In a message dated 6/30/2007 2:45:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rhian.williams3@tinyworld.co.uk writes: Might she have died at the address of one of her children - if you have those addresses would the Registrar be able to at least bring the list down to a manageable / affordable number? Rhian That is a very good suggestion, and I will follow up on that. Thank you. I shall be in England/Wales twice this year, so on one of the visits I will definitely go to Welshpool and check it out. Georgina ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Might she have died at the address of one of her children - if you have those addresses would the Registrar be able to at least bring the list down to a manageable / affordable number? Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: <Suttonian1@aol.com> To: <POWYS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: [POWYS] Elizabeth Humphreys death > Hi, > > I am having such a tough time trying to find the death certificate or > burial > of my 3rd gt grandmother. > I initially wrote to the local RO but they couldn't find a death for her. > So I did the usual GRO and they had about 8 Elizabeth Humphreys for the > time > frame 1861-1871. > She is on the census with her hubby up until the 1871 when they are both > gone. > Lewis died 15 Feb 1871 at the same residence and I have his death > certificate. > > She died between the two census as she is on the 1861 census. > I know she was living at Tynyrwtra (a farm) in Berriew through all the > census records from 1841-1861 > and was married to Lewis Humphreys. > The GRO have informed me, after giving them all the references to check > for > the 8 women. > that they have two Elizabeth Humphreys with husbands named Lewis, but the > addresses are not corresponding to the address I have. > > How can I now determine her death? > > > > Georgina Goodby Fisher > formerly from Sutton Coldfield > now in Orange, Calif 6 miles east of Disneyland > One Name Study of Goodby > Goons Member No. 4148 > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello List Please could you tell me of the nearest churchyard to Tredustan other than Talgarth, and is it on disc. Thank you . Marian
In a message dated 6/28/2007 2:44:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, w.evans2@ntlworld.com writes: Georgina, Deaths from 1861-71 registered in Weshpool (for Berriew) are several for those with the initial "E". However, for the year 1871 there is the death of one Lewis Humphreys registered in the sub district of Tregynon(Ref: Tregynon 04/97). Details would be kept by the Registrar, Hazel Bolton in Newtown. Regards Alun Evans P.S. Tregynon is some nine miles from Berriew forming a circle of villages with Bettws Cedewain, Tregynon and Manafon followed by Berriew. Hi Alun Thank you. I am aware that there are several for Elizabeth Humphreys but cannot determine which one. I do have Lewis Humphreys death certificate for 1871. He is the right 3rd gt grandfther. I will check with the Registrar once again. Thanks Georgina ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Georgina, Deaths from 1861-71 registered in Weshpool (for Berriew) are several for those with the initial "E". However, for the year 1871 there is the death of one Lewis Humphreys registered in the sub district of Tregynon(Ref: Tregynon 04/97). Details would be kept by the Registrar, Hazel Bolton in Newtown. Regards Alun Evans P.S. Tregynon is some nine miles from Berriew forming a circle of villages with Bettws Cedewain, Tregynon and Manafon followed by Berriew.
