Happy New Year to all listers. The Christmas holiday has given me a chance to tidy up a few odds and ends and to review the still open questions that I have unanswered in my Jones Family history. I would be most grateful for your indulgence in trying to answer one or two questions about my first gap in knowledge. Working backward in time my first missing info occurs for my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Jones. I know quite a lot about him already thanks to his son, William Peter Jones, my Great Grandfather's obituary in 1931. This came from two local newspapers though as my ancestors cut the pages out, I'm unable to ascertain which papers. I also have some of the census information from 1851 and 1881 2 years after his death on 2nd June 1878. These show some of his movements, though I have been unable to locate him in 1841. What follows seems to suggest he and his family were then living at Pynt yr Afon, though I have been unable to find it in the census. So my first question is can anyone advise me on Thomas' home in the 1841 Census to confirm or deny his living at Pynt yr Afon and it's whereabouts? What my own research so far has established is as follows: Thomas Jones was born at Ystrad Fawr in the township of Tirymynech, Llanbryn-Mair where his fore fathers had farmed for several generations. He was the eldest of 10 children of Ellis Jones and Sarah Peters of Ystrad Fawr. After Thomas' marriage in 1828, he and his wife Mary appear initially to have lived and worked with his parents at their farm at Ystrad Fawr and their eldest child, Anne, was born there in 1829. It is believed that they may have moved to farm at Derlwyn Farm, a mile NW of Carno in the sub- registration district of Llanwnog and in the parish of Llanllugan. Here their second child Ellis was born in 1834. The deeds of Derlwyn dated Oct. 20, 1836 give the owners as: 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow, Margaret Lewis of Llandinam, same co., widow and John Owens of Newtown, same co., gent'. The mortgage documents on the property held at NLW shows: 'the farmland, tithes, hereditaments and premises of Derlwyn, at that time having recently been occupied by Hugh Richards, but now let to Thomas Jones and his father Ellis Jones at rent of £80 p.a.'. Confusingly, on Oct. 23, 1836 the deed shows the lease in the names of 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow and Thomas Jones of Pynt yr Afon, Carno, farmer; Ellis Jones of Ystrad- Fawr, Llanbryn-mair, farmer'. The lease is for '7 years of m. or tmt or farmhouse of Derlwyn, p. Carno, now occupied by Hugh Richards, reserving timber, trees, access and planting with compensation. Rent £80 p.a. and £4 for each acre of `old meadow' that Thomas might plough up or till'. The 1851 census shows that the family was resident at Derlwyn in 1849 when their youngest son Evan was born. However, Thomas and his further enlarged family were now shown in 1851 living at Fron Green in the parish of Llanllugan. He was aged 46, with Mary 42, and now with five sons and 3 daughters. There was also an agricultural labourer, Joseph Morris, a widower aged 30, born in Carno and a farm servant, Edward Ashton, aged 22 also born in Carno. Examination of the 1881 census shows a last child born to Thomas and Mary named Mary and born at Fron Green in 1852. Thomas and his family moved to Neuaddfraith, between Newtown and Abermule, sometime during the late 1850s but later moved again to farm the 370 acre Penarth farm near Newtown with his eldest son Ellis. Thomas died in 1878 at Penarth possibly in a house called Valindri, the source of this being his son Peter's obituary in the local newspaper. the latter being somewhat confusing in light of his will. In this will, written on the 2nd April 1878 and proved at Shrewsbury on 22 June 1878 by Mary, his wife and Ellis his son, Thomas was recorded as a farmer of Penarth. In it he bequeathed to his daughter, Ann, the wife of Evan Morgans of Pantglas, Llanbryn-mair the sum of £20. To his daughter Jane, the wife of Nathaniel Owens of Moelddnwyd, Llanfihangel the sum of £50. To his daughter Mary the sum of £200. All the rest of his estate he bequeathed to his wife Mary and his son Ellis jointly and they were appointed joint executors. Despite being a busy farmer, Thomas found time to be Deacon of the English Congregational Chapel in Newtown for 40 years. There are photos on line of this