Dear Ruth, thank you so much for all the information. Given what you have said then perhaps it will be worth ordering the bond. The guarantors names could be very useful. They were established church on this side of the family. It does all fit. Strangely it is the only bond that I can find for my Jenkins/Marsen family. Several girls getting married but only one bond - the earliest of the marriages. thank you again Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: <RufHay@aol.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Marriage Bonds Hi Diana Marriage bonds that I have seen have not routinely had the parents' names but they do have names of (usually) two guarantors of the amount of money stipulated in the bond - in case one of the parties did not go through with the wedding. I think the sum of money was probably notional & doubt if people who got as far as having a marriage bond ever defaulted. One of my ggg grandfathers, Ebenezer Lewis, was bound for £500 in 1807 - and I can't imagine that he or his guarantors could have raised this huge sum of money in those days. He was a Baptist and it was quite common for non-conformists to be married by licence (and therefore need a marriage bond). In this way they avoided the reading of marriage banns on three Sundays before the wedding in the parish church of bride & groom. Apart from non-conformists, it was often members of the upper classes who were married by licence. Best regards, Ruth =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a question on the possibility of exploring documents related to my grgrand born Llywel, Breconshire in 1849. Does anyone know if documents exist for indiviuals bound out to service in Breconshire? The following is from the obit of Isaac Price in 1923: "Forced by the poverty of the times, at the tender age of seven, he was bound out, at service, to a farmer and began the struggle of gaining his daily bread....." I recently had a conversation with a friend who was able to locate legal documents dating from 1830 in Devon, England for an "appenticeship in the art of husbandry" for a 10 year old girl. An indenture was filled out before witnesses and 2 Church Wardens who were all acting for a group charged with overseeing help for the poor. If anyone has any insight on possible ways to explore this in 1850's Breconshire I would be grateful to hear from you. Gwen gisaac@netins.net

Hi Listers Having mentioned my ancestor Ebenezer Lewis, I am reminded that I have never found his burial, though I think he died in Llandeilo Graban in the 1830s. His widow Martha, nee Price, lived for some considerable time afterwards. If anyone has access to the relevant PR or NBI listing, I would be grateful if they could look Ebenezer up. He was a Baptist, but I think that there was no Baptist burial ground in Llandeilo Graban at the time, though there was a chapel & E L was one of its founders. Best regards, Ruth

Hi Diana Marriage bonds that I have seen have not routinely had the parents' names but they do have names of (usually) two guarantors of the amount of money stipulated in the bond - in case one of the parties did not go through with the wedding. I think the sum of money was probably notional & doubt if people who got as far as having a marriage bond ever defaulted. One of my ggg grandfathers, Ebenezer Lewis, was bound for £500 in 1807 - and I can't imagine that he or his guarantors could have raised this huge sum of money in those days. He was a Baptist and it was quite common for non-conformists to be married by licence (and therefore need a marriage bond). In this way they avoided the reading of marriage banns on three Sundays before the wedding in the parish church of bride & groom. Apart from non-conformists, it was often members of the upper classes who were married by licence. Best regards, Ruth

Dear Vera, thank you for the information on marriage bonds. Do you know if the bond gives any information as to the parents and where they were living? Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "VERA BROWN" <vera.brown1@btopenworld.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Marriage Bonds > If a couple were married by Licence, they were required to produce a bond > which was a legal document guaranteeing that the couple would marry or > face a penalty if either should decide to opt out. Bonds were not only > used for marriages but also for administration of a deceased persons > estate. > > Vera > Membership Secretary > Powys FHS > > Little Warren Farm <littlewarrenfarm@btinternet.com> wrote: > Dear list, > > Can anyone tell me why anyone would be married by marriage bond. I have > France Jenkins 1804 marrying John Owen 1800 at Y Feinor/Vaynor in 1820 by > marriage bond. Does anyone know what infromation would be on the bond? > > with thanks > Diana > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