Dear Listers, I received the following e-mail in response to my message (below) posted yesterday: ---------------- Hi thanks for the info - but not that family - The Martha (daughter of Thomas Davies married Oct 1837 - she married a miner resident at Pentwyn which I think is near Cwmcelyn Blain Mon. Her father was a Farmer in 1837 residence of Martha at time of wedding was Ty Cecil Rosser - it could be an area or a Farm yes? Thanks ---------------- I think these additional details may be of interest to a number of people on the List. Regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists Mary <mary.howells1@tesco.net> wrote: Looking for whereabouts e.g. area of a farm called Ty Cecil Rosser or maybe an area of Brynmawr or someone near. Thomas Davies daughter Martha living at Ty Cecil Rosser. Any ideas where this was? ============= Dear Mary, The 1841 census shows a family headed by Thomas Davies, forgeman, who has a five year old daughter Martha. His wife's name is recorded as "Titchfield Davies"! In 1841, the family was living in or near Davies Row in the parcel of Maesgwartha (sic), parish of Llanelly, Breconshire (census reference HO107/1366 Folio 41 Page 7). Maesygwartha included the former Llanelly Forge, about five miles east of Brynmawr. You can call up a highly detailed (1:10,560-scale) late 19th century map of the Maesygwartha area by going to the Old Maps website at: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx Using the search facility (near the top of the page) enter the numbers 324100 and 214200 into the two co-ordinates fields and click the GO button alongside. When the map appears, click on the "Enlarge Map" icon, the bottom of the four icons on the tab to the right of the map. A highly detailed large map of the area will open in a new window, centred on Maesgwartha. Unfortunately, the map identify neither "Ty Cecil Rosser" nor "Davies Row" but assuming I've located the correct family, at least you'll know the approximate area where they lived. Kind regards, John
Hi, I am having such a tough time trying to find the death certificate or burial of my 3rd gt grandmother. I initially wrote to the local RO but they couldn't find a death for her. So I did the usual GRO and they had about 8 Elizabeth Humphreys for the time frame 1861-1871. She is on the census with her hubby up until the 1871 when they are both gone. Lewis died 15 Feb 1871 at the same residence and I have his death certificate. She died between the two census as she is on the 1861 census. I know she was living at Tynyrwtra (a farm) in Berriew through all the census records from 1841-1861 and was married to Lewis Humphreys. The GRO have informed me, after giving them all the references to check for the 8 women. that they have two Elizabeth Humphreys with husbands named Lewis, but the addresses are not corresponding to the address I have. How can I now determine her death? Georgina Goodby Fisher formerly from Sutton Coldfield now in Orange, Calif 6 miles east of Disneyland One Name Study of Goodby Goons Member No. 4148 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Andrew, Thanks for finding all these names. I received another posting and they agreed with you on which one it probably is. At least it gives me something else to look into. Thanks again, Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Price<mailto:mailgroups@price.ac> To: powys@rootsweb.com<mailto:powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Ancestry - Breconshire, Wales Marriages, 1813-1837 Sorry - formatting looked OK when I hit send! Andrew Price www.pricetree.net<http://www.pricetree.net/> -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Price Sent: 20 June 2007 22:19 To: powys@rootsweb.com<mailto:powys@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Ancestry - Breconshire, Wales Marriages, 1813-1837 There are 25 David Jones's but only 1 in Talgarth: Breconshire, Wales Marriages, 1813-1837 about David Jones Name: David Jones Spouse: Mary Morris Marriage Date: 24 Jul 1828 Location: Talgarth License or Banns: Banns Comments: Groom - Widower The others are as follows: David Jones Mary Lloyd 8 Jun 1837 Builth David Jones Mary Jones 12 Jun 1829 Llanwrtyd David Jones Mary Morris 5 Dec 1828 Llan-Y-Wern David Jones Mary Gwynne 20 Jun 1813 Llanelly David Jones Mary Jones 18 May 1832 Llywel David Jones Mary Thomas 22 Feb 1817 Llanwrtyd David Jones Mary James 6 Dec 1819 Llanafan Fawr David Jones Mary Williams 23 Mar 1818 Brecon, St. Mary David Jones Mary Pugh 2 May 1817 Llanfeugan David Jones Mary Davies 10 May 1828 Vaynor David Jones Mary Madock 10 Jul 1819 Llangynidr David Jones Mary Williams 14 Dec 1829 Llanddeti David Jones Mary Morris 24 Jul 1828 Talgarth David Jones Mary Evans 