etc. I hope this helps. Kind regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Isaac" <brjp.isaac@bigpond.com> To: "POWYS" <POWYS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: [POWYS] John and Ruth Isaac > Dear list, > > Over the past number of years I have been trying to chase up the history > of the Welsh blood that so proudly flows through my veins, > but each time I seem to run into that big brick wall. > > > I am not sure if this is the right list, but anyway will try. > > > This is the family history as I know it. > > > *Great Great Great Grand Father* Edward Isaac*? Nothing known about > Edward Isaac if that is indeed his name. > > * * * * * > > Great Great Grand Father*, John Isaac.* Born Approx, 1823. Born:- > Glyncerrwy, Denbighshire, Wales. > > Great Great Grand Mother*, Ruth Isaac. (Maiden name Ruth Roberts?)* Born > Approx ,1827. Born:-Llangwm, Denbighshire, Wales. > > * * * * * > > Great Grand Father*, Edward Isaac.* Born: 24-January-1851 Born: > Llancadwaladr, Mongomeryshire, Wales. > * > ** * * * ** > > My understanding is that the family moved to Lancashire in England where > *Edward Isaac married to Mary Hamer on 8 July 1871*. > > > I am looking forward to hear of any information regarding my Welsh > background. > > > Grateful thanks for any information. > > > Kind regards, > > > Barry Isaac > > 60 Turners Beach Road, > > Turners Beach, > > Tasmania Australia 7315 > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message