You're very welcome John I am always amazed at how people moved between properties in their local area - its almost like a merry go round!  I found this with my relatives in Breconshire. I am always up for a challenge so will look into the Griffiths family and see if I can find anything in 1841. Sue ----- Original Message ---- From: John Ball <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 2 October, 2010 10:49:21 Subject: Re: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Wernyclace' (formerly 'Aberyclose') MGY Dear Sue and Dave, Many thanks to you both for your splendid detective work. I follow the logic of Dave's argument, and agree that what was recorded as Wernyclace in the 1835 parish register, was recorded as 'Claie' (1836 OS) became 'Werny-clase' (in 1841 census), 'Wernyclase' (1851 census), 'Upper Clase' (1861 census), 'Clase Upper' (1881 census), 'Waen Las' (1886 OS), 'Clase' (1891 & 1901 censuses) 'Waen Las' (OS up to 1982), 'Upper Claes' (OS 1983 to present) Yes - the new Old-Maps website really is a wonderful resource! The Griffiths family had indeed moved on by 1841. They had children born in Caersws circa 1836 and 1838 and another born in Llanidloes in 1843, although we've been unable to locate them on the 1841 census. Based on data from the 1851 census, in 1841 the family should have consisted of: James Griffiths, age 28-ish (Head), born Llandinam Margaret, 28-ish (Wife), born Llandinam Thomas, 5-ish (Son), born Caersws James, 3-ish (Son), born Caersws plus any other children who died before 1851. Thanks again for your help in identifying 'Wernyclace'. If anyone would like to take up the challenge of finding this Griffiths family in the 1841, we'd be very grateful. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message