Hi Marilyn "Edwin Poole describes that, originally, around 1800, Brynmawr was little more than a collection of shepherd's huts, the Bryn Farm . . . and the Prince of Wales Inn. He states that the locality where Brynmawr, meaning Big Hill or Big Mountain, is now situated was anciently known as Wain-elygan ('Willowtree common'), which name was certainly in use locally c.1810-12 in the form Waunyrlychan. However, Edwin Poole also refers to the spelling Gwain-yr-Helygan, which he translates as 'Field of Willows', but this could also be read as 'Sheath of Willows'. The 1st edition of the Ordnance Survey 6" map surveyed in 1877-9 and published in 1891 carries the spelling Gwaun-helygen ('Willow Moor'). The name is said to have derived from a parcel of land running parallel with the county boundary between Brecknockshire and Monmouthshire, known colloquially as the Winches . . . on a plan of Llwyn-y-pwll Farm, which was situated a short distance east of Brynmawr, on the southern flank at the head of the Clydach Gorge, Waun yr Helicon is depicted as land in Breconshire between the coal yard and the county boundary." - EXTRACT from: 'Travelling Through Time: a prelude to Exploring The Caves of Llangattock Mountain' by Clive Gardener (in preparation). On the 1st edition 6" map the place where the name Gwaun-helygen is shown can be seen approximately halfway round the final curve on the Merthyr, Tredegar & Abergavenny Railway as it approached Brynmawr Station. The name spans both sides of the railway, but an associated building is located immediately below the railway. I hope this helps! Best regards Clive Gardener www.secret-bottletop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watson Family" <watsonb@iinet.com.au> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] re "WAUNHELYGEN" Llanelly Breconshire > At 07:34 PM 6/10/2012, you wrote: >>The only Waunhelygen I can find is a modern address just north of the A465 >>Road at Garnlydan (which was in the Parish of Llanelly) > > > Well this was back in 1835 so maybe its one of those places or farms that > has just disappeared. > many thanks for your help > Cheers Marilyn > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Clive, That is great. Many thanks for that. I have noticed that a lot of the places seem unsure whether they are in Brecon or Monmouth. One relation had herself down as born at Mon Nantyglo which I always thought was Brec so looks like either is okay. I'll have to check out those ordinance maps in future With appreciation cheers Marilyn At 01:52 AM 7/10/2012, you wrote: >Hi Marilyn > >"Edwin Poole describes that, originally, around 1800, Brynmawr was little >more than a collection of shepherd's huts, the Bryn Farm . . . and the >Prince of Wales Inn. He states that the locality where Brynmawr, meaning Big >Hill or Big Mountain, is now situated was anciently known as Wain-elygan >('Willowtree common'), which name was certainly in use locally c.1810-12 in >the form Waunyrlychan. However, Edwin Poole also refers to the spelling >Gwain-yr-Helygan, which he translates as 'Field of Willows', but this could >also be read as 'Sheath of Willows'. > >The 1st edition of the Ordnance Survey 6" map surveyed in 1877-9 and >published in 1891 carries the spelling Gwaun-helygen ('Willow Moor'). The >name is said to have derived from a parcel of land running parallel with the >county boundary between Brecknockshire and Monmouthshire, known colloquially >as the Winches . . . on a plan of Llwyn-y-pwll Farm, which was situated a >short distance east of Brynmawr, on the southern flank at the head of the >Clydach Gorge, Waun yr Helicon is depicted as land in Breconshire between >the coal yard and the county boundary." - EXTRACT from: 'Travelling Through >Time: a prelude to Exploring The Caves of Llangattock Mountain' by Clive >Gardener (in preparation). > >On the 1st edition 6" map the place where the name Gwaun-helygen is shown >can be seen approximately halfway round the final curve on the Merthyr, >Tredegar & Abergavenny Railway as it approached Brynmawr Station. The name >spans both sides of the railway, but an associated building is located >immediately below the railway. > >I hope this helps! > >Best regards > >Clive Gardener >www.secret-bottletop.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Watson Family" <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >To: <powys@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:38 PM >Subject: Re: [POWYS] re "WAUNHELYGEN" Llanelly Breconshire > > > > At 07:34 PM 6/10/2012, you wrote: > >>The only Waunhelygen I can find is a modern address just north of the A465 > >>Road at Garnlydan (which was in the Parish of Llanelly) > > > > > > Well this was back in 1835 so maybe its one of those places or farms that > > has just disappeared. > > many thanks for your help > > Cheers Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > =================== > > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > >=================== >Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message