Thanks John I had noticed the list traffic seemed less than it had been for both this and other lists. I think family history interest must have soared when census info etc originally became widely available online and now perhaps we're down to those with more of a lifetime interest. That reminds me I must start putting some queries out on the list about my own Montgomeryshire ancestors and see whether anyone can help me get over my brick walls! Best wishes Martin On 3 December 2012 19:03, John Ball <john@jlb2011.co.uk> wrote: > Martin Hughes wrote: > That's quite below the average, but how does it compare with November 2011? > How much of it is seasonal variation? > =================== > > Hi Martin, > > The Powys List traffic figure for November last year was 67 (compared to 36 > this year). > > You can examine a graphic showing all the stats over the past 15 years at: > www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm#stats > > The peaks of activity usually seem to occur in March and the troughs around > Christmas time, but annually the general trend is inexorably downward, and > has been so ever since 2000. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk > Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list > > Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ > Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society > http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Martin Hughes BSc(Econ) CPFA FCMI Trem Siriol, 29 Heol y Bryn, Harlech, Gwynedd LL46 2TU Ffon/Tel: 01766 780540 Mob: 0778 7112649 Ebost/Email: martin@martinjhughes. <martinhughes8@gmail.com>co.uk Web: www.martinjhughes.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ *Y Gwasanaeth Arbed Ynni mewn perthynas **-yn arbed costau ynni a thelathrebu i fusnesau* The Energy Saving Service - saving business energy and telecoms costs _

On 03/12/12 19:38, David Railton wrote: > That looks interesting? Was this all of Shropshire and Montgomeryshire or > particular parts? When was this census taken? It appears to be a census of a landowner's houses for labourers and other people low on the socio-economic scale. I haven't researched the scope, but it appears to be 67 families in the vicinity of Alberbury parish. However some places are in Cardeston, Shropshire and some in Buttington. I have not checked all places though. > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Ball > Sent: 03 December 2012 19:28 > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Shropshire-Montgomeryshire Private Census > > David Hopkins wrote: > A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that > contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. > Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a > personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. > I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have > any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? > =========== > > Dear David, > > What a terrific find! If I found one of my ancestors was listed I'd be > overjoyed. Thank you for making these available to us. > > I think 'carden no land' is 'Garden, no land'; i.e. the person has a garden > but no other land. See the bottom of column 3 on page 1. There are > references elsewhere to 'garden good'. > > '1/w mouth C.C.' I think is a reference to an amount (1/-) paid per (pr) > month to some kind of club. The writer uses B.C. as the abbreviation for > Benefit Club, so I'd suggest C.C. refers to something similar. Other > payments are sometimes expressed as '1/pr week'. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk > Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: > http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ > > Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society > http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks should be given to a Mr. Vaughan. He has not yet let me know if he wishes to be named in person. He paid almost £100 for this. Unfortunately I have found such remnants of Montgomery are lacking compared to other counties. Thanks for the break down on the works, I think you are right. ---- It seems most of the people listed are labourers and only people in and around Alberbury. On 03/12/12 19:27, John Ball wrote: > David Hopkins wrote: > A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that > contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. > Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a > personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. > I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have > any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? > =========== > > Dear David, > > What a terrific find! If I found one of my ancestors was listed I'd be > overjoyed. Thank you for making these available to us. > > I think 'carden no land' is 'Garden, no land'; i.e. the person has a garden > but no other land. See the bottom of column 3 on page 1. There are > references elsewhere to 'garden good'. > > '1/w mouth C.C.' I think is a reference to an amount (1/-) paid per (pr) > month to some kind of club. The writer uses B.C. as the abbreviation for > Benefit Club, so I'd suggest C.C. refers to something similar. Other > payments are sometimes expressed as '1/pr week'. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk > Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ > > Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society > http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That looks interesting? Was this all of Shropshire and Montgomeryshire or particular parts? When was this census taken? David -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Ball Sent: 03 December 2012 19:28 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Shropshire-Montgomeryshire Private Census David Hopkins wrote: A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? =========== Dear David, What a terrific find! If I found one of my ancestors was listed I'd be overjoyed. Thank you for making these available to us. I think 'carden no land' is 'Garden, no land'; i.e. the person has a garden but no other land. See the bottom of column 3 on page 1. There are references elsewhere to 'garden good'. '1/w mouth C.C.' I think is a reference to an amount (1/-) paid per (pr) month to some kind of club. The writer uses B.C. as the abbreviation for Benefit Club, so I'd suggest C.C. refers to something similar. Other payments are sometimes expressed as '1/pr week'. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David Hopkins wrote: A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? =========== Dear David, What a terrific find! If I found one of my ancestors was listed I'd be overjoyed. Thank you for making these available to us. I think 'carden no land' is 'Garden, no land'; i.e. the person has a garden but no other land. See the bottom of column 3 on page 1. There are references elsewhere to 'garden good'. '1/w mouth C.C.' I think is a reference to an amount (1/-) paid per (pr) month to some kind of club. The writer uses B.C. as the abbreviation for Benefit Club, so I'd suggest C.C. refers to something similar. Other payments are sometimes expressed as '1/pr week'. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hello David, ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hopkins" <david@semlabs.co.uk> To: <Powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: [POWYS] Shropshire-Montgomeryshire Private Census > The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and > Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have > made available here: > > http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census Thanks for this. > I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone > have any idea what 'carden no land' garden no land? > '1/w mouth C.C.' means? or 1/ pr month? (one shilling per month?) Not sure about C C Regards Peter

