Thank you Nicola for your very helpful response. I wasn't aware of either the Maldwyn index or the digital microfilms at the National Archives. Interesting that you should mention the Lloyds of Cefnbarrach, as my interest in Lewis Evans is to find out if he was a grandfather of the Margaret Morgan who had married into that family. Roderick On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, <nicolabj@waitrose.com> wrote: > > Hi Roderick I don't know about 1630s wills for Llanwnog. I know that > some > Montgomeryshire wills are found at the Hereford registry, though. Also > the > National Archives hold some wills in categories other than PROB 11, > which is > what is searchable in Documents Online, for example some from the > Commonwealth period. The latter are downloadable in huge files from > their > digital microfilm section. I don't know what other collections there > are, > but I think there are some. My real reason for writing is to draw your > attention to a poem written on Lewis Evans of Plasau Duon by James Dwnn > which is held by the National Library of Wales. Details at: > http://bit.ly/TU3Nxu The search engine at this (LLGC Maldwyn) site also > brings up some other Plasau Duon references. (search on Plasau in Pwnc > (lle)). I have come across other families living at Plasau Duon, but > much > later - Gittins in the 1700s who moved from Llanllugan and later a > branch of > the Lloyds of Cefn Barrach, Trefeglwys, family. Best wishes Nicola BJ > -----Original Message----- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:25:25 -0400 From: > Roderick Ward Subject: [POWYS] Where to find pre-1858 Powys wills. To: > powys > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A 1904 volume > of > Montgomeryshire Collections lists a number of wills from the 1630s and > 1640s > from Carno and Llanwnnog. It gives no source. One of the wills I have > tracked down as a PCC will. A few others show up on the National > Library of > Wales website as having been proved at Bangor. But a few wills, > including > the one I am particularly interested in (Lewis Evans of Plasse Duon, > Llanwnog, 1636) does not seem to turn up no matter spelling variations I > try. Is there somewhere else a will from Llanwnog might have been > proved in > the 1630s? Roderick Ward > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Roderick I don't know about 1630s wills for Llanwnog. I know that some Montgomeryshire wills are found at the Hereford registry, though. Also the National Archives hold some wills in categories other than PROB 11, which is what is searchable in Documents Online, for example some from the Commonwealth period. The latter are downloadable in huge files from their digital microfilm section. I don't know what other collections there are, but I think there are some. My real reason for writing is to draw your attention to a poem written on Lewis Evans of Plasau Duon by James Dwnn which is held by the National Library of Wales. Details at: http://bit.ly/TU3Nxu The search engine at this (LLGC Maldwyn) site also brings up some other Plasau Duon references. (search on Plasau in Pwnc (lle)). I have come across other families living at Plasau Duon, but much later - Gittins in the 1700s who moved from Llanllugan and later a branch of the Lloyds of Cefn Barrach, Trefeglwys, family. Best wishes Nicola BJ -----Original Message----- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:25:25 -0400 From: Roderick Ward Subject: [POWYS] Where to find pre-1858 Powys wills. To: powys Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A 1904 volume of Montgomeryshire Collections lists a number of wills from the 1630s and 1640s from Carno and Llanwnnog. It gives no source. One of the wills I have tracked down as a PCC will. A few others show up on the National Library of Wales website as having been proved at Bangor. But a few wills, including the one I am particularly interested in (Lewis Evans of Plasse Duon, Llanwnog, 1636) does not seem to turn up no matter spelling variations I try. Is there somewhere else a will from Llanwnog might have been proved in the 1630s? Roderick Ward

Lesley My paternal Davis family descends from William Davis/Davies, born between November 1663 and June 1664 in, we believe, Llanstephan, Radnorshire (now Powys), Wales. He immigrated to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, America in 1684, and died in about November/December 1745 in Shrewsbury, Monmouth County, New Jersey, United States of America. When he matriculated at Oxford University in 1682, his father, William, lived in Llanstephan. We don't know if William, our immigrant ancestor, or his father was born in Llanstephan, or whether it is his father's grave with a death date of 1695 in the Church of St. Steffan graveyard. Is there any help you could give us with finding records for this William Davis/Davies family, and a photo of the William Davis/Davies, died 1695, gravesite/headstone in the Church of St. Steffan graveyard? I can give you additional information in an email to your private address. Tim Timothy W. Davis Baltimore, MD 21239 USA On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Lesley <l_austen@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi List > > I live in Powys, but have no family connection in this part of the world - > but have a general fascination with family history - anybody's will do! > > So after helping a list member - Joyce from Oz when she was visiting the > area, I asked John(the list owner)if it would be OK to offer my help to > listers who cannot access local records, visit churchyards etc, and he said > yes, so long as I made my terms clear. > > I am happy to do the research, take photos of graves etc in my own time for > nothing, but in these times of high fuel costs, as a pensioner , I can't > afford the travel, so would have to ask for a contribution towards petrol. > > If anyone is interested, please contact me initially via the list and we > can > agree what is possible and cost of travel off list. > > I've been doing family history for over 20 years and have 2 branches going > back to the 1600's with supporting documentation. > > Hope I can help someone! > > Lesley > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