If a couple were married by Licence, they were required to produce a bond which was a legal document guaranteeing that the couple would marry or face a penalty if either should decide to opt out. Bonds were not only used for marriages but also for administration of a deceased persons estate. Vera Membership Secretary Powys FHS Little Warren Farm <littlewarrenfarm@btinternet.com> wrote: Dear list, Can anyone tell me why anyone would be married by marriage bond. I have France Jenkins 1804 marrying John Owen 1800 at Y Feinor/Vaynor in 1820 by marriage bond. Does anyone know what infromation would be on the bond? with thanks Diana =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list, Can anyone tell me why anyone would be married by marriage bond. I have France Jenkins 1804 marrying John Owen 1800 at Y Feinor/Vaynor in 1820 by marriage bond. Does anyone know what infromation would be on the bond? with thanks Diana

Hello All Now i have been kindly advised as to where St Johns in Brecon is (Thankyou Vera). Can anyone help me find the right Ann Davies? I have found her possibly on the 1841 census with her father Thomas who was a sawyer (on her marriage cert 1850) she was born circa 1830 and says on further census that she was born in Brecon but how can i be sure this is her, also the spelling differs which i know can happen. Can anyone point me in the right direction Thanks Dave

Hi, I'm new to the list I'm researching the family of John (1799 - 1848) and Elinor (or Ellin) JONES (nee MORRIS) of Llanygog, Montgomery. They married at Pennant Melangell on 30 July 1825 and had the following children: John (1824, Llangynog) Thomas (1825, Pennant) Mary (1826, Llangynog) David (1828, Llangynog) Elin (1830, Llangynog) Jane (1831, Llangynog) Jane (1833, Llangynog) Elizabeth (1835, Llangynog) Catherine (1836, Llangynog) Mary (1839, Llangynog) John (1844, Llangynog) Any information gratefully received. Many thanks Graham Camfield Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/secretariat/legal/disclaimer.htm

Daniel Powell b.c. 1814 at Llandefailog Fach married Ann Griffiths b.c. 1819 at Goytre, at St.John's Church Brecon on 28th Feb 1837 In 1841 they were living at the Struet, Brecon Daniel Powell 30 Shoemaker Ann Powell 29 John Powell 2 In 1851 they were at New Road Blaenavon Iron Works, Llanover Daniel Powell 37 .Brecon Cordwainer Mary Ann Powell 32 Goytre John Powell 13 St John's Brecon William G. Powell 10 St.John's Brecon Thomas Powell 8 months Merthyr Tydfil In 1871 they were at 3 Post Office Row Trevethin Daniel Powell 54 Brecon Shoemaker Mary Powell 48 Goytre Thomas Powell 20 Merthyr Tydfil Mary Ann Powell 18 Trevethin James David Powell 14 Crickhowell I can not find them in 1861 although in the past I have but cannot remember how I had difficulty in searching for them. I am interested in any connection with any descendents of this family, William Griffiths Powell is my ggrandfather, I have a copy of his birth certificate. Regards, Ian.

Apart from a few exceptions the earlier UK censuses of 1801, 1811, 1821 and 1831 were not preserved. Some more information can be found at: http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/N-EarlyCensuses.html http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/census.htm Rina http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <susancl49@aol.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] census look-up for 1830/ Llandegley Parish > > Hi, can anyone say what the 1830 census includes, if not names? Are > surnames included? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Susan

Hi Connie, The earliest UK census to record names took place in 1841. Do you already have the entry for Edward Thomas in that census? Rina http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <waffles03@verizon.net> To: <Powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: [POWYS] census look-up for 1830/ Llandegley Parish >I would like a look-up for Edward Thomas in 1830. He would be in >Llandegley Parish in the county of Radnor. > He would be around 50 years old, give or take a few years. He had a son > Evan who would be around 21 years old. Thank you connie