chapel in Newtown though, since it was built four years before he died, it is likely that another chapel was on or near the site. This is likely the chapel he attended for so many years. The above information came from the 1851 and 1881 census and his son, W P Jones' obituaries in local newspapers. Details of Thomas' death came from the family sarcophagus at St David's Parish Church yard in Newtown as did his wife's and their children Sarah and Ellis. So finally, he would appear to have been a fairly prominent man in the area for many years if one can judge anything from the family sarcophagus outside the West door at St David's Church. Hence I would have expected that I might find an obituary. Can anyone advise on where I might expect to find such a thing if it exists? I hope I haven't bored folks to death with my questions and would appreciate help or advice. Kind regards David Stick

David, I have sent you a copy of the 1841 census which I hope is waht you are looking for. Thomas b 1806 with Mary b 1811 and 5 children. The first child is Ann and second is Elis. I do hope this is correct and you can now knock down another wall. They are living in Carno. Yours. Ann. --- On Sat, 8/1/11, David Stick <davidstick[email protected]> wrote: From: David Stick <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Needing a little help and/or advice To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 12:55 Happy New Year to all listers. The Christmas holiday has given me a chance to tidy up a few odds and ends and to review the still open questions that I have unanswered in my Jones Family history. I would be most grateful for your indulgence in trying to answer one or two questions about my first gap in knowledge. Working backward in time my first missing info occurs for my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Jones. I know quite a lot about him already thanks to his son, William Peter Jones, my Great Grandfather's obituary in 1931. This came from two local newspapers though as my ancestors cut the pages out, I'm unable to ascertain which papers. I also have some of the census information from 1851 and 1881 2 years after his death on 2nd June 1878. These show some of his movements, though I  have been unable to locate him in 1841. What follows seems to suggest he and his family were then living at Pynt yr Afon, though I have been unable to find it in the census. So my first question is can anyone advise me on Thomas' home in the 1841 Census to confirm or deny his living at Pynt yr Afon and it's whereabouts? What my own research so far has established is as follows: Thomas Jones was born at Ystrad Fawr in the township of Tirymynech, Llanbryn-Mair where his fore fathers had farmed for several generations. He was the eldest of 10 children of Ellis Jones and Sarah Peters of Ystrad Fawr. After Thomas' marriage in 1828, he and his wife Mary appear initially to have lived and worked with his parents at their farm at Ystrad Fawr and their eldest child, Anne, was born there in 1829. It is believed that they may have moved to farm at Derlwyn Farm, a mile NW of Carno in the sub- registration district of Llanwnog and in the parish of Llanllugan. Here their second child Ellis was born in 1834. The deeds of Derlwyn dated  Oct. 20, 1836 give the owners as: 'Mary Jones of Gelly,  Llanfair, co. Mont., widow,  Margaret Lewis of Llandinam, same co., widow and John Owens of Newtown, same co., gent'. The mortgage documents on the property held at NLW shows: 'the farmland, tithes, hereditaments and premises of Derlwyn, at that time having  recently been occupied by Hugh Richards, but now let to Thomas Jones and his father Ellis Jones at rent of £80 p.a.'. Confusingly, on  Oct. 23, 1836 the deed shows the lease in the names of 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow and Thomas Jones of Pynt yr Afon,  Carno, farmer; Ellis Jones of Ystrad- Fawr,  Llanbryn-mair, farmer'. The lease is for '7 years of m. or tmt or farmhouse of Derlwyn, p. Carno, now occupied by Hugh Richards, reserving timber, trees, access and planting with compensation. Rent £80 p.a. and £4 for each acre of `old meadow' that Thomas might plough up or till'. The 1851 census shows that the family was resident at Derlwyn in 1849 when their youngest son Evan was born. However, Thomas and his further enlarged family were now shown in 1851 living at Fron Green in the parish of Llanllugan. He