At 10:00 AM 15/10/2012, Sue wrote: >Just to add - your can search the National Library of Wales website >for pre 1858 welsh wills - many records also have images of the will >which you can look at to see if it is of use before ordering a copy. Yes, with NLW you can observe all the pages of the will for free, but with NA you cannot - you have to pay to look and if it's the wrong one.... well!!!! That's 10 out of 10 for NLW. Cheers Graham Melbourne

It's some time since I enquired about this family. My main interest is John DAVIES born about 1834 at Cefnllys Radnor to Thomas (of Nantmel) & Jane (of Llandrindod) DAVIES. I haven't been able to find any record of his birth but thought I'd found two of his siblings Edward christened May 1822 at Cefnllys & James christened Dec 1830 at Beguildy to the same named parents. I'm not sure about James as the two birthplaces are quite a distance apart & according to the 1851 census John was born in Cefnllys at the later date. There is also a sister Sarah age 15 according to the 1841 census. I would really like to trace the parents further back if possible so would appreciate any help. Thanks Elvery Chambers Perth West Australia

Just to add - your can search the National Library of Wales website for pre 1858 welsh wills - many records also have images of the will which you can look at to see if it is of use before ordering a copy.     Sue ________________________________ From: Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> To: powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012, 22:55 Subject: Re: [POWYS] Where to find pre-1858 Powys wills. Hi Roderick Just to say the index (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm) at the National Archives is a nightmare!  There's a number of spelling variations for parishes and some wills appear in the index go by a farm name (not a parish). I manually went through all the Montomgeryshire ones (2000+) last autumn trying to fish out the Trefeglwys wills.  The list is here: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_q=%22montgomeryshire%22&_col=online&_tsj=C10116&_ser=PROB+11&_sf=DRETITLE&_ps=60 There are various spellings for Trefeglwys - the wills at the National Archives has five versions!  No doubt Llanwnog will have its own variations when it comes to anglicalisation.  Also try searching for variations of the farm names and try searching for the township too (instead of parish).  Llanwnog townships here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Llanwnnog/Gaz1868.html in case you don't know. Sorry I can't be of any further help but just to say I know where you're coming from! Alison =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roderick Just to say the index (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm) at the National Archives is a nightmare! There's a number of spelling variations for parishes and some wills appear in the index go by a farm name (not a parish). I manually went through all the Montomgeryshire ones (2000+) last autumn trying to fish out the Trefeglwys wills. The list is here: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_q=%22montgomeryshire%22&_col=online&_tsj=C10116&_ser=PROB+11&_sf=DRETITLE&_ps=60 There are various spellings for Trefeglwys - the wills at the National Archives has five versions! No doubt Llanwnog will have its own variations when it comes to anglicalisation. Also try searching for variations of the farm names and try searching for the township too (instead of parish). Llanwnog townships here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Llanwnnog/Gaz1868.html in case you don't know. Sorry I can't be of any further help but just to say I know where you're coming from! Alison

Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately, I have already been making use of the National Library of Wales site and the National Archives site, without success. I have searched by names only, places only, even occupations, within a fairly wide range of dates, using wildcards to try to capture every conceivable spelling variation. I have come to the conclusion that the will likely does not exist in either index. Its existence, however, was mentioned in a 1904 article. So, if it was in fact not proved at either the PCC or in one of the ecclesiastical courts in the NLW index, is there anywhere else it could be? Are there wills that have been lost since 1904? Are there known gaps in the online indexes? Roderick

Hello Lesley. I'm using the forum as the information may be of interest to others. I have wanted to get to the records offices (or churches) to seek out parish registers for births of Ann and her mother and father and possibly pinpoint John's birth and who his parents were. John and Ann's marriage remains a mystery and any info about this would be wonderful. Any other information about the social/cultural milieu around Llanwyddelan and Llanfair Caereinion would also be excellent. Thanks for your help. JOHN JONES, said to have been born 1836 Place of Birth Llanfair Caereinion, Montgomeryshire. The census area for Llanfair Caereinion is wide, taking in several square miles of surrounding countryside dotted with farms and small rural houses. In the 1841 census (6th June) there are six John Joneses of around the right age. They are: Ty Evan Rhys (page 107) John age 6; Brynellen (page 120) John age 5; (Alun Baines) Lletty Gwilym Isaf (page 146) John age 4; Bonnygewin (page 164) John age 5 Neuadd Fach (page 175) John age 6; Llwychylau (page 178 John age 6. ANN JONES: BORN 1835, 34 or 33. Place of Birth Pen Y Gaer, Llanwyddelan, Montgomeryshire. John married Ann (below) somewhere around the late 1840s. In 1858 in the town of Tregynon district of Newtown John and Ann Jones registered the birth of the first born Evan on the 31 October 1858 their abode is Pen y Gair Llanwydellan. John’s occupation is Agricultural Labourer. In 1861 the house at ‘Pen y Gaer’ is still in the family occupied by Ann Jones head 55 pauper born Llanwydellan Hannah Jones 8 daughter born Llanwydellan Elizabeth Jones 3 granddaughter born Llanwydellan. ( Hannah was baptized on 3 December 1852 daughter of Evan and Ann of Penygair). John and Ann have moved from Pen y Gair and are living at the Wheat Sheaf, 124 Berriew Street, Welshpool. John Jones Head 25, servant at Sun Inn born Llanfair Caereinion. Ann Jones Wife 25, born Llanfair Caereinion Evan Jones son 2, born Welshpool John Jones 3 months, born Welshpool. Getting definite information was made easier by a visit to the area she came from in March of 2009. I knew Welshpool but had never been to the rural area around Llanfair Caereinion and Llanwyddelen. I wanted to fill out the sketchy impressions I had of the area from OS maps and rare photos. It doesn't seem to be an area that has ever attracted written description or,equally, thought to have merited photographic or painterly attention. I also went to see what, if any, vibrations (for want of a better word) I would get there. I was knocked out. It is one of the world's uniquely beautiful and almost timeless places with warm, friendly people free of cynicism. And yes, almost immediately I felt I totally belonged there - a natural part of the earth there. Fanciful perhaps, but a great feeling nonetheless. Llanwyddelan is a small, scattered village centred on a beautifully sited church and cemetery (Church of Wales) set on a prominent hill on the eastern approach. The church has an unusual slate hung gable end where it faces west. The road eastwards through the village, after about a mile and a quarter, reaches the village of Adfa. Just about quarter of a mile before you get to Adfa, there is a small lane running up right (north). This lane leads to Y Gaer, an ancient British Hillfort. Following this lane, I found the site of the two Pen Y Gaer cottages with the help of a Cassini 1835 reproduction OS map. The site location was later confirmed by the Clwyd - Powys Archeological Society. I was told: "I have searched the Regional Historic Environment Record and have found that both cottages are recorded on there. The only survey in which they have been included as yet, is as part of a Tir Gofal Management Plan - a scheme which supports farmers in protecting both the archaeological heritage and natural environment on their land. In this survey, the cottage sites were located within the landscape, their location only being visible today by the way of a slight level platform. Both the cottages and Pen y Gaer hillfort fall within the land of Tynyrwtra Farm..." They also sent the National Grid References for the cottages: SJ0667001199 and SJ0668601197. The 1841 census records one family living at “Pen Y Gaer” as: Evan Jones age 30 Ag