Hello Lloyd & Listers, Could someone elaborate on this a bit more. What is "vz" ? The examples given were from both the 1500's and the 1700's. When did this practice change to include the husbands surname only? Best Wishes, Carla Message: 3 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:09:56 -0000 From: "Lloyd Lewis" <lloyd.lewis1@virgin.net> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Patronymics To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001401c87c5e$7e66de60$0300a8c0@editor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Anna, Here are a few extracts from the Wills in the Diocese of Brecon listed in the NLW Probate Records pre 1660: Anest vz Ievan David. Clodock 1573 Angharad vz Lello Bedo ap Madock. Llanfihangel Rhydithon 1563 Cicilly vz David William. Llanfaes 1576 Elenor vz David. Bleddfa 1588 Gwenllian vz Howell. Llanganten Widow 1578 Isbell vz Lewis. Glasbury Widow 1587 Johane vz Thomas. St Margarets Widow 1576 Llickey vz John. Crickadarn Widow 1583 Mallt vz Richard. Llanfigan 1582 Neste vz Richart. Penderyn 1581 Tanglust vz William ap Rees. Clodock 1578 As you will note they are listed by first name. Hope this will answer your query. Lloyd Editor, Cronicl Powys www.rootsweb.com/~wlspfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Brueton" <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Patronymics > I apologise for retruning to the subject of patronymics somewhat late, but > I have been away. > > In Bryn Eillis's otherwise excellent account of patronymics, referred to by

Dear Carla It is an abbreviation of the Latin 'videlicet' and translates as 'namely' - and specific detail will follow a statement - for example 'my children' - 'namely Tom, Dick and Harry'. HTH Anne -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of cbodette@wi.rr.com Sent: 02 March 2008 16:52 To: powys@rootsweb.com Cc: powys-request@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] POWYS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 62 Hello Lloyd & Listers, Could someone elaborate on this a bit more. What is "vz" ? The examples given were from both the 1500's and the 1700's. When did this practice change to include the husbands surname only? Best Wishes, Carla Message: 3 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:09:56 -0000 From: "Lloyd Lewis" <lloyd.lewis1@virgin.net> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Patronymics To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001401c87c5e$7e66de60$0300a8c0@editor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Anna, Here are a few extracts from the Wills in the Diocese of Brecon listed in the NLW Probate Records pre 1660: Anest vz Ievan David. Clodock 1573 Angharad vz Lello Bedo ap Madock. Llanfihangel Rhydithon 1563 Cicilly vz David William. Llanfaes 1576 Elenor vz David. Bleddfa 1588 Gwenllian vz Howell. Llanganten Widow 1578 Isbell vz Lewis. Glasbury Widow 1587 Johane vz Thomas. St Margarets Widow 1576 Llickey vz John. Crickadarn Widow 1583 Mallt vz Richard. Llanfigan 1582 Neste vz Richart. Penderyn 1581 Tanglust vz William ap Rees. Clodock 1578 As you will note they are listed by first name. Hope this will answer your query. Lloyd Editor, Cronicl Powys www.rootsweb.com/~wlspfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Brueton" <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Patronymics > I apologise for retruning to the subject of patronymics somewhat late, but > I have been away. > > In Bryn Eillis's otherwise excellent account of patronymics, referred to by =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message