Thank you so much for your response Sue Indeed Thomas HAVARD who mar. Margaret LLOYD was born in Wales. According to the census data I have it was Glascwm in Radnorshire. I have been unable to find a birth or bap. for him. Breconshire 1841 Llanigon Pantyfithel HAVARD Thomas, 36, ag lab, N HAVARD Margaret, 37, , N HAVARD Ruth, 10, , N HAVARD James, 6, , N HAVARD Margaret, 3, , N, (N= not born in county ) Breconshire 1851 Llanigon Penycomyn HAVARD Thomas, h, m, 42, labourer, RAD Glascwm HAVARD Margaret, w, m, 43,, HEF Huntington HAVARD Thomas, s,, 8,, BRE Llanigon HAVARD Joseph, s,, 5,, BRE Hay 1871 census LLANGWADDEN MILL LLANIGAN Parish Civil parish: Hay Breconshire Thomas Havard Age: 65 birth year: abt 1806 Head born: Glascwm, Margaret Havard Age: 64 birth year: abt 1807 Wife born: Huntington, Herefordshire Joseph Havard Age: 25 birth year: abt 1846 Son born: Hay, Breconshire It would be wonderful to find Thomas' parents so as to go back another generation. Thank you again for your help. Teena