Martin Hughes wrote: That's quite below the average, but how does it compare with November 2011? How much of it is seasonal variation? =================== Hi Martin, The Powys List traffic figure for November last year was 67 (compared to 36 this year). You can examine a graphic showing all the stats over the past 15 years at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm#stats The peaks of activity usually seem to occur in March and the troughs around Christmas time, but annually the general trend is inexorably downward, and has been so ever since 2000. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/

Evening List, A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have made available here: http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? David

Thanks for this David. I don't see anyone of personal interest, but it all goes to make up a picture. Margaret On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM, David Hopkins <david@semlabs.co.uk> wrote: > Evening List, > > A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that > contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. > > The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and > Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have > made available here: > > > http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census > > Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even > without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. > > I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone > have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? > > > > > David > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Luzerne County, Pennsylvania: AMOS, CHARLES, DAVIES, FISHER, HENRY, PRICE, RAUGH/ROUGH, REESE, WAGNER Brecknockshire (Breconshire): HAMON (?) Monmouthshire: AMOS/HAMON, REES Glamorganshire: DAVIS/DAVIES, COLLINS (also Ireland), REESE Cardiganshire: GRIFFITHS, THOMAS Holland and Germany: UPDYKE, DIETRICH, GRANTZ

Okay. I see "1860s" now on the introduction. Thanks for sharing. *Katherine Benbow * On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Katherine Benbow <benbow.family@gmail.com>wrote: > Fascinating. But which year is this for? I don't see it noted. > > > *Katherine Benbow > > * > * > * > * > * > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM, David Hopkins <david@semlabs.co.uk> wrote: > >> Evening List, >> >> A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that >> contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. >> >> The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and >> Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have >> made available here: >> >> >> http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census >> >> Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even >> without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. >> >> I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone >> have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? >> >> >> >> >> David >> =================== >> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Fascinating. But which year is this for? I don't see it noted. *Katherine Benbow * * * * * On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM, David Hopkins <david@semlabs.co.uk> wrote: > Evening List, > > A fellow researcher recently acquired a document, a private census that > contains detail that is usually not recorded - particularly for labourers. > > The census covers parts of Alberbury parish in both Montgomeryshire and > Shropshire. He has kindly sent me images of the census, which I have > made available here: > > > http://forebears.co.uk/news/fascinating-shropshire-montgomeryshire-border-private-census > > Would be interested to hear if these are relevant to anyone. Even > without a personal connection it still makes fascinating reading. > > I'm having problems deciphering some of the information. Does anyone > have any idea what 'carden no land' '1/w mouth C.C.' means? > > > > > David > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John That's quite below the average, but how does it compare with November 2011? How much of it is seasonal variation? Best wishes Martin On 2 December 2012 15:41, John Ball <john@jlb2011.co.uk> wrote: > john@jlb2011.co.uk -- Martin Hughes BSc(Econ) CPFA FCMI Trem Siriol, 29 Heol y Bryn, Harlech, Gwynedd LL46 2TU Ffon/Tel: 01766 780540 Mob: 0778 7112649 Ebost/Email: martin@martinjhughes. <martinhughes8@gmail.com>co.uk Web: www.martinjhughes.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ *Y Gwasanaeth Arbed Ynni mewn perthynas **-yn arbed costau ynni a thelathrebu i fusnesau* The Energy Saving Service - saving business energy and telecoms costs _

Powys List Activity Stats - November 2012 Dear Listers, In November 2012, 36 messages were distributed via the Powys List, well below the average (53) for the year so far. Currently there are 413 members subscribed to the Powys List, two less than last month's figure. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/

