Hi John There are number of dwellings in Llandinam which come up in censuses called Clase. Also a Cloesfynnon and Cloisybank. No Griffiths in the in the ones I have checked though. Nicola BJ ========== Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:22:28 +0100 From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY To: "Powys List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Listers, Can anyone suggest where a birth/death place quoted as 'ABERYCLOSE' might be, probably in Llandinam parish, Montgomeryshire? The name is mentioned in some family documents relating to a Griffiths family living in Llandinam in the mid 1830s. It may well be a property/farm rather than a place, but I can't find anything in my gazetteers which even remotely resembles 'Aberyclose'. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ------------------------------ To contact the POWYS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POWYS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POWYS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 274 *************************************

Hello List, Thanks to Nicola Bennett-Jones for her suggestions. We've since visited Powys Archives and had a close look at the original entry in the parish burial register for Llandinam (MGY. "Aberyclose" seems to have been a rather poor transcription of the residence of 10-month-old James Griffiths, who was buried at Llandinam on 3 April 1835. The entry in the original register looks to me like "Wernyclace". You can see the original entry on my website at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/placename.gif The relevant entry is circled in red. I'd be glad of Powys Listers' opinions on the place-name - and its possible location. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicola Bennett-Jones" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:00 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY (John Ball) Hi John There are number of dwellings in Llandinam which come up in censuses called Clase. Also a Cloesfynnon and Cloisybank. No Griffiths in the in the ones I have checked though. Nicola BJ ========== Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:22:28 +0100 From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY To: "Powys List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Listers, Can anyone suggest where a birth/death place quoted as 'ABERYCLOSE' might be, probably in Llandinam parish, Montgomeryshire? The name is mentioned in some family documents relating to a Griffiths family living in Llandinam in the mid 1830s. It may well be a property/farm rather than a place, but I can't find anything in my gazetteers which even remotely resembles 'Aberyclose'. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ------------------------------ To contact the POWYS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POWYS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POWYS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 274 ************************************* =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Your question about 'Wernyclace' proved a tricky one, but I think I might have found it. If I'm right it's located about a kilometre south-east of the centre of Llandinam between Draintewion and Cobblers Gate and it is shown as 'Upper Claes' on the modern 25k map - grid ref SO 033877. As Sue pointed out, in 1841 David Tibbot was living at 'Werny-clase' which, from the surrounding properties, was somewhere near Cobblers Gate east of Llandinam village. By 1851 David Tibbot had moved to Green lane, also near Cobblers Gate, and John Richards, farmer of 35 acres, was living at 'Wernyclase'. Adjacent properties in 1851 are: Draintiwon, Lower Draintiwon, Hill, Hill, and Old Barn The 1861 census records John Richards at 'Upper Clase' farm - now 20 acres. Adjacent properties are Old Barn, Claes, Draintewin Lower Farm and Draintewin Upper Farm. Clase and Draentiwon are listed on the 1871 census, but the other farms around there appear to have been unoccupied. In 1881 the property is 'Clase Upper' and Edward Humphreys is farming 30 acres. In 1891 and 1901 he was still there, but the property is recorded as simply 'Clase'. The 1836 OS first series map showed the property now called 'Upper Claes' as 'Claie'. The 1886 1:2500 map of Montgomeryshire (isn't Old Maps wonderful now!) records the name as 'Waen Las' and OS continued using that name until 1983 when it changed to 'Upper Claes'. Regards Dave in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ball To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY Hello List, Thanks to Nicola Bennett-Jones for her suggestions. We've since visited Powys Archives and had a close look at the original entry in the parish burial register for Llandinam (MGY. "Aberyclose" seems to have been a rather poor transcription of the residence of 10-month-old James Griffiths, who was buried at Llandinam on 3 April 1835. The entry in the original register looks to me like "Wernyclace". You can see the original entry on my website at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/placename.gif The relevant entry is circled in red. I'd be glad of Powys Listers' opinions on the place-name - and its possible location. Kind regards, John