Lab Ann Jones age 35 Ann Jones age 7 Mary Jones age 4 Margaret Jones age 1 Margaret Gittins 80 pauper. Alun Baines my distant cousin (in both senses) lives in New Zealand. Alun did acres of invaluable fundamental research which he generously shared with me. Following the clue provided by the presence of Margaret Gittins at Penygaer in 1841, he found: "The name Margaret Gittins gave a clue to Ann Jones’s parents. Margaret Gittins was buried in Welshpool aged 82 of Penygaer 28 December 1844 ( Her death was registered by a member of the Jones family..." Alun went on to find an important marriage record: " Evan Jones (bachelor) to Ann Gittins (spinster) at Llanwyddelan Parish Church 2nd April 1830 Witnesses Thomas Gittins (signed) and Thomas Owen (signed). [Thomas Owen was a customary witness at this period. Thomas Gittins was Ann’s father]. So it turns out my Great Grandmother Ann Jones' mother was originally Ann Gittins. Ann Gittins' father Thomas had the farm Llwyncoppa which is just over the lane and a couple of fields away from Pen Y Gaer. Alun went on to find that: "After their marriage in 1830 Evan and Ann Jones lived at ‘Pen Y Gaer’ and had a daughter Anne Jones on the 10 October 1830. (This) Anne died age 2 on the 31 January 1833...On the 24 November 1833 a second Anne Jones (sic) was born followed by: Mary born 27 November 1843; Thomas born 19 January 1843; and Evan born 1846" Alun doesn't say where this information came from but if it's accurate, it gives us Ann Jones' exact birthdate. In the 1851 census, Ann is missing from Penygaer but at Llwyncoppa an Ann Jones aged 17 is recorded as a 'servant.' Interestingly, another servant recorded there in 1851 is John Jones aged 16 - but his place of birth is down as Manafon, not Llanfair Caereinion. Whether or not that is our John Jones, Ann probably married our John sometime between 1851 and 1858. Alun found their first child Evan's birth certificate: " Evan was born at Pen Y Gaer Oct 31st 1858. Ann registered his birth 6 days later in Tregynon a Sub District of Newtown." Both Alun and I have made futile searches for a record of Ann and John's marriage - an important bit of information to tie things together. In 1861, they, with their son's Evan aged 2 and John aged 3 months are living at the Wheatsheaf Inn, Berriew Street, Welshpool. They are, so far, not traceable via the Welshpool, Llanfyllin (Llanfair Caereinion was in that registry district then) or Newtown registries. I searched the non-conformist indexes at the Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society's office in Newtown when I visited last March - no trace. On the religious side, Ann and John seem to have used the Church of Wales - their children were baptised at CofW churches. However, there must be some uncertainty: Pen Y Gaer, although technically in the parish of Llanwyddelen, was really nearer and directly geographically linked with Adfa and Llwyncoppa was in Adfa (still is). There is an interesting brief entry in the history of the founder of Adfa Chapel which says the area was strongly non-conformist and before the Chapel was built the people of the area held their services "at local farms like Llwyncoppa." John and Ann's children were, chronologically: Evan, John, Sarah Jane, Anne, Lucy, Rose (my Nain), Mary (Polly), Maggie, and Elizabeth (Betty). I'm now, as well as continuing the search for facts, trying to build a picture of how Ann and John lived then - the social conditions, circumstances and environment they would have experienced. A problem is that while there are some excellent and entertaining texts available from the National Library of Wales and others, these range all over Wales except for the area around Llanfair and Llanwyddelen. The social history of the good ordinary people of Wales is, relative to that of the gentry and the celebrity, sadly neglected. Heddwch Mike Mike LLywelyn Cox http://www.facebook.com/micoxy?ref=name http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com A NCODP voluntary worker (www.ncodp.org.uk) A NSUN (http://www.nsun.org.uk) member. A http://www.solnetwork.org.uk member. All views and statements expressed here are entirely my own and, unless stated otherwise, not those of any other individual or organisation.