Thank you so much for your time and paticence with me. thanks again connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rina Callingham" <emma.callingham@tesco.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] census look-up for 1830/ Llandegley Parish > Apart from a few exceptions the earlier UK censuses of 1801, 1811, 1821 > and > 1831 were not preserved. Some more information can be found at: > > http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/N-EarlyCensuses.html > > http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/census.htm > > Rina > http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <susancl49@aol.com> > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: [POWYS] census look-up for 1830/ Llandegley Parish > > >> >> Hi, can anyone say what the 1830 census includes, if not names? Are >> surnames included? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Susan > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, can anyone say what the 1830 census includes, if not names?  Are surnames included? Thanks, Susan -----Original Message----- From: Rina Callingham <emma.callingham@tesco.net> To: Connie <waffles03@verizon.net>; Powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [POWYS] census look-up for 1830/ Llandegley Parish Hi Connie, he earliest UK census to record names took place in 1841. Do you already ave the entry for Edward Thomas in that census? Rina ttp://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Connie" <waffles03@verizon.net> o: <Powys@rootsweb.com> ent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:35 PM ubject: [POWYS] census look-up for 1830/ Llandegley Parish I would like a look-up for Edward Thomas in 1830. He would be in Llandegley Parish in the county of Radnor. He would be around 50 years old, give or take a few years. He had a son Evan who would be around 21 years old. Thank you connie ================== isit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Does anyone know of any VEATERS living or from Blaina? I am trying to find information for my cousin Reese R. Veater from Scranton, Pa. Thank you Marge Summers -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Ralston Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:22 AM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] BENNETT, GREENWOOD Do any of these names sound familiar? David George Bennett, Sarah Ann Greenwood Bennett. Birthplaces were in Llanidloes, Montgomershire, Wales, and Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales. They had several children including: Thomas Edward George Bennett, John George Greenwood Bennett, David George Bennett, Jennie (or Jane) Chinick Bennett, Nephi Albert Bennett, Benjamin Bennett. The eldest son, Thomas, married and Elizabeth or Elizabella Williams. I found their passenger listing coming to New York on the ship "Arizona" in 1884. They had 11 children: Sara Ann, Mary Elizabeth, Thomas Edward, Nephi Albert, John Rees, Jane Chinick, Mordecai William, David George, Alexander Benjamin, William Ivar, and Hazel Etta. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Taylor Ralston =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone on the list know where i can buy re: disc or find Parish registers for Llanelly Gelli-felin Brecon, looking for baptism and marriages of my Harrison family, Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

I would like a look-up for Edward Thomas in 1830. He would be in Llandegley Parish in the county of Radnor. He would be around 50 years old, give or take a few years. He had a son Evan who would be around 21 years old. Thank you connie

Dear List, Does anyone know please where I can find a Poll Books of Breconshire (I also want to find them for Monmouthshire and Cardiganshire) for the second half of the 1700's with thanks Diana

Do any of these names sound familiar? David George Bennett, Sarah Ann Greenwood Bennett. Birthplaces were in Llanidloes, Montgomershire, Wales, and Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales. They had several children including: Thomas Edward George Bennett, John George Greenwood Bennett, David George Bennett, Jennie (or Jane) Chinick Bennett, Nephi Albert Bennett, Benjamin Bennett. The eldest son, Thomas, married and Elizabeth or Elizabella Williams. I found their passenger listing coming to New York on the ship "Arizona" in 1884. They had 11 children: Sara Ann, Mary Elizabeth, Thomas Edward, Nephi Albert, John Rees, Jane Chinick, Mordecai William, David George, Alexander Benjamin, William Ivar, and Hazel Etta. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Taylor Ralston

Hi Dave, St John's is one of the 3 parishes within the modern town of Brecon. It is based on what is now the Cathedral of the Diocese of Swansea and Brecon, but was the original priory of Norman Foundation. Use the links as suggested by Rina Hilary -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rina Callingham Sent: 23 June 2007 17:39 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Parish of st john Brecon Hello Dave, It looks like St. John's is the parish church of Brecon itself. These 2 sites should help: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Brecon/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Brecon/StJohn/index.html Rina http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave warnes" <david1.warnes@ntlworld.com> To: <POWYS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: [POWYS] Parish of st john Brecon > Hello All > I have just received a marriage cert for my ancestors David Isaac and Ann > Davies, The parish they were married in was St John in the county of > Brecon in 1850. It also says Ann was living in St Johns at the time of her > marriage. Can anyone help me as to where this is? > Thanks > Dave =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/862 - Release Date: 22/06/2007 15:04 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/862 - Release Date: 22/06/2007 15:04