Dear All Many apologies - I am guilty of not looking at the context at all - but Wow - doesn't genealogy lead us to interesting places - two - well I hesitate to say 'foreign' languages - but I think you get my gist. Thanks for putting us straight John. The reason I posted was that I remembered a post where someone thought they had discovered a previously unknown child in a will - and it looked like the eldest - first in the list - and yes - it was 'videlicet'! Best wishes Anne -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John Ball Sent: 02 March 2008 20:54 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Patronymics Anne Welch <anne.welch@virgin.net> wrote: It ['vz'] is an abbreviation of the Latin 'videlicet' and translates as 'namely' - and specific detail will follow a statement - for example 'my children' - 'namely Tom, Dick and Harry'. =============== Dear Anne, That may be so, but I think in the context of the examples quoted by Lloyd Lewis, 'vz' stands for 'verch' (anglicised spelling of 'ferch') meaning 'daughter (of)'. E.g. from Lloyd's list: Neste vz Richart. (Neste daughter of Richart) Tanglust vz William ap Rees. (Tanglust daughter of William son of Rees) Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message