Evening List, A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have made available here: http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? David

Hello David, ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hopkins" <david@semlabs.co.uk> To: <Powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: [POWYS] Shropshire-Montgomeryshire Private Census > The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and > Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have > made available here: > > http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census Thanks for this. > I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone > have any idea what 'carden no land' garden no land? > '1/w mouth C.C.' means? or 1/ pr month? (one shilling per month?) Not sure about C C Regards Peter

David Hopkins wrote: A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? =========== Dear David, What a terrific find! If I found one of my ancestors was listed I'd be overjoyed. Thank you for making these available to us. I think 'carden no land' is 'Garden, no land'; i.e. the person has a garden but no other land. See the bottom of column 3 on page 1. There are references elsewhere to 'garden good'. '1/w mouth C.C.' I think is a reference to an amount (1/-) paid per (pr) month to some kind of club. The writer uses B.C. as the abbreviation for Benefit Club, so I'd suggest C.C. refers to something similar. Other payments are sometimes expressed as '1/pr week'. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

That looks interesting? Was this all of Shropshire and Montgomeryshire or particular parts? When was this census taken? David -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Ball Sent: 03 December 2012 19:28 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Shropshire-Montgomeryshire Private Census David Hopkins wrote: A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? =========== Dear David, What a terrific find! If I found one of my ancestors was listed I'd be overjoyed. Thank you for making these available to us. I think 'carden no land' is 'Garden, no land'; i.e. the person has a garden but no other land. See the bottom of column 3 on page 1. There are references elsewhere to 'garden good'. '1/w mouth C.C.' I think is a reference to an amount (1/-) paid per (pr) month to some kind of club. The writer uses B.C. as the abbreviation for Benefit Club, so I'd suggest C.C. refers to something similar. Other payments are sometimes expressed as '1/pr week'. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello David, Thank you for that insight into rural life near industrial activity. Could  the document be the handover notes of a  retiring collector of savings and in some cases also rents - a briefing for his successor? Regards Mary ________________________________ From: David Hopkins <david@semlabs.co.uk> To: Powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012, 18:24 Subject: [POWYS] Shropshire-Montgomeryshire Private Census Evening List, A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have made available here: http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? David =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message