Hi Chris, Thanks for that steer; very much appreciated. I've often found live-in grandsons and sisters-in-law very useful indeed for making holes in brick walls. In this case, though, I can't find any links. My GG grandfather Edward Meredith had two brothers: John b C1807 who married Mary Powell and Thomas b C1820 who married Catherine Price - so no Thomases there. Their father was John Meredith b C1784. He had no brothers, just one sister, so the Meredith who married Elizabeth Thomas's daughter must have come from an earlier branch of the family - there were a lot of Merediths in the area. In 1841 Edwin appears to have been living with his parents Thomas Meredith and Sarah (presumably nee Thomas) at Park Farm in Eskirmaen. In 1851 there are a Thomas and Sarah Meredith living in Trevedid MGY with five children who look as though they could be them. There are slight anomalies in ages, but that was quite common in those days. Looks as though Edwin had been sent off to help his grandmother run the farm. You asked about Elizabeth Thomas's husband. There were no names recorded on censuses before 1841, just population numbers, so they are no help. We know that Elizabeth had daughters Elizabeth (b 1811-16), Sarah (b 1816-21), Mary (b 1816-21), and Jane (b 1824-25). From the IGI records there were christenings in Llanidloes chapels for Mary Thomas 15 Oct 1816 and Sarah Thomas 15 Oct 1818 to parents James Thomas and Elizabeth Lewis. Eskirmaen is closer to Llanidloes than it is to its own parish Llandinam. From the IGI records James and Elizabeth also had daughters Ann b 12 Nov 1814 and Margaret b 2 Mar 1821. The death of a James Thomas is recorded in Newtown registration district, which covers Llandinam, in the Dec quarter of 1838. The pound is worth just a few NZ cents at the moment, so it could be worthwhile to invest in that death certificate for James Thomas - it will give you his address and age and who registered the death, which should tell you if it is the one you are interested in. Correction to something I posted previously. I thought Eskirmaen was a detached township of Llandinam parish in 1841. Further research has shown me that Llandinam parish was actually continuous all the way down to Eskirmaen at that time, so it wasn't detached - just a long way out. Good hunting. Dave in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: stringer To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: [POWYS] regarding Lewis Eskirmain Message for Dave from Oz.Was reading over you e-mail and saw that the name Meredith was mentioned.In the 1851 census Elizabeth Thomas was living at Lodge and there was a Grandson named Edwin Meredith there with her.There may or may not be a connection there but it interested me some what. Chris from NZ