A 1904 volume of Montgomeryshire Collections lists a number of wills from the 1630s and 1640s from Carno and Llanwnnog. It gives no source. One of the wills I have tracked down as a PCC will. A few others show up on the National Library of Wales website as having been proved at Bangor. But a few wills, including the one I am particularly interested in (Lewis Evans of Plasse Duon, Llanwnog, 1636) does not seem to turn up no matter spelling variations I try. Is there somewhere else a will from Llanwnog might have been proved in the 1630s? Roderick Ward

I went to a local FH meeting last week to a presentation on this subject. The main message was to use the "filter" options otherwise you'll end up with lots and lots of records to scan. The key is to click first on the "tree" logo/symbol in the top left of the first screen then scroll down to bottom of page to select the country you want, and so on Other tips:- ...search by given name only - be as specific as possible with date and place ...search with no names at all - be as specific as possible with date and place Parent search -on screen search, choose "parents"in the relationship section can be used for single mothers as well Look forward to seeing the website presentation too Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Ball Sent: 13 October 2012 7:34 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Thanks to Lynne for helping Shirley Frost find the IGI via the new FamilySearch.org website. Powys Listers may be interested to know that the last few monthly meetings of the Breconshire Local & Family History Society (BLFHS), held in Brecon, have featured a series of short presentations on using the new FamilySearch website. The final talk in the present series, delivered last Wednesday, included how to gain access to the IGI. The talks were given by certified genealogist Helen Whyte. The members' section of the BLFHS website provides access to sound recordings of Helen's talks, together with slide shows of the images used in her presentations. Last week's presentation will be uploaded onto the website in the next few days. The BLFHS website is at www.blfhs.co.uk Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:42 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Shirley - If you are talking about the IGI, you can still get to it by clicking on All Record Collections (below the Search sign), and scrolling down to International Genealogical Index. When you click on that, you will be taken to a page with the church records index or the personal family information that was submitted. You can also sort thru the collections by Place, Date, etc. At the bottom of the FamilySearch.org page, there are a number of tutorials that will show you how to navigate the new website. Click on What's New, and follow the links - Try our new Search, etc. You'll need to create a FamilySearch account at some point. If you have a Family History Center nearby, they can show you how to navigate the new site. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: FrostSES@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:08 AM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Hello John I hope you don't mind me asking on the list if, on the _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) they have removed the facility to go onto the old site, which I preferred? Best wishes Shirley =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Lynne for helping Shirley Frost find the IGI via the new FamilySearch.org website. Powys Listers may be interested to know that the last few monthly meetings of the Breconshire Local & Family History Society (BLFHS), held in Brecon, have featured a series of short presentations on using the new FamilySearch website. The final talk in the present series, delivered last Wednesday, included how to gain access to the IGI. The talks were given by certified genealogist Helen Whyte. The members' section of the BLFHS website provides access to sound recordings of Helen's talks, together with slide shows of the images used in her presentations. Last week's presentation will be uploaded onto the website in the next few days. The BLFHS website is at www.blfhs.co.uk Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:42 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Shirley - If you are talking about the IGI, you can still get to it by clicking on All Record Collections (below the Search sign), and scrolling down to International Genealogical Index. When you click on that, you will be taken to a page with the church records index or the personal family information that was submitted. You can also sort thru the collections by Place, Date, etc. At the bottom of the FamilySearch.org page, there are a number of tutorials that will show you how to navigate the new website. Click on What's New, and follow the links - Try our new Search, etc. You'll need to create a FamilySearch account at some point. If you have a Family History Center nearby, they can show you how to navigate the new site. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: FrostSES@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:08 AM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Hello John I hope you don't mind me asking on the list if, on the _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) they have removed the facility to go onto the old site, which I preferred? Best wishes Shirley

Hi Lynne and John Thank you very much for your reply and guidance it is most helpful. I will need to use it more to get used to the changes. Many thanks once again. Best wishes Shirley -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> To: powys <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:43 Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Shirley - If you are talking about the IGI, you can still get to it by clicking on All Record Collections (below the Search sign), and scrolling down to International Genealogical Index. When you click on that, you will be taken to a page with the church records index or the personal family information that was submitted. You can also sort thru the collections by Place, Date, etc. At the bottom of the FamilySearch.org page, there are a number of tutorials that will show you how to navigate the new website. Click on What's New, and follow the links - Try our new Search, etc. You'll need to create a FamilySearch account at some point. If you have a Family History Center nearby, they can show you how to navigate the new site. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: FrostSES@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:08 AM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Hello John I hope you don't mind me asking on the list if, on the _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) they have removed the facility to go onto the old site, which I preferred? Best wishes Shirley =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley - If you are talking about the IGI, you can still get to it by clicking on All Record Collections (below the Search sign), and scrolling down to International Genealogical Index. When you click on that, you will be taken to a page with the church records index or the personal family information that was submitted. You can also sort thru the collections by Place, Date, etc. At the bottom of the FamilySearch.org page, there are a number of tutorials that will show you how to navigate the new website. Click on What's New, and follow the links - Try our new Search, etc. You'll need to create a FamilySearch account at some point. If you have a Family History Center nearby, they can show you how to navigate the new site. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: FrostSES@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:08 AM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Message for Admin Hello John I hope you don't mind me asking on the list if, on the _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) they have removed the facility to go onto the old site, which I preferred? Best wishes Shirley =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello John I hope you don't mind me asking on the list if, on the _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) they have removed the facility to go onto the old site, which I preferred? Best wishes Shirley =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Clive, Thanks for your comments. As you suggested, GENUKI's Brynmawr transcription is from Bailey's centenary edition of Theophilus Jones's original work. The Brynmawr piece is on page 158 of Volume 3, published in 1911, a copy of which I have in my possession. St Mary's Roman Catholic Chapel was build, as you say, in 1863. The year was mistranscribed as 1868 in the GENUKI version. Bailey gives 1875 (not 1815) as the year in which St Mary's parish church was built - another transcription error on the GENUKI page. I'll correct these two errors on GENUKI asap. The other issues you've raised were correctly transcribed from the original, so the responsibility lies with Sir Joseph Bailey himself. Listers may be interested to know that Powys Library Service has several copies of the Centenary edition in their branches, and Archive CD Books published it on CD in 2001. Archives CD Books is at http://www.archivecdbooks.ie/ Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: Clive Gardener Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:10 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] More on Brynmawr BRE/MON Dear John Thanks for the link to the webpage. The transcribed text is clearly an introduction added by Sir Joseph Russell Bailey in 1909, since Theophilus Jones died in January 1812. I thought the Roman Catholic Chapel in Brynmawr, dedicated to St Mary, was built in 1863, rather than 1868? Perhaps I am wrong, or perhaps there is an error in the transcription? Certainly, the parish church of St Mary was built and consecrated in 1872 - not 1815! The original church was apparently constructed from light Pennant stone, with Bath stone dressings, rather than being built from Bath stone! The Merthyr, Tredegar & Abergavenny Railway opened its station at Brynmawr in September 1862 - not 1864. I imagine the facts become more precise closer to 1909, although perhaps some of the earlier details are okay, too - certainly, the description and year of the general cemetery seems correct. Best regards Clive www.secret-bottletop.com