was aged 46, with Mary 42, and now with five sons and 3 daughters. There was also an agricultural labourer, Joseph Morris, a widower aged 30, born in Carno and a farm servant, Edward Ashton, aged 22 also born in Carno. Examination of the 1881 census shows a last child born to Thomas and Mary named Mary and born at Fron Green in 1852. Thomas and his family moved to Neuaddfraith, between Newtown and Abermule, sometime during the late 1850s but later moved again to farm the 370 acre Penarth farm near Newtown with his eldest son Ellis. Thomas died in 1878 at Penarth possibly in a house called Valindri, the source of this being his son Peter's obituary in the local newspaper. the latter being somewhat confusing in light of his will. In this will, written on the 2nd April 1878 and proved at Shrewsbury on 22 June 1878 by Mary, his wife and Ellis his son, Thomas was recorded as a farmer of Penarth. In it he bequeathed to his daughter, Ann, the wife of Evan Morgans of Pantglas, Llanbryn-mair the sum of £20. To his daughter Jane, the wife of Nathaniel Owens of Moelddnwyd, Llanfihangel the sum of £50. To his daughter Mary the sum of £200. All the rest of his estate he bequeathed to his wife Mary and his son Ellis jointly and they were appointed joint executors. Despite being a busy farmer, Thomas found time to be Deacon of the English Congregational Chapel in Newtown for 40 years. There are photos on line of this chapel in Newtown though, since it was built four years before he died, it is likely that another chapel was on or near the site. This is likely the chapel he attended for so many years. The above information came from the 1851 and 1881 census and his son, W P Jones' obituaries in local newspapers. Details of Thomas' death came from the family sarcophagus at St David's Parish Church yard in Newtown as did his wife's and their children Sarah and Ellis. So finally, he would appear to have been a fairly prominent man in the area for many years if one can judge anything from the family sarcophagus outside the West door at St David's Church. Hence I would have expected that I might find an obituary. Can anyone advise on where I might expect to find such a thing if it exists? I hope I haven't bored folks to death with my questions and would appreciate help or advice. Kind regards David Stick =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ann, that's the family now found in 1841. Now I need to find them in 1861 and then where to look for an obituary and the wall is horizontal!!! Wonderful stuff this Powys List isn't it. If it hadn't been for an old lister, Julie Preston all of 12 years or so ago I'd probably still be floundering around. As it is the discovery of Thomas and his ancestors led me to a wonderful discovery that has taken me time travelling back to the Dark Ages! Thanks again Ann David On 8 Jan 2011, at 16:51, ann bryan wrote: > David, I have sent you a copy of the 1841 census which I hope is waht you are looking for. > Thomas b 1806 with Mary b 1811 and 5 children. The first child is Ann and second is Elis. > I do hope this is correct and you can now knock down another wall. > They are living in Carno. > Yours. > Ann. > > --- On Sat, 8/1/11, David Stick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: David Stick <[email protected]> > Subject: [POWYS] Needing a little help and/or advice > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 12:55 > > > Happy New Year to all listers. > > The Christmas holiday has given me a chance to tidy up a few odds and ends and to review the still open questions that I have unanswered in my Jones Family history. I would be most grateful for your indulgence in trying to answer one or two questions about my first gap in knowledge. > > Working backward in time my first missing info occurs for my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Jones. I know quite a lot about him already thanks to his son, William Peter Jones, my Great Grandfather's obituary in 1931. This came from two local newspapers though as my ancestors cut the pages out, I'm unable to ascertain which papers. I also have some of the census information from 1851 and 1881 2 years after his death on 2nd June 1878. These show some of his movements, though I have been unable to locate him in 1841. What follows seems to suggest he and his family were then living at Pynt yr Afon, though I have been unable to find it in the census. So