Linda, Since both John JONES and Elizabeth were born prior to the advent of Civil Registration (July 1837), you will not be able to obtain *birth certificates* for them or any of their forebears. You must locate their baptism entries in the parish registers (Bishop's Transcripts microfilmed by the LDS) or chapel registers (often Calvinistic Methodists or Wesleyan Methodists - Wesleyan ministers worked a 'circuit' so their registers cover a wide area, while Calvinistic Methodist registers are extremely detailed and a great find). You need to work backward in time through any/all available documentation, beginning with the marriage certificate and then locating them in the 1851 & 1841 census returns, hopefully with their respective families. There will be no record of them living as a married couple since they married and emigrated between census years. Be aware the many Welsh people did not have a middle name or initial but adopted one upon arrival in the U.S. so don't expect his marriage entry to have the "W". A cursury check of www.northwalesbmd.org.uk marriages, Machynlleth District, 1856, turned up one possibility for John JONES, Machynlleth, Civil Marriage (i.e., took place at the registrar's office), Registers now at Powys-Machynlleth Supt. Reg. Office, Ref. No. MACH/02/59. There are two marries on each page of the register -- these are the other persons listed: ELLIS Elizabeth LEWIS Ellis MORRIS Sarah Suggest you explore the NorthWalesBMD site and try to order their marriage certificate. If you contact the Machynlleth Reg. Office directly, they may be able to easily tell you if the marriage date matches the date you have (assuming it's correct). The marriage certificate will provide you with the residence of each of them at the time of marriage, occupations, ages (sometimes says "Full Age"), father's name & occupation. Kind regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.F. gengenbacher" <genbach@hotmail.com> To: <powys-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: [POWYS] John W. Jones and Elizabeth Pugh Hello, am new to the list. I am researching John W. Jones, born of Humphrie and Sara Jones, who lived near Aberdovey. He was born Sep 25, 1825. On July 24, 1856 John married Elizabeth (Pugh?) who was born Feb. 1829, and lived near Machnylleth. I believe they were married in Machnylleth. In Sept of 1856 they sailed from Liverpool for America, where they spent the rest of their lives in Ohio. I have no official documents, such as birth, death, or marriage certs. I have high hopes of finding these items, however. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Linda Gengenbacher _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message