Dear Ruth, -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of rufhay@aol.com Sent: 16 July 2007 15:32 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD, EDWARDS Dear Myra I am in the library again - still having terrible problems with my braodband installation & Virgin media are taking forever to sort it out.? I did get the marriage certificate though -Thank you for that.? I am surprised that the church is just called Llanfihangel as there were several!!!? Are you totally sure it was Llanfihangel Rhydithon? Was Anna Maria at home with her father David in Cwmdauddwr ? (this is currently the favoured spelling, I believe!!? Lloyd Lewis lives there - & some of my ancestors did too).? I am sure that someone will have told you thatTy newydd means New House (& of course, again there were lots!!) I do hope that your trip to the archives was productive & that you saw a bit of the locality. Would love to hear about it when you have time.? I am hoping that they will finally fix up my braidband connection on Saturday (should have been today) but I will probably come into the library during the week anyway. Best regards, Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Myra Duffy <myra.duffy@myraduffy.me.uk> To: powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 3.41pm Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD, EDWARDS Dear Listers, I have found an address for an ancestor on the 1841 census. The family are David Edwards and his wife and children - a farmer I believe. His address is: Tynewydd, Cwm-Toyddwr, Dyffryn-Gwy. (Reg. District Rhayader & Nantmel. Civil Parish: Cwm-Toyddwr) I believe this to be in the area around the Elan Valley but can't find it on any maps. Could anyone tell me - a) Exactly where it may be? b) What does 'Cwm' mean in a place name (I've met it several times now!) 'Gwy' or any of the above!! Thank you for any help you may be able to give me, Myra =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am hoping that there may be a member that might be able to assist me. The information which I have from a death certificate is that a William Morgan or maybe Richards was living in Pantyryn Newbridge, Mon in May 1911. Is there an electoral roll or other record to inform me of all the occupants of Pantyryn, Newbridge, Mon. Any helpwould be very much appreciated. Thankyou. Alun.

I think Lynn intended this message (below) to go to the whole List rather than to me personally. Regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Joint Administrator for POWYS (and BRE, MGY, & RAD) mailing lists ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn xxxx <beachcombers259@msn.com> To: john@jlb2005.plus.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: RE: [POWYS] [Powys] UK Census Thank you all for replying to my question, now then tell me how could one verify a family living such as in a place called TyCroes, and the members of that family if not using the uk census during that time frame? I am at a point where there are a few missing threads in my research and need to tie them up so to speak. Like for instance the family of Hughes that lived in TyCroes and then my Gr-Grandfather, Ellis ROBERTS who lived in Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire and was known as a "tailor". I have suspected he had remarried and thus making a ROBERTS marrying a ROBERTS, but wanted to check further...... I had paid for ancestry.com for a year and well most of that information I had already. Could anyone help me with this as I live in the States, and am at a standstill. Regards, Lynn Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!

Lynn <beachcombers259@msn.com> wrote: Could anyone tell me if there is a possibility of the 1911 census ever being released in the near future. I live in the States and well we have access to census records as late as 1930. For some reason I find the UK slow in releasing their census information.......can anyone offer an explanation as to why? ================= Dear Lynn, Rhiannon and Andrew are right to point out the significance of the 100-year closure rule that applies to UK censuses. Under this rule, the 1911 census cannot be released until the first working day of 2012. However, there has been some discussion about releasing details early under the Freedom of Information Act. For further details see The National Archives website at: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/110.htm Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator for POWYS (and BRE, MGY, & RAD) mailing lists