22 Jul 1814 Llanfihangel Abergwesyn David Jones Mary Davies 1 Dec 1830 Llandeilo'R-Fan David Jones Mary Evans 19 Dec 1836 Vaynor David Jones Mary Herbert 8 Jul 1825 Llanfilo David Jones Mary Jones 4 Aug 1816 Brecon, St.David David Jones Mary Jones 14 Nov 1820 Llandyfaelog Fach David Jones Mary Jones 6 Sep 1824 Penderyn David Jones Mary Jones 23 May 1832 Llanwrthwl David Jones Mary Lewis 3 Oct 1835 Merthyr Cynog David Jones Mary Williams 27 Jul 1817 Brecon, St. Mary David Jones Mary Ann Beynon 18 Oct 1829 Llangattock David Jones Mary Anne Brown 6 Jul 1826 Llanelly This could be his parents: Breconshire, Wales Marriages, 1813-1837 <http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1175&enc=1<http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1175&enc=1>> about Jenkin Jones Name: Jenkin Jones Spouse: Mary Jones Marriage Date: 31 Jul 1835 Location: Crickadarn License or Banns: Banns No Rees Prosser & Mary =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm<http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POWYS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm<http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POWYS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Rina, I wanted to thank you for the info on David and Mary. I'll have to do some more digging to see what comes of it. You have a neat website. Thanks again, Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: Rina Callingham<mailto:emma.callingham@tesco.net> To: powys@rootsweb.com<mailto:powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Ancestry - Breconshire, Wales Marriages, 1813-1837 Hi Anita, No apparent match for Rees Prosser and Mary (1815 +/- 10), although there was a John Prosser and a Mary Price married at Llangorse 9th July 1816. As you would expect there were several possible results for David Jones and Mary, but only 1 was associated with one of the placenames that you mentioned: David Jones & Mary Morris 24th July 1828, Talgarth Rina Ref: ancestry.com http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html<http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANITA MCKINNEY" <newtonmac@msn.com<mailto:newtonmac@msn.com>> To: <powys@rootsweb.com<mailto:powys@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Ancestry - Breconshire, Wales Marriages, 1813-1837 > Would anyone be willing to look up 2 sets of couples on this database for > me? I have the US version of it but the World subscription is out of my > price range. The people I am looking for are: > > David Jones (b. 1804-1806 Llanelieu, Hay Dist., Breconshire, Wales) Son of > Jenkin & Mary Jones > Mary Unknown (b. 1810 Llanigon, Hay Dist., Breconshire, Wales) Parents are > unknown > Their first child, John R. Jones, was born on 6-1-1830 Talgarth, Hay > Dist., Breconshire, Wales > > Rees Prosser (b. 1775-1776 Cerrigcadarn, Breconshire, Wales) Parents are > unknown > Mary Unknown (b. 1784-1786 Llangorse, Brecknock Dist., Breconshire, Wales) > Parents are unknown > Their first child, Magdalen, was born in 1819 Cwmdu, Crickhowell Reg. > Dist., Breconshire, Wales > =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm<http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POWYS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Just a reminder that this month's meeting of the Radnor Group will take place at 7pm tonight in Llanddewi Village Hall - Speaker Dr. Eric Bissel on Dr. Johnson & his Dictionary - all welcome. We apologise for not being able to get posters out this time. Vera Brown Membership Secretary Powys FHS
I also had forebears who were either described as hauliers or alternatively Ostler, having known my grandfather who was involved with it as a boy; primarily they had been involved with horses and used the carts to move dead or sick horses and the hauling was a bye product of that. A little ditty: my grandfather would bleed horses via the jugular vein when they had a high temperature, flu etc, it could save the horses life; his youngest brother died of the flu circa 1901 and my grandfather never forgave himself for not having bled his brother: it troubled him greatly. Rhodri -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Connie Sent: 28 June 2007 00:29 To: Powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Occupation question In the year 1866 what would a Haulier do? Thanks connie =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this message has not been received by the intended recipient; please delete it from your system and inform: mailmaster@rhod.net thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Mary, There is still farm or place called Ty Rosser by the main road near Llanafanfawr in NW Breconshire...... Dennis Cleaton RAD, Powys.