Dear John Thanks for the link to the webpage. The transcribed text is clearly an introduction added by Sir Joseph Russell Bailey in 1909, since Theophilus Jones died in January 1812. I thought the Roman Catholic Chapel in Brynmawr, dedicated to St Mary, was built in 1863, rather than 1868? Perhaps I am wrong, or perhaps there is an error in the transcription? Certainly, the parish church of St Mary was built and consecrated in 1872 - not 1815! The original church was apparently constructed from light Pennant stone, with Bath stone dressings, rather than being built from Bath stone! The Merthyr, Tredegar & Abergavenny Railway opened its station at Brynmawr in September 1862 - not 1864. I imagine the facts become more precise closer to 1909, although perhaps some of the earlier details are okay, too - certainly, the description and year of the general cemetery seems correct. Best regards Clive www.secret-bottletop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2011.co.uk> To: "Powys List" <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: [POWYS] More on Brynmawr BRE/MON > Dear Listers, > > Those interested in the history of Brynmawr should find the following > webpage on the GENUKI website of interest: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llanelli/Brynmawr.html > > The webpage comprises a transcription (by the late Barrie Jones) of the > relevant section from "The History of Brecknockshire", first edition by > Theophilus Jones published 1809, centenary edition revised by Lord Glanusk > (Sir Joseph Russell Bailey) published 1909 onwards. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk > Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Those interested in the history of Brynmawr should find the following webpage on the GENUKI website of interest: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llanelli/Brynmawr.html The webpage comprises a transcription (by the late Barrie Jones) of the relevant section from "The History of Brecknockshire", first edition by Theophilus Jones published 1809, centenary edition revised by Lord Glanusk (Sir Joseph Russell Bailey) published 1909 onwards. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/

Marilyn Watson wrote: On those maps is Brynmawr Llanelly? Many thanks for the lists help. I think I am finally sorting things out ====================== Dear Marilyn, I am sending you (off list) an image of a map of the Brynmawr area, showing the county and parish boundaries in that area. The map shows that the Breconshire-Monmouthshire county boundary runs right through the middle of the Brynmawr. The north part of Brynmawr is in Breconshire; the south part is in Monmouthshire. The map is from a CD that accompanied "Historic Parishes of England and Wales: an Electronic Map of Boundaries before 1850 with a Gazetteer and Metadata" [computer file] by Kain, R. J.P., Oliver, R.R., 2002. I hope this will clarify things for you. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/

At 03:39 PM 7/10/2012, you wrote: >I believe that Nantyglo has *always* been >in Monmouthshire, at least until 1974. >Your relation was correct in saying she was born in Nantyglo, Monmouthshire. Hi John, Looks like I am the one that is confused:-) On those maps is Brynmawr Llanelly? Many thanks for the lists help. I think I am finally sorting things out Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia