John the 1841 census has a family TIBBOT living at a place called Werny clase in Landinam - he is a farmer (age 53) so it possibly was the name of the farm. Perhaps the Griffiths had moved on from here by 1841. Maybe you could find it on the local tithe map or an early ordnance survey map. Folio Ref is HO107/1436/2 - Sue Newark ========== Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:22:28 +0100 From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY To: "Powys List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Listers, Can anyone suggest where a birth/death place quoted as 'ABERYCLOSE' might be, probably in Llandinam parish, Montgomeryshire? The name is mentioned in some family documents relating to a Griffiths family living in Llandinam in the mid 1830s. It may well be a property/farm rather than a place, but I can't find anything in my gazetteers which even remotely resembles 'Aberyclose'. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ------------------------------ To contact the POWYS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POWYS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POWYS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 274 ************************************* =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Sue Ashton <[email protected]> wrote: the 1841 census has a family TIBBOT living at a place called Werny clase in Landinam - he is a farmer (age 53) so it possibly was the name of the farm. Perhaps the Griffiths had moved on from here by 1841. Maybe you could find it on the local tithe map or an early ordnance survey map. Folio Ref is HO107/1436/2 - Dave Matthews (in Oz) <[email protected]> wrote: Your question about 'Wernyclace' proved a tricky one, but I think I might have found it. If I'm right it's located about a kilometre south-east of the centre of Llandinam between Draintewion and Cobblers Gate and it is shown as 'Upper Claes' on the modern 25k map - grid ref SO 033877. ============= Dear Sue and Dave, Many thanks to you both for your splendid detective work. I follow the logic of Dave's argument, and agree that what was recorded as Wernyclace in the 1835 parish register, was recorded as 'Claie' (1836 OS) became 'Werny-clase' (in 1841 census), 'Wernyclase' (1851 census), 'Upper Clase' (1861 census), 'Clase Upper' (1881 census), 'Waen Las' (1886 OS), 'Clase' (1891 & 1901 censuses) 'Waen Las' (OS up to 1982), 'Upper Claes' (OS 1983 to present) Yes - the new Old-Maps website really is a wonderful resource! The Griffiths family had indeed moved on by 1841. They had children born in Caersws circa 1836 and 1838 and another born in Llanidloes in 1843, although we've been unable to locate them on the 1841 census. Based on data from the 1851 census, in 1841 the family should have consisted of: James Griffiths, age 28-ish (Head), born Llandinam Margaret, 28-ish (Wife), born Llandinam Thomas, 5-ish (Son), born Caersws James, 3-ish (Son), born Caersws plus any other children who died before 1851. Thanks again for your help in identifying 'Wernyclace'. If anyone would like to take up the challenge of finding this Griffiths family in the 1841, we'd be very grateful. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists