On 08/06/2012, at 5:00 PM, powys-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Thank you very much John and Shirley for all the information on ffrith- ffrydd Lyn Brown in Griffith > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message > to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your > reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it > coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: John Evans (Nicola BJ) > 2. Where is ffrith near Berriew (Lyn Brown) > 3. Re: BRE (Sue) > 4. Re: BRE (William Williams) > 5. Re: Where is ffrith near Berriew (Shirley W. Vinall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:12:28 +0100 > From: "Nicola BJ" <nicolabj@waitrose.com> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] John Evans > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000801cd4496$0be6ca30$23b45e90$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear John > I think John Ball is very likely correct in suggesting the > connection with > Llynnon Windmill. The windmill belonged to Llynnon Hall, usually > just called > Llynnon, often without giving the parish. It is Llanddeusant, > Anglesey. > > It might be worth checking Griffiths Pedigrees for Llynnon at the > dates you > are interested in (J. E Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and > Caernarvonshire > Families, 1914). I know it includes Llynnon at a slightly later > date, but > that is a Jones family. The first Jones to inhabit Llynnon was > Herbert Jones > (Herbert Jones, 1st of Llynon. Served in India etc. High Sheriff > Anglesey > 1765. R.N. Surgeon) who bought it in the mid 1700s - I remember that > Griffiths Pedigrees mentions the purchase, but I do not remember if > it names > the seller. Anglesey Archive Office will certainly have information > about > Llynnon - it was an important property. > > Incidentally, the topic CAN just creep in as a Powys Topic. Herbert > Jones, > above, left the property to his nephew Capt Herbert Jones. This Capt > Herbert > Jones was a grandson of Rev Edward Bennett born in Trefeglwys in > 1768 and > died in Bangor in 1754 or 1755. Listers who have examined the list > of voters > in Montgomeryshire in 1774 may have noticed a Humphrey Jones of > Llanfaethlu, > Anglesey, among them. He was the son in law of Rev Edward Bennett > and he > inherited Montgomeryshire property on marriage. > Nicola BJ > > -----Original Message----- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:36:49 +0100 > From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2011.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] John Evans > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <533C596CCC72401C81B7A010D2CBD392@JohnsPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear John, > > The Powys List deals mainly with the old mid-Wales counties of > Breconshire, > Montgomeryshire and Radnorshire. > You would be better advised to subscribe to a mailing list which > deals with > the old north Wales county of Caernarfonshire, such as the WLS- > Gwynedd list. > > Send your subscribe message to WLS-Gwynedd-request@rootsweb.com > > You make a reference to "Lynnon County", but there is no such county > anywhere in Wales. What is the source of your information about the > birthplace of John Evans? > A quick Google search reveals the existence of Lynnon Windmill at > Llanddeusant on the Isle of Anglesey in North Wales. This may give > you a > clue to John Evans's birthplace. On the other hand, Lynnon could be a > corrupted spelling of a Welsh place name beginning with LL..., of > which > there are many hundreds. > > I suggest you pose your question on the Gwynedd List. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk > Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ > > Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society > http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JOHN JAYNES > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:02 PM > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] John Evans > > I'm looking for any information on the ancestry of John Evans. > Currently > available information indicates he was born August 1738 at Caernarvon, > Lynnon County, North Wales, the second son with an older brother > William > Evans, Esquire. On 29 May 1756 he was commissioned a Lieutenant in > the 60th > Regt of Foot subsequently participating in the 7 year war (aka > French and > Indian war), then settling in America. > Thanks in advance, > John > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:00:38 +1000 > From: Lyn Brown <lynebrown@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [POWYS] Where is ffrith near Berriew > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <D428EF90-4BAF-4EFB-BF37-1C08D6849CBD@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hello, > I am hoping someone may be able to tell me where ffrith/Ffrith is near > Berriew please. > It seems that my Edward Owen may have lived there in 1756 - 1781 era > I have 1:25.00 scale maps of the area. > > Just hoping. > Thanks, > Lyn Brown in Griffith > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:04:28 +0100 > From: "Sue" <sue.cartref@virgin.net> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01AF4FB65C704B31BB38328B202C62FF@your447023ae6b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > > I don't know whether it helps you but there are several Vaughans > buried in > St. Bilo's Church Llanfilo, Brecnockshire and I believe there were a > number > of Vaughans around the area. Perhaps it is worth a try. > > Best wishes, > > Sue in Suffolk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:06:36 +0100 > From: William Williams <williamw362_6@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <SNT101-DS183E9EBCE901FB17E738EE97F30@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Many thanks, Sue !!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:04 PM > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE > > Hi, > > I don't know whether it helps you but there are several Vaughans > buried in > St. Bilo's Church Llanfilo, Brecnockshire and I believe there were a > number > of Vaughans around the area. Perhaps it is worth a try. > > Best wishes, > > Sue in Suffolk > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:09:11 +0000 > From: "Shirley W. Vinall" <s.w.vinall@reading.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Where is ffrith near Berriew > To: "powys@rootsweb.com" <powys@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <8EB84996B2919A4A96AD647F3C30415D4F5CEFDA@vime-mbx5.rdg.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The information on the Genuki site may help - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Berriew/Gaz1868.html > > 'Ffrith' is a variant spelling of 'ffridd', which means mountain > pasture of sheepwalk. > > All the best > Shirley > > ________________________________________ > From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] on > behalf of Lyn Brown [lynebrown@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: 07 June 2012 12:00 > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] Where is ffrith near Berriew > > Hello, > I am hoping someone may be able to tell me where ffrith/Ffrith is near > Berriew please. > It seems that my Edward Owen may have lived there in 1756 - 1781 era > I have 1:25.00 scale maps of the area. > > Just hoping. > Thanks, > Lyn Brown in Griffith > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the POWYS list administrator, send an email to > POWYS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the POWYS mailing list, send an email to POWYS@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of POWYS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 89 > ************************************

Hi John I use gmail - the Powys messages appear to be coming through fine (I've just checked my spam folder, there's none in there). I suggest the concerned lister opens each of the Powys messages in the spam folder, clicks onto "not spam". i.e. trains their account. I don't think there's a lot you can do from your end. Alison On 8 June 2012 14:51, John Ball <john@jlb2011.co.uk> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > One of our subscribers, who uses a Gmail address, tells me that over the > last few days some Powys list messages have been trapped by her Gmail spam > filter. > She explains that this is despite the fact that the Powys list address is in > her contact list, and she's never clicked "spam" on any suspicious messages > on the List > > Please let me know if you have a Gmail address and have encountered any > similar problems recently. > > Kind regards, > > > John > > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list > > E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk > Personal website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ > Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society > http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, One of our subscribers, who uses a Gmail address, tells me that over the last few days some Powys list messages have been trapped by her Gmail spam filter. She explains that this is despite the fact that the Powys list address is in her contact list, and she's never clicked "spam" on any suspicious messages on the List Please let me know if you have a Gmail address and have encountered any similar problems recently. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/

Dear Lyn, I'm copying your original message and this reply to the Powys List, where you originally posed the question. As Shirley W. Vinall advised you on the Powys List, Ffrith is an Anglicised spelling of Ffridd. There are several topographical features and properties in the parish of Berriew whose names include the word 'Ffridd'. In particular there is a farm called Ffridd at grid reference SJ171032, just off the B4385, about 3 kilometres northwest of Berriew. The Streetmaps website shows the farm on its reproduction of the modern 1:25,000 scale Ordnance Survey map - see http://tinyurl.com/ckxbrw8 Other places nearby include: Pant-y-ffridd Hill, Pant-y-ffridd, Pen-y-ffridd, Ffridd Penthryn, and Little Ffridd. Google Maps shows Ffridd on its satellite map - see http://goo.gl/maps/jVBy You can use Google's StreetView facility to view the farm from ground level. It would also be worth looking at the same area on one of the large scale 19th century maps on the Old Maps website (www.old-maps.co.uk/), using the coordinates 316784 and 303232. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Brown Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:17 AM To: john@jlb2011.co.uk Subject: ffrith Hello John, In 1756, 1757 and 1780 I have an Edward Owen in Berriew baptism registers recorded in ffrith. Is it short for a longer word somewhere near Berriew? I have a 1:25,000 maps to refer to. Thanks. Lyn Brown in Griffith

Hello, I am hoping someone may be able to tell me where ffrith/Ffrith is near Berriew please. It seems that my Edward Owen may have lived there in 1756 - 1781 era I have 1:25.00 scale maps of the area. Just hoping. Thanks, Lyn Brown in Griffith

Many thanks, Sue !!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Sue Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:04 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE Hi, I don't know whether it helps you but there are several Vaughans buried in St. Bilo's Church Llanfilo, Brecnockshire and I believe there were a number of Vaughans around the area. Perhaps it is worth a try. Best wishes, Sue in Suffolk =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I don't know whether it helps you but there are several Vaughans buried in St. Bilo's Church Llanfilo, Brecnockshire and I believe there were a number of Vaughans around the area. Perhaps it is worth a try. Best wishes, Sue in Suffolk

Dear John I think John Ball is very likely correct in suggesting the connection with Llynnon Windmill. The windmill belonged to Llynnon Hall, usually just called Llynnon, often without giving the parish. It is Llanddeusant, Anglesey. It might be worth checking Griffiths Pedigrees for Llynnon at the dates you are interested in (J. E Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvonshire Families, 1914). I know it includes Llynnon at a slightly later date, but that is a Jones family. The first Jones to inhabit Llynnon was Herbert Jones (Herbert Jones, 1st of Llynon. Served in India etc. High Sheriff Anglesey 1765. R.N. Surgeon) who bought it in the mid 1700s - I remember that Griffiths Pedigrees mentions the purchase, but I do not remember if it names the seller. Anglesey Archive Office will certainly have information about Llynnon - it was an important property. Incidentally, the topic CAN just creep in as a Powys Topic. Herbert Jones, above, left the property to his nephew Capt Herbert Jones. This Capt Herbert Jones was a grandson of Rev Edward Bennett born in Trefeglwys in 1768 and died in Bangor in 1754 or 1755. Listers who have examined the list of voters in Montgomeryshire in 1774 may have noticed a Humphrey Jones of Llanfaethlu, Anglesey, among them. He was the son in law of Rev Edward Bennett and he inherited Montgomeryshire property on marriage. Nicola BJ -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:36:49 +0100 From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2011.co.uk> Subject: Re: [POWYS] John Evans To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <533C596CCC72401C81B7A010D2CBD392@JohnsPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear John, The Powys List deals mainly with the old mid-Wales counties of Breconshire, Montgomeryshire and Radnorshire. You would be better advised to subscribe to a mailing list which deals with the old north Wales county of Caernarfonshire, such as the WLS-Gwynedd list. Send your subscribe message to WLS-Gwynedd-request@rootsweb.com You make a reference to "Lynnon County", but there is no such county anywhere in Wales. What is the source of your information about the birthplace of John Evans? A quick Google search reveals the existence of Lynnon Windmill at Llanddeusant on the Isle of Anglesey in North Wales. This may give you a clue to John Evans's birthplace. On the other hand, Lynnon could be a corrupted spelling of a Welsh place name beginning with LL..., of which there are many hundreds. I suggest you pose your question on the Gwynedd List. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists -----Original Message----- From: JOHN JAYNES Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:02 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] John Evans I'm looking for any information on the ancestry of John Evans. Currently available information indicates he was born August 1738 at Caernarvon, Lynnon County, North Wales, the second son with an older brother William Evans, Esquire. On 29 May 1756 he was commissioned a Lieutenant in the 60th Regt of Foot subsequently participating in the 7 year war (aka French and Indian war), then settling in America. Thanks in advance, John

The information on the Genuki site may help - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Berriew/Gaz1868.html 'Ffrith' is a variant spelling of 'ffridd', which means mountain pasture of sheepwalk. All the best Shirley ________________________________________ From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of Lyn Brown [lynebrown@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 07 June 2012 12:00 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Where is ffrith near Berriew Hello, I am hoping someone may be able to tell me where ffrith/Ffrith is near Berriew please. It seems that my Edward Owen may have lived there in 1756 - 1781 era I have 1:25.00 scale maps of the area. Just hoping. Thanks, Lyn Brown in Griffith =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If Lynnon is a corruption, then could this be a reference to the Lleyn/Llyn peninsula which is in the west of the old county of Caernarvonshire. (Llannon or Llanon in Cardiganshire now Ceredigion is another potential - but I suspect this is a red herring as it's really Mid or West Wales rather than North Wales). Best wishes. Martin On 6 June 2012 15:36, John Ball <john@jlb2011.co.uk> wrote: > Dear John, > > The Powys List deals mainly with the old mid-Wales counties of Breconshire, > Montgomeryshire and Radnorshire. > You would be better advised to subscribe to a mailing list which deals with > the old north Wales county of Caernarfonshire, such as the WLS-Gwynedd > list. > Send your subscribe message to WLS-Gwynedd-request@rootsweb.com > > You make a reference to "Lynnon County", but there is no such county > anywhere in Wales. What is the source of your information about the > birthplace of John Evans? > A quick Google search reveals the existence of Lynnon Windmill at > Llanddeusant on the Isle of Anglesey in North Wales. This may give you a > clue to John Evans's birthplace. On the other hand, Lynnon could be a > corrupted spelling of a Welsh place name beginning with LL..., of which > there are many hundreds. > > I suggest you pose your question on the Gwynedd List. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk > Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ > > Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society > http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JOHN JAYNES > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:02 PM > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] John Evans > > I'm looking for any information on the ancestry of John Evans. Currently > available information indicates he was born August 1738 at Caernarvon, > Lynnon County, North Wales, the second son with an older brother William > Evans, Esquire. On 29 May 1756 he was commissioned a Lieutenant in the 60th > Regt of Foot subsequently participating in the 7 year war (aka French and > Indian war), then settling in America. > Thanks in advance, > John > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Martin Hughes BSc(Econ) CPFA FCMI Trem Siriol, 29 Heol y Bryn, Harlech, Gwynedd LL46 2TU Ffon/Tel: 01766 780540 Mob: 0778 7112649 Ebost/Email: martin@martinjhughes. <martinhughes8@gmail.com>co.uk Web: www.martinjhughes.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ *Y Gwasanaeth Arbed Ynni mewn perthynas **-yn arbed costau ynni a thelathrebu i fusnesau* The Energy Saving Service - saving business energy and telecoms costs _

Dear John, The Powys List deals mainly with the old mid-Wales counties of Breconshire, Montgomeryshire and Radnorshire. You would be better advised to subscribe to a mailing list which deals with the old north Wales county of Caernarfonshire, such as the WLS-Gwynedd list. Send your subscribe message to WLS-Gwynedd-request@rootsweb.com You make a reference to "Lynnon County", but there is no such county anywhere in Wales. What is the source of your information about the birthplace of John Evans? A quick Google search reveals the existence of Lynnon Windmill at Llanddeusant on the Isle of Anglesey in North Wales. This may give you a clue to John Evans's birthplace. On the other hand, Lynnon could be a corrupted spelling of a Welsh place name beginning with LL..., of which there are many hundreds. I suggest you pose your question on the Gwynedd List. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists -----Original Message----- From: JOHN JAYNES Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:02 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] John Evans I'm looking for any information on the ancestry of John Evans. Currently available information indicates he was born August 1738 at Caernarvon, Lynnon County, North Wales, the second son with an older brother William Evans, Esquire. On 29 May 1756 he was commissioned a Lieutenant in the 60th Regt of Foot subsequently participating in the 7 year war (aka French and Indian war), then settling in America. Thanks in advance, John =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm looking for any information on the ancestry of John Evans. Currently available information indicates he was born August 1738 at Caernarvon, Lynnon County, North Wales, the second son with an older brother William Evans, Esquire. On 29 May 1756 he was commissioned a Lieutenant in the 60th Regt of Foot subsequently participating in the 7 year war (aka French and Indian war), then settling in America. Thanks in advance, John

Hello Listers, I am trying to find the burial place of William Vaughan, born December 1853, in West Felton, Shropshire. He died in Brecknock in 1919, and is buried there. His occupation was BRICKLAYER. On the 1911 census he is listed as living at 1 Denham Terrace, Llandrindod Wells. We know that his work took him all over the place, which is why he ended up in Brecknock. If anyone is able to tell me where he is, or where I might look, I shall be very grateful. Many thanks William Williams

At 08:56 AM 2/06/2012, denise.downes1@btinternet.com wrote: >Wondering if anyone has any info on pentre pant oswestry shropshire >they could share please >Denise, Pentre Pant is on the B4579 out of Oswestry on the way to >Selattyn - a small hamlet in the 19th century with only a couple of >homes. I can send you an old map off-list if you are interested. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Mary Lou According to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints website, in the 1881 Canadian Census there is the following family: NAME ETHNICITY AGE BIRTHPLACE Alfred Hope English 30 England Mary Hope English 25 England Fredk. M. Hope English 7 Ontario Wm John Hope English 6 Ontario Mary E. Hope English 5 Ontario Alfred G. Hope English 4 Ontario Fanney Hope English 1 Ontario Margret Walter Scottish 70 Scotland Living at: Vespra, Simcoe North, Ontario Alfred Hope was a labourer and his family were all Church of England faith, except Margret Walter who was a widow from Scotland, and Presbyterian. There is only one other Alfred Hope in the same census who was also born in England: NAME ETHNICITY AGE BIRTHPLACE Alfred Hope English 38 England Eliza Hope English 33 Ontario Ada Hope English 9 Ontario Living at: Innisfil, Simcoe South, Ontario. Alfred Hope was a blacksmith and his family were Methodists. You really need to make certain that your grandmother 'Fanny/Fannie' Hope was the 'Fanney Hope' in the first family above and that she was born in 1879/80. Otherwise the second family may have had a daughter Fanny Hope after the time of the 1881 Census. In either case your Alfred Hope does not appear to have been born in 1846 - rather 1850/1 or 1842/3. So, how did you come across 'Hay' as being the place of Alfred's birth? There is a marriage of an Alfred Hope (parents John and Mary Hope) to Mary Ellis on 9th December 1871 at Barrie, Simcoe, Ontario. At the time of the marriage Alfred was stated to have been aged 21 and thus born in 1849/50, which fits in with the first Alfred Hope listed above, who would have been born in 1850/51. However, Mary was supposed to have been aged 17 when married and therefore born in 1853/4, but, from her age given at the time of the 1881 Census, would appear to have been born in 1855/6. This would have made her aged 15 when married. I think the reason you have had difficulty in tracking down Alfred's birth record is that his age may have been incorrectly stated at the time of his marriage and also at the time of the 1881 Canadian Census. Do you have any other records for Alfred which give a different age yet again? This would help with trying to pin down just when and where he was born in England. At present the only contenders for Alfred's birth registration appear to be: District Volume Page DEC 1850 Alfred Wm Maidstone 5 350 Hope SEP 1851 Alfred Hope Northwich 19 226 MAR 1852 Alfred Hope Bolton 8c 240 JUN 1852 Alfred Hope Mkt Harbro' 7a 20 JUN 1852 Alfred Hope Wolverh'ton 6b 358 On first appearances the Northwich (Cheshire) one appears the most likely, but upon consulting the searchable index on the Cheshire BMD website: http://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/community_and_living/register_office/duplicate_certificates.aspx this shows that Alfred Hope was born in 1851 in the Winsford sub-district. Apparently the registers are held at the Cheshire West Register Office, Ref. No.: W1/08/002. But, unfortunately, this Alfred Hope was still resident in the same area, with parents George & Margaret Hope, at the time of the 1871 Census: http://www.bryanspink.talktalk.net/html/1871_wharton_3.html The Alfred Hope born in Bolton had parents Samuel and Jane (nee Fishwick) Hope: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ Market Harborough records are described here: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/market%20harborough.html except there doesn't seem to be a suitable John and Mary Hope marriage having taken place in the Leicestershire, Northampton and Kettering areas. Then there is the Alfred William Hope whose birth was registered in the Maidstone (Kent) district in December 1850. However, there also doesn't appear