Hello all. This is a repeat request. My Gt Grandmother, Ann Jones, was born in 1835 at Pen Y Gaer, Llanwyddelan. Pen Y Gaer was a rough building consisting of two adjoining cottages (no longer there). Those cottages were just inside the Llanwyddelan township border adjacent to ADFA but they were then attached to the farm, Llwyncoppin (still there), which has an ADFA address. Resident at Llanwyddelan then was the Gittins family and Ann Jones' mother was Ann Gittins, a daughter of the farm. There is a website dedicated to the name Gittins and I have tried to register the Llwyncoppa Gittinses on that site but they don't seem to want to know. Gittins is a name that appears on the 1841 and 1851 census returns for the area quite frequently. I wonder if there are others who are researching this family. Heddwch Mike. Mike Llywelyn Cox [email protected] http://www.ppeyes.org.uk http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com A NSUN (http://www.nsun.org.uk) member A http://www.solnetwork.org.uk member. Family History www.wotashower.co.uk