Dear Connie - I have several hauliers in my family. They hauled things usually by horse and cart. Mine were coal merchants but they could be hauling anything really I suppose. Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <waffles03@verizon.net> To: <Powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:29 AM Subject: [POWYS] Occupation question > In the year 1866 what would a Haulier do? > > Thanks connie > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
In the year 1866 what would a Haulier do? Thanks connie
The majority of burial grounds in Breconshire, Radnorshire & some Montgomeryshire have now been recorded by the Powys Family History Society and are available, some in bookform, all on fiche from the Society Librarians of each County. The burial index for Radnorshire has just been released on CD. Copies are available from Mike MacSorley, - m.macsorley@btopenworld.com Vera Brown Membership Secretary Powys FHS Pauline Lowe <pauline_lowe@btinternet.com> wrote: In the last couple of years when researching my family history I have becaome very aware of the vulnerability of memorial stones through weathering and plant growth which can lead to valuable evidence of our ancestors being lost to us. I know that efforts are being made to record this information but already in some cases it is too late. I have started to copy the inscriptions in the small churchyard in Tirabad and my husband is taking photographs of the headstones. If there is anyone who has a family member buried there but cannot visit in person, we shall be happy to provide you with what information there is. There have been some recent postings on this list regarding Llywel names. >From Tirabad we often take the road over the Eppynt which comes out by Llywel church and we could stop on our way and photograph a headstone of particular interest there. We would do the same for Llangammarch. However I would stress that we would need to know that the person or family was definitely buried at these places. Unfortunately we do not have any Breconshire family burials in our own history but have been very grateful for help given to us by rootsweb list members in other counties in the UK and would like to reciprocate in some way! Pauline =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mary <mary.howells1@tesco.net> wrote: Looking for whereabouts e.g. area of a farm called Ty Cecil Rosser or maybe an area of Brynmawr or someone near. Thomas Davies daughter Martha living at Ty Cecil Rosser. Any ideas where this was? ============= Dear Mary, The 1841 census shows a family headed by Thomas Davies, forgeman, who has a five year old daughter Martha. His wife's name is recorded as "Titchfield Davies"! In 1841, the family was living in or near Davies Row in the parcel of Maesgwartha (sic), parish of Llanelly, Breconshire (census reference HO107/1366 Folio 41 Page 7). Maesygwartha included the former Llanelly Forge, about five miles east of Brynmawr. You can call up a highly detailed (1:10,560-scale) late 19th century map of the Maesygwartha area by going to the Old Maps website at: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx Using the search facility (near the top of the page) enter the numbers 324100 and 214200 into the two co-ordinates fields and click the GO button alongside. When the map appears, click on the "Enlarge Map" icon, the bottom of the four icons on the tab to the right of the map. A highly detailed large map of the area will open in a new window, centred on Maesgwartha. Unfortunately, the map identify neither "Ty Cecil Rosser" nor "Davies Row" but assuming I've located the correct family, at least you'll know the approximate area where they lived. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists
In the last couple of years when researching my family history I have becaome very aware of the vulnerability of memorial stones through weathering and plant growth which can lead to valuable evidence of our ancestors being lost to us. I know that efforts are being made to record this information but already in some cases it is too late. I have started to copy the inscriptions in the small churchyard in Tirabad and my husband is taking photographs of the headstones. If there is anyone who has a family member buried there but cannot visit in person, we shall be happy to provide you with what information there is. There have been some recent postings on this list regarding Llywel names. >From Tirabad we often take the road over the Eppynt which comes out by Llywel church and we could stop on our way and photograph a headstone of particular interest there. We would do the same for Llangammarch. However I would stress that we would need to know that the person or family was definitely buried at these places. Unfortunately we do not have any Breconshire family burials in our own history but have been very grateful for help given to us by rootsweb list members in other counties in the UK and would like to reciprocate in some way! Pauline
THOMAS DAVIES DAUGHTER MARTHA LIVING AT TY CECIL ROSSER ANY IDEAS WHERE THIS WAS
Looking for whereabouts e.g. area of a farm called Ty Cecil Rosser or maybe an area of Brynmawr or someone near. Mary
Hi, If you are a HARRIES/HARRIS/HARRISS, you, or your relatives, may be interested in the following research. There is a project which is studying the DNA of HARRISes (and all variants) around the world at:- http://www.harrisdna.org/ It also has an entry on Wikipedia at:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HARRIS_Surname_DNA_Project Its aim is to give genealogy researchers direction in finding their origin, which is often difficult with a common surname such as HARRIES/HARRIS/HARRISS. Note that before 1800 spellings often changed as people moved around so many people with different spellings of HARRIS, HARRISS, HARRIES, etc may be related. Take a look at the URL and decide for yourself. At minimum you should do the 37 marker test which, as well as seeing if you are related to any of the existing families, will indicate whether your DNA is Anglo-saxon, Celtic, Norse Viking, etc. As most HARRISes originated from France/Britain/Spain most will be anglo-saxon but you never know, you may well be more exotic. The project is of particular interest to HARRISes in Wales as one of the original Norman HARRIS families is thought to orginate there (see the Wikipedia link). There may well be descendants of this family still in Wales to this very day. Best Wishes and please let other HARRISes know about this project. Thanks:-)