my first question is can anyone advise me on Thomas' home in the 1841 Census to confirm or deny his living at Pynt yr Afon and it's whereabouts? > > What my own research so far has established is as follows: > > Thomas Jones was born at Ystrad Fawr in the township of Tirymynech, Llanbryn-Mair where his fore fathers had farmed for several generations. He was the eldest of 10 children of Ellis Jones and Sarah Peters of Ystrad Fawr. After Thomas' marriage in 1828, he and his wife Mary appear initially to have lived and worked with his parents at their farm at Ystrad Fawr and their eldest child, Anne, was born there in 1829. It is believed that they may have moved to farm at Derlwyn Farm, a mile NW of Carno in the sub- registration district of Llanwnog and in the parish of Llanllugan. Here their second child Ellis was born in 1834. > The deeds of Derlwyn dated Oct. 20, 1836 give the owners as: 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow, Margaret Lewis of Llandinam, same co., widow and John Owens of Newtown, same co., gent'. The mortgage documents on the property held at NLW shows: 'the farmland, tithes, hereditaments and premises of Derlwyn, at that time having recently been occupied by Hugh Richards, but now let to Thomas Jones and his father Ellis Jones at rent of £80 p.a.'. > Confusingly, on Oct. 23, 1836 the deed shows the lease in the names of 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow and Thomas Jones of Pynt yr Afon, Carno, farmer; Ellis Jones of Ystrad- Fawr, Llanbryn-mair, farmer'. The lease is for '7 years of m. or tmt or farmhouse of Derlwyn, p. Carno, now occupied by Hugh Richards, reserving timber, trees, access and planting with compensation. Rent £80 p.a. and £4 for each acre of `old meadow' that Thomas might plough up or till'. > The 1851 census shows that the family was resident at Derlwyn in 1849 when their youngest son Evan was born. However, Thomas and his further enlarged family were now shown in 1851 living at Fron Green in the parish of Llanllugan. He was aged 46, with Mary 42, and now with five sons and 3 daughters. There was also an agricultural labourer, Joseph Morris, a widower aged 30, born in Carno and a farm servant, Edward Ashton, aged 22 also born in Carno. Examination of the 1881 census shows a last child born to Thomas and Mary named Mary and born at Fron Green in 1852. > Thomas and his family moved to Neuaddfraith, between Newtown and Abermule, sometime during the late 1850s but later moved again to farm the 370 acre Penarth farm near Newtown with his eldest son Ellis. Thomas died in 1878 at Penarth possibly in a house called Valindri, the source of this being his son Peter's obituary in the local newspaper. the latter being somewhat confusing in light of his will. In this will, written on the 2nd April 1878 and proved at Shrewsbury on 22 June 1878 by Mary, his wife and Ellis his son, Thomas was recorded as a farmer of Penarth. In it he bequeathed to his daughter, Ann, the wife of Evan Morgans of Pantglas, Llanbryn-mair the sum of £20. To his daughter Jane, the wife of Nathaniel Owens of Moelddnwyd, Llanfihangel the sum of £50. To his daughter Mary the sum of £200. All the rest of his estate he bequeathed to his wife Mary and his son Ellis jointly and they were appointed joint executors. > Despite being a busy farmer, Thomas found time to be Deacon of the English Congregational Chapel in Newtown for 40 years. There are photos on line of this chapel in Newtown though, since it was built four years before he died, it is likely that another chapel was on or near the site. This is likely the chapel he attended for so many years. > The above information came from the 1851 and 1881 census and his son, W P Jones' obituaries in local newspapers. Details of Thomas' death came from the family sarcophagus at St David's Parish Church yard in Newtown as did his wife's and their children Sarah and Ellis. > > So finally, he would appear to have been a fairly prominent man in the area for many years if one can judge anything from the family sarcophagus outside the West door at St David's Church. Hence I would have expected that I might find an obituary. Can anyone advise on where I might expect to find such a thing if it exists? > > I hope I haven't bored folks to death with my questions and would appreciate help or advice. > Kind regards > David Stick > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message