Thank you, Malcolm and Aiden, for your responses. I'll check out the sites. Venita Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com Just Picture It - Wales http://www.venitap.com/Photolinks/photolinks.html On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Venita <venitar@mac.com> wrote: > I haven't been active on this list for some time, but I have been lurking about in the background. Now I'm back to my Welsh ancestry after having been working in other parts of the forest. > > I seem to remember that there is a website where you can find information about Welsh clergymen in the 17th-18th centuries. It gave a list of them, where they were educated and where they served. Is there such a site? If so, where is it? I am particularly interested in David Richard who may have served in Llansannor, Glamorgan, around 1750. Any suggestions will be appreciated. > > Many Thanks, > > Venita > > Family History and Other Fascinations > venitap.com > > Just Picture It - Wales > http://www.venitap.com/Photolinks/photolinks.html > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynne, Yes, My Mother was GLADYS MAY MORGAN.Any further info will be gratefully received.Thank you so much that you have found this lead for me. Hope to hear from you again, soon, Regards, Graham. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, edward lousvet <lissymay@lousvet.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Graham , > > Was your mother Gladys M Morgan, (I have no connection to this family) but if she is I think I have them in 1911 census. > Lynne. > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Venita" <venitar@mac.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: [POWYS] Records of Clergymen >I haven't been active on this list for some time, but I have been lurking >about in the background. Now I'm back to my Welsh ancestry after having >been working in other parts of the forest. > > I seem to remember that there is a website where you can find information > about Welsh clergymen in the 17th-18th centuries. It gave a list of them, > where they were educated and where they served. Is there such a site? If > so, where is it? I am particularly interested in David Richard who may > have served in Llansannor, Glamorgan, around 1750. Any suggestions will > be appreciated. http://eagle.cch.kcl.ac.uk:8080/cce/ (Church of England, but not yet much Welsh coverage). The Surman index has already been mentioned, although this is for nonconformist clergy (mainly Congregational/Independent churches). There are also various published lists of university graduates (e.g. Alumni Oxonienses and Alumni Cantabrigienses), although Wales had a relatively high proportion of non-graduate clergy - see also http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/TheoColl.html. The main unpublished archival sources for beneficed clergy and curates would be the diocesan registers in the National Library of Wales. AJ

Venita There is a site for clergymen at: http://surman.english.qmul.ac.uk which may be of help. Regards Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Venita" <venitar@mac.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: [POWYS] Records of Clergymen >I haven't been active on this list for some time, but I have been lurking >about in the background. Now I'm back to my Welsh ancestry after having >been working in other parts of the forest. > > I seem to remember that there is a website where you can find information > about Welsh clergymen in the 17th-18th centuries. It gave a list of them, > where they were educated and where they served. Is there such a site? If > so, where is it? I am particularly interested in David Richard who may > have served in Llansannor, Glamorgan, around 1750. Any suggestions will > be appreciated. > > Many Thanks, > > Venita > > Family History and Other Fascinations > venitap.com > > Just Picture It - Wales > http://www.venitap.com/Photolinks/photolinks.html > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham , Was your mother Gladys M Morgan, (I have no connection to this family) but if she is I think I have them in 1911 census. Lynne.

I haven't been active on this list for some time, but I have been lurking about in the background. Now I'm back to my Welsh ancestry after having been working in other parts of the forest. I seem to remember that there is a website where you can find information about Welsh clergymen in the 17th-18th centuries. It gave a list of them, where they were educated and where they served. Is there such a site? If so, where is it? I am particularly interested in David Richard who may have served in Llansannor, Glamorgan, around 1750. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Many Thanks, Venita Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com Just Picture It - Wales http://www.venitap.com/Photolinks/photolinks.html

Dear Listers, I appreciate that this request is really outside the Powys area, but if there is anyone who can possibly help me in any way, I would be most grateful.I am trying to make some headway with my Mothers side of the Family. >From my Fathers marriage certificate my Mothers Father is listed as ... WILLIAM MORGAN 25 NEW ORCHARD STREET SWANSEA Marriage date (My Father) was 1930 William Morgan was down as a Butcher I do know that he had two Sons,CLIFFORD MORGAN and ALBERT MORGAN,who were both butchers in Swansea market, so I am assuming that WILLIAM MORGAN was also associated with Swansea market. This is all I have at present...is there any possibility that you might be able to give me som eleads as to where to proceed.My Grandfather died somewhere about 1940. If anyone has any leads at all,or who may be researching this Family, PLEASE do contact me when convenient. Regards, Graham.