to have been a suitable marriage for the parents in this area, even though the age does fit. (Registers for the Maidstone district are now held by: The Certificate Office, Kent County Council, 39 Grove Hill Road, Tunbridge Wells, TN1 1EP. e-mail: register.office@kent.gov.uk website: http://extranet3.kent.gov.uk/sp/rois/howto.html Searching via their database produces no results, which suggests that they haven't yet transcribed the records for the whole area.) In preference to the above, there was a marriage of a John Hope and Mary Wilcox on 21st February 1848 at St Peter's Church, Wolverhampton. The couple appear in the 1871 Census, but not with an Alfred Hope. So, the June 1852 Wolverhampton birth may be the correct one: The Register Office, Civic Centre, St Peters Square, Wolverhampton, WV1 1RU e-mail: register.office@wolverhampton.gov.uk website: http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/community_living/life_events/births/registration/copy.htm You could try making an enquiry, explaining the situation that you are having difficulty finding the birth of your ancestor and would they mind checking whether Alfred Hope's parents were John and Mary Hope, first - before charging you for making a copy of the certificate? If the Wolverhampton office can't find Alfred Hope's registration, then some records for the old Wolverhampton district are now kept by the Staffordshire (Newcastle), Staffordshire (Cannock) and Shropshire Registration Offices: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/wolverhampton.html See what happens! Best regards Clive www.secret-bottletop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Gardener" <clive-gardener@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Mary Lou Miller" <munier@straitsarea.com> Cc: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY Hi Mary Lou It sounded from the way you wrote as though you were certain about the information you provided, however, it now appears as if you are not sure? Well, there is a marriage of an Alfred Hope that was registered in the Hay district in 1873: District Volume Page MAR 1873 Alfred Hope Hay 11b 185 m. Elizabeth Gilbert - so you may be right in having doubts! Except, the Alfred Hope born in 1846 doesn't seem to have a corresponding death recorded after 1866, so perhaps your Alfred Hope came back to Hay for a brief visit and got married in the process - if the above marriage is for the same person? But it may not be. In the end, there's actually no substitute for obtaining certificates and cross-checking against censuses and wills, etc., to make sure that you have (or do not have) the right connections! How do you know that your Alfred Hope was born in Hay? Do you have his correct age and year of birth - which you haven't given us? Could he have used the name 'Alfred Hope' as an alias upon arrival in Canada? Unless you start with genealogical information known to be correct, then you're building on sand and all others will be able to do is guess in the dark with you - which is ultimately a waste of everyone's time. I've researched families from the 19th century through to the late 20th century and found living descendants but never anyone who actually knew specific details about their 19th century counterparts. Once I did meet a descendant of a 19th century naval admiral who had a drawer full of his ancestor's correspondence in the hall, but this has only ever happened once in 20 years. Usually, family members have heirlooms from the past but little idea as to the lives of those to whom they once belonged. Knowledge of family members also usually stretches back to those who were alive within living memory of those still alive in the family, but, generally, little further. Best regards Clive www.secret-bottletop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Miller" <munier@straitsarea.com> To: "Clive Gardener" <clive-gardener@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY > Clive: > Thank you so much for your quick response and the info on the Hopes in > Hay. I was aware of the FreeBMD website, and have found it to be a great > help. > I do believe that the Alfred and John Edwin Clark Hopes are part of the > family that I am looking for. However, I am hoping to make contact with > anyone who might have more information about the family, and/or if their > Alfred did indeed emmigrate to Canada in the late 1800s. Additionally, as > I said I would like to be able to furnish more information about the > family's life in the later years in Canada and the US if anyone is > interested.. > > Again, thanks for your help Clive. > > Mary Loou > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clive Gardener" <clive-gardener@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <munier@straitsarea.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [POWYS] For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY > > >> Hi Mary >> >> I don't have any direct knowledge of the Hope family to which you refer, >> perhaps someone else might, but can suggest that you try using the >> FreeBMD >> website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl >> >> If you input the following: >> >> Type: Births >> Districts: Hay >> Surname: Hope >> First name(s): * >> Date range: Sep 1837 - Dec 1870 >> >> And then select the 'Find' button, you should come up with the same list >> that I've been looking at, which includes the following birth: >> >> District Volume Page >> MAR 1846 Alfred Hope Hay 26 335 >> >> This is the only Alfred included during the relevant time period >> available >> on FreeBMD, since his parents' marriage. From the year given, could this >> be >> your Alfred Hope? >> >> If so, then certificates can be ordered here: >> http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp >> The cost per certificate, with postage to a UK address, is £9.25, but >> you'll >> have to check whether there is a supplement for mailing overseas. >> >> There is also another birth which will probably be of interest: >> >> District Volume Page >> MAR 1844 John Edwin Hay 26 324 >> Clarke Hope >> >> I hope this helps! >> >> Best regards >> >> Clive Gardener >> www.secret-bottletop.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2011.co.uk> >> To: "Powys List" <powys@rootsweb.com>; <munier@straitsarea.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:07 AM >> Subject: [POWYS] For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY >> >> >>> Message below forwarded to the Powys List on behalf of Mary Lou Miller, >>> whose address <munier@straitsarea.com> is not yet subscribed to the >>> List. >>> Please send you responses directly to Mary Lou as well as to the List. >>> John Ball >>> List Administrator >>> =============== >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mary Lou Miller >>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:23 PM >>> To: Powys@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY >>> >>> >>> Hi: >>> >>> This is my first entry to your list, and I am going to try very hard to >>> follow the rules. >>> >>> My name is Mary Lou Miller, and I live in Michigan, USA. My >>> grandmother >>> Fanny Hope was the daughter of Alfred and Mary(Ellis)Hope. My research >>> indicates that Alfred was born in Hay, Breconshire, Wales, the son of >>> John >>> and Mary Hope, and that he emmigrated to Canada in 1870. He was married >>> to >>> Mary Ellis in Simcoe County in Ontario in 1871. Eventually, the family >>> moved here to Cheboygan, Michigan. Their daughter, Fannie, was my >>> grandmother. Fannie married Charles Jacob Sammons here, and their >>> daughter >>> Beulah, was my Mother. >>> >>> Going back to Alfred's family, John Hope married Mary Lloyd Meredith in >>> Hay, >>> Breconshire, Wales on August 22, 1836. John's parents were John Edwin >>> Clark >>> Hope and Elizabeth Archer Hope. John and Mary had a large family. I >>> believe there were twelve children born to that union. >>> >>> I have much information on Alfred and Mary Hope and their life in >>> Canada, >>> as >>> well as here in Michigan. Since I have no positive proof of Alfred's >>> place >>> of birth, I am hoping that there will be someone living in Breconshire >>> who >>> might have information to confirm what I believe. I have a picture of >>> Alfred and Mary in the late 1800s that I could send off list if that >>> would >>> help. >>> >>> Additionally, I would be most happy to share the information that I have >>> on >>> the life of the family in Canada and the US, including death >>> information. >>> >>> I look forward to a response. Many Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Mary Lou Miller >>> Michigan, US >>> >>> =================== >>> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message > =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Clive wrote: If so, then certificates can be ordered here: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp The cost per certificate, with postage to a UK address, is £9.25, but you'll have to check whether there is a supplement for mailing overseas. You'll be pleased to know, Mary Lou, that it's still £9.25 even to the far corners of the earth - plus whatever your bank happens to add for currency conversion and overseas transactions. Dave in a far corner of the earth

Hi Mary Lou It sounded from the way you wrote as though you were certain about the information you provided, however, it now appears as if you are not sure? Well, there is a marriage of an Alfred Hope that was registered in the Hay district in 1873: District Volume Page MAR 1873 Alfred Hope Hay 11b 185 m. Elizabeth Gilbert - so you may be right in having doubts! Except, the Alfred Hope born in 1846 doesn't seem to have a corresponding death recorded after 1866, so perhaps your Alfred Hope came back to Hay for a brief visit and got married in the process - if the above marriage is for the same person? But it may not be. In the end, there's actually no substitute for obtaining certificates and cross-checking against censuses and wills, etc., to make sure that you have (or do not have) the right connections! How do you know that your Alfred Hope was born in Hay? Do you have his correct age and year of birth - which you haven't given us? Could he have used the name 'Alfred Hope' as an alias upon arrival in Canada? Unless you start with genealogical information known to be correct, then you're building on sand and all others will be able to do is guess in the dark with you - which is ultimately a waste of everyone's time. I've researched families from the 19th century through to the late 20th century and found living descendants but never anyone who actually knew specific details about their 19th century counterparts. Once I did meet a descendant of a 19th century naval admiral who had a drawer full of his ancestor's correspondence in the hall, but this has only ever happened once in 20 years. Usually, family members have heirlooms from the past but little idea as to the lives of those to whom they once belonged. Knowledge of family members also usually stretches back to those who were alive within living memory of those still alive in the family, but, generally, little further. Best regards Clive www.secret-bottletop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Miller" <munier@straitsarea.com> To: "Clive Gardener" <clive-gardener@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY > Clive: > Thank you so much for your quick response and the info on the Hopes in > Hay. I was aware of the FreeBMD website, and have found it to be a great > help. > I do believe that the Alfred and John Edwin Clark Hopes are part of the > family that I am looking for. However, I am hoping to make contact with > anyone who might have more information about the family, and/or if their > Alfred did indeed emmigrate to Canada in the late 1800s. Additionally, as > I said I would like to be able to furnish more information about the > family's life in the later years in Canada and the US if anyone is > interested.. > > Again, thanks for your help Clive. > > Mary Loou > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clive Gardener" <clive-gardener@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <munier@straitsarea.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [POWYS] For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY > > >> Hi Mary >> >> I don't have any direct knowledge of the Hope family to which you refer, >> perhaps someone else might, but can suggest that you try using the >> FreeBMD >> website: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl >> >> If you input the following: >> >> Type: Births >> Districts: Hay >> Surname: Hope >> First name(s): * >> Date range: Sep 1837 - Dec 1870 >> >> And then select the 'Find' button, you should come up with the same list >> that I've been looking at, which includes the following birth: >> >> District Volume Page >> MAR 1846 Alfred Hope Hay 26 335 >> >> This is the only Alfred included during the relevant time period >> available >> on FreeBMD, since his parents' marriage. From the year given, could this >> be >> your Alfred Hope? >> >> If so, then certificates can be ordered here: >> http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp >> The cost per certificate, with postage to a UK address, is £9.25, but >> you'll >> have to check whether there is a supplement for mailing overseas. >> >> There is also another birth which will probably be of interest: >> >> District Volume Page >> MAR 1844 John Edwin Hay 26 324 >> Clarke Hope >> >> I hope this helps! >> >> Best regards >> >> Clive Gardener >> www.secret-bottletop.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2011.co.uk> >> To: "Powys List" <powys@rootsweb.com>; <munier@straitsarea.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:07 AM >> Subject: [POWYS] For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY >> >> >>> Message below forwarded to the Powys List on behalf of Mary Lou Miller, >>> whose address <munier@straitsarea.com> is not yet subscribed to the >>> List. >>> Please send you responses directly to Mary Lou as well as to the List. >>> John Ball >>> List Administrator >>> =============== >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mary Lou Miller >>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:23 PM >>> To: Powys@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY >>> >>> >>> Hi: >>> >>> This is my first entry to your list, and I am going to try very hard to >>> follow the rules. >>> >>> My name is Mary Lou Miller, and I live in Michigan, USA. My >>> grandmother >>> Fanny Hope was the daughter of Alfred and Mary(Ellis)Hope. My research >>> indicates that Alfred was born in Hay, Breconshire, Wales, the son of >>> John >>> and Mary Hope, and that he emmigrated to Canada in 1870. He was married >>> to >>> Mary Ellis in Simcoe County in Ontario in 1871. Eventually, the family >>> moved here to Cheboygan, Michigan. Their daughter, Fannie, was my >>> grandmother. Fannie married Charles Jacob Sammons here, and their >>> daughter >>> Beulah, was my Mother. >>> >>> Going back to Alfred's family, John Hope married Mary Lloyd Meredith in >>> Hay, >>> Breconshire, Wales on August 22, 1836. John's parents were John Edwin >>> Clark >>> Hope and Elizabeth Archer Hope. John and Mary had a large family. I >>> believe there were twelve children born to that union. >>> >>> I have much information on Alfred and Mary Hope and their life in >>> Canada, >>> as >>> well as here in Michigan. Since I have no positive proof of Alfred's >>> place >>> of birth, I am hoping that there will be someone living in Breconshire >>> who >>> might have information to confirm what I believe. I have a picture of >>> Alfred and Mary in the late 1800s that I could send off list if that >>> would >>> help. >>> >>> Additionally, I would be most happy to share the information that I have >>> on >>> the life of the family in Canada and the US, including death >>> information. >>> >>> I look forward to a response. Many Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Mary Lou Miller >>> Michigan, US >>> >>> =================== >>> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >

One more thing I should add: You probably want to see if you can rule out this Alfred from the 1891 census: Willesden, Middlesex, District 10 2 Preston Place Belton Rd James Harrison, head, m, 51, labourer, born America Fanny do, wife,m, 55, born Ramsey, Hants, Alfred Hope, lodger, m, 44, labourer, born Wales Ann do, lodger, m, 59, born do An Alfred Hope, 44, died in the Dec quarter, 1899, in Fulham registration district. For what it is worth, Fulham is where Alfred's sister Fanny (my ggg aunt) was living in the 1891 and 1911 censuses. Roderick Ward. On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Roderick Ward <rodericktward@gmail.com>wrote: > *You may already have this, but here is the family in the 1851 census: > > Hay, Breconshire, Distrtict 4b > > Bear Street > > John Hope, Head, Mar.,43, Grocer & Baker employ 1 man, born Hay, > Breconshire > Mary Hope, Wife, M. 40, Grocer & Baker’s assistant, born Clirow, > Radnorshire > Elizabeth Hope, Mother, W., 71, Grocer & Baker’s assistant, born Little > Mansel, Herefordshire > George Hope, Son, U, 13, Grocer assistant, born Hay, Breconshire > Mary Hope, Dau, 11, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire > Hannah Hope, Dau, 10, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire > Elizabeth Hope, Dau, 9, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire > Fanny Hope, Dau, 7, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire > John Edwin Clark Hope, Son, 7, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire > Alfred Hope, Son, 5, born Hay, Scholar, Breconshire > Emily Hope, Dau, 3, Scholar, born Hay Breconshire > Edwin Meredith Hope, Son, 2, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire > Joshua Hope, Son, 1, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire > > By coincidence, the Fanny Hope in this family married my 2-great > grandfather’s brother, Joseph Ward. (Coincidence, since it is not the Powys > part of my family.) > > The family also shows up in other censuses, where the father’s name is > given as “John Edwin Hope”. > > Here is John’s mother Elizabeth in the 1841 census: > > Hay, Breconshire, District 4 > > Elizabeth Hope, 60, Ind, not born in county > Frances Hope, 25, Dress Mak., born in county > > Her marriage on the Familysearch site is: > > John Edwin Clerk Hope married Elizabeth Archer in Hay, Breconshire, in 25 > Dec. 1806. > > Sorry if this is just telling stuff you already know. > > Roderick Ward* > > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:07 AM, John Ball <john@jlb2011.co.uk> wrote: > >> Message below forwarded to the Powys List on behalf of Mary Lou Miller, >> whose address <munier@straitsarea.com> is not yet subscribed to the List. >> Please send you responses directly to Mary Lou as well as to the List. >> John Ball >> List Administrator >> =============== >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mary Lou Miller >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:23 PM >> To: Powys@rootsweb.com >> Subject: For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY >> >> >> Hi: >> >> This is my first entry to your list, and I am going to try very hard to >> follow the rules. >> >> My name is Mary Lou Miller, and I live in Michigan, USA. My grandmother >> Fanny Hope was the daughter of Alfred and Mary(Ellis)Hope. My research >> indicates that Alfred was born in Hay, Breconshire, Wales, the son of >> John >> and Mary Hope, and that he emmigrated to Canada in 1870. He was married >> to >> Mary Ellis in Simcoe County in Ontario in 1871. Eventually, the family >> moved here to Cheboygan, Michigan. Their daughter, Fannie, was my >> grandmother. Fannie married Charles Jacob Sammons here, and their >> daughter >> Beulah, was my Mother. >> >> Going back to Alfred's family, John Hope married Mary Lloyd Meredith in >> Hay, >> Breconshire, Wales on August 22, 1836. John's parents were John Edwin >> Clark >> Hope and Elizabeth Archer Hope. John and Mary had a large family. I >> believe there were twelve children born to that union. >> >> I have much information on Alfred and Mary Hope and their life in Canada, >> as >> well as here in Michigan. Since I have no positive proof of Alfred's >> place >> of birth, I am hoping that there will be someone living in Breconshire who >> might have information to confirm what I believe. I have a picture of >> Alfred and Mary in the late 1800s that I could send off list if that would >> help. >> >> Additionally, I would be most happy to share the information that I have >> on >> the life of the family in Canada and the US, including death information. >> >> I look forward to a response. Many Thanks, >> >> >> Mary Lou Miller >> Michigan, US >> >> =================== >> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

*You may already have this, but here is the family in the 1851 census: Hay, Breconshire, Distrtict 4b Bear Street John Hope, Head, Mar.,43, Grocer & Baker employ 1 man, born Hay, Breconshire Mary Hope, Wife, M. 40, Grocer & Baker’s assistant, born Clirow, Radnorshire Elizabeth Hope, Mother, W., 71, Grocer & Baker’s assistant, born Little Mansel, Herefordshire George Hope, Son, U, 13, Grocer assistant, born Hay, Breconshire Mary Hope, Dau, 11, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire Hannah Hope, Dau, 10, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire Elizabeth Hope, Dau, 9, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire Fanny Hope, Dau, 7, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire John Edwin Clark Hope, Son, 7, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire Alfred Hope, Son, 5, born Hay, Scholar, Breconshire Emily Hope, Dau, 3, Scholar, born Hay Breconshire Edwin Meredith Hope, Son, 2, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire Joshua Hope, Son, 1, Scholar, born Hay, Breconshire By coincidence, the Fanny Hope in this family married my 2-great grandfather’s brother, Joseph Ward. (Coincidence, since it is not the Powys part of my family.) The family also shows up in other censuses, where the father’s name is given as “John Edwin Hope”. Here is John’s mother Elizabeth in the 1841 census: Hay, Breconshire, District 4 Elizabeth Hope, 60, Ind, not born in county Frances Hope, 25, Dress Mak., born in county Her marriage on the Familysearch site is: John Edwin Clerk Hope married Elizabeth Archer in Hay, Breconshire, in 25 Dec. 1806. Sorry if this is just telling stuff you already know. Roderick Ward* On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:07 AM, John Ball <john@jlb2011.co.uk> wrote: > Message below forwarded to the Powys List on behalf of Mary Lou Miller, > whose address <munier@straitsarea.com> is not yet subscribed to the List. > Please send you responses directly to Mary Lou as well as to the List. > John Ball > List Administrator > =============== > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Lou Miller > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 6:23 PM > To: Powys@rootsweb.com > Subject: For BRE Listers--HOPE FAMILY > > > Hi: > > This is my first entry to your list, and I am going to try very hard to > follow the rules. > > My name is Mary Lou Miller, and I live in Michigan, USA. My grandmother > Fanny Hope was the daughter of Alfred and Mary(Ellis)Hope. My research > indicates that Alfred was born in Hay, Breconshire, Wales, the son of John > and Mary Hope, and that he emmigrated to Canada in 1870. He was married to > Mary Ellis in Simcoe County in Ontario in 1871. Eventually, the family > moved here to Cheboygan, Michigan. Their daughter, Fannie, was my > grandmother. Fannie married Charles Jacob Sammons here, and their daughter > Beulah, was my Mother. > > Going back to Alfred's family, John Hope married Mary Lloyd Meredith in > Hay, > Breconshire, Wales on August 22, 1836. John's parents were John Edwin > Clark > Hope and Elizabeth Archer Hope. John and Mary had a large family. I > believe there were twelve children born to that union. > > I have much information on Alfred and Mary Hope and their life in Canada, > as > well as here in Michigan. Since I have no positive proof of Alfred's place > of birth, I am hoping that there will be someone living in Breconshire who > might have information to confirm what I believe. I have a picture of > Alfred and Mary in the late 1800s that I could send off list if that would > help. > > Additionally, I would be most happy to share the information that I have on > the life of the family in Canada and the US, including death information. > > I look forward to a response. Many Thanks, > > > Mary Lou Miller > Michigan, US > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Re my request for information re Waindully/Gwaindully, Ystradfellte, and John and Margaret Davies; A reply appeared on the list from Eira Tomlinson (timed 18.04 on 31 May 2012), but there was no message in that reply. I am keen to hear what Eira has to say. Could she please try again.