I intended my letter to Myra to be to her own email address - sorry for the mistake. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: rufhay@aol.com To: powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 3.31pm Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD, EDWARDS Dear Myra I am in the library again - still having terrible problems with my braodband installation & Virgin media are taking forever to sort it out.? I did get the marriage certificate though -Thank you for that.? I am surprised that the church is just called Llanfihangel as there were several!!!? Are you totally sure it was Llanfihangel Rhydithon? Was Anna Maria at home with her father David in Cwmdauddwr ? (this is currently the favoured spelling, I believe!!? Lloyd Lewis lives there - & some of my ancestors did too).? I am sure that someone will have told you thatTy newydd means New House (& of course, again there were lots!!) I do hope that your trip to the archives was productive & that you saw a bit of the locality. Would love to hear about it when you have time.? I am hoping that they will finally fix up my braidband connection on Saturday (should have been today) but I will probably come into the library during the week anyway. Best regards, Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Myra Duffy <myra.duffy@myraduffy.me.uk> To: powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 3.41pm Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD, EDWARDS Dear Listers, I have found an address for an ancestor on the 1841 census. The family are David Edwards and his wife and children - a farmer I believe. His address is: Tynewydd, Cwm-Toyddwr, Dyffryn-Gwy. (Reg. District Rhayader & Nantmel. Civil Parish: Cwm-Toyddwr) I believe this to be in the area around the Elan Valley but can't find it on any maps. Could anyone tell me - a) Exactly where it may be? b) What does 'Cwm' mean in a place name (I've met it several times now!) 'Gwy' or any of the above!! Thank you for any help you may be able to give me, Myra =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Dear Myra I am in the library again - still having terrible problems with my braodband installation & Virgin media are taking forever to sort it out.? I did get the marriage certificate though -Thank you for that.? I am surprised that the church is just called Llanfihangel as there were several!!!? Are you totally sure it was Llanfihangel Rhydithon? Was Anna Maria at home with her father David in Cwmdauddwr ? (this is currently the favoured spelling, I believe!!? Lloyd Lewis lives there - & some of my ancestors did too).? I am sure that someone will have told you thatTy newydd means New House (& of course, again there were lots!!) I do hope that your trip to the archives was productive & that you saw a bit of the locality. Would love to hear about it when you have time.? I am hoping that they will finally fix up my braidband connection on Saturday (should have been today) but I will probably come into the library during the week anyway. Best regards, Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Myra Duffy <myra.duffy@myraduffy.me.uk> To: powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 3.41pm Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD, EDWARDS Dear Listers, I have found an address for an ancestor on the 1841 census. The family are David Edwards and his wife and children - a farmer I believe. His address is: Tynewydd, Cwm-Toyddwr, Dyffryn-Gwy. (Reg. District Rhayader & Nantmel. Civil Parish: Cwm-Toyddwr) I believe this to be in the area around the Elan Valley but can't find it on any maps. Could anyone tell me - a) Exactly where it may be? b) What does 'Cwm' mean in a place name (I've met it several times now!) 'Gwy' or any of the above!! Thank you for any help you may be able to give me, Myra =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Without getting into too many of the technicalities its a confidentiality thing. Census returns hold personal data and are therefore covered by a 100-year confidentiality agreement. To a certain extent its being applied retrospectively in the case of the 1911 census as the rule didn't exist in the same form back then but the effect is the same - it won't be released until 2011. It's not a matter of being slow - its a deliberate policy decision. -------Original Message------- From: Lynn xxxx Subject: [POWYS] Uk Census Sent: 15 Jul '07 23:54 Could anyone tell me if there is a possibility of the 1911 census ever being released in the near future. I live in the States and well we have access to census records as late as 1930. For some reason I find the UK slow in releasing their census information.......can anyone offer an explanation as to why? Lynn _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there. [LINK: http://newlivehotmail.com/] http://newlivehotmail.com =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [LINK: http://mbox.price.ac/compose.php?to=POWYS-request@rootsweb.com] POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Theres a 100 year gap between the taking of a census and its release to the public so the census of 1911 will be released in 2011 Rhiannon -----Original Message----- From: Lynn xxxx <beachcombers259@msn.com> To: powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12.54am Subject: [POWYS] Uk Census ould anyone tell me if there is a possibility of the 1911 census ever being eleased in the near future. I live in the States and well we have access to ensus records as late as 1930. For some reason I find the UK slow in releasing heir census information.......can anyone offer an explanation as to why? Lynn ________________________________________________________________ ee what you’re getting into…before you go there. ttp://newlivehotmail.com =================== isit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Could anyone tell me if there is a possibility of the 1911 census ever being released in the near future. I live in the States and well we have access to census records as late as 1930. For some reason I find the UK slow in releasing their census information.......can anyone offer an explanation as to why? Lynn _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there. http://newlivehotmail.com

Pictures of: Oystermouth Castle, Mumbles (GLA); and Mumbles Head (GLA) Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my website, include: 1. The historic Oystermouth Castle at Mumbles, Swansea, in the county of Glamorgan (eight pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1998. 2. A distant view of Mumbles Head, Mumbles, in the county of Glamorgan (one picture). This feature was one of the very first shown on 'Images of Wales', back in December 1997. As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Hi Just to add a note of confusion to previous answers to this query. There is a farm in Llandegley parish called Eaglestone, which on the 1841 census was in inhabited by a Thomas family. Nearby is another farm named Abermithel ======================================== Message Received: Jul 12 2007, 02:54 PM From: "Connie" To: Powys@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [POWYS] Residence name Would anyone on here know where Eagle Stone would be in Radnor? This is the residence for Evan Thomas in 1837. Also where Alocrmythil is? I'm not sure of the spelling. Thanks Connie =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the farm Abermithal, is there a Wild or Wilde family living there? Thanks connie ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Morgan. To: Connie ; powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [POWYS] Residence name -Eaglestone Hi Just to add a note of confusion to previous answers to this query. There is a farm in Llandegley parish called Eaglestone, which on the 1841 census was in inhabited by a Thomas family. Nearby is another farm named Abermithel ======================================== Message Received: Jul 12 2007, 02:54 PM From: "Connie" To: Powys@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [POWYS] Residence name Would anyone on here know where Eagle Stone would be in Radnor? This is the residence for Evan Thomas in 1837. Also where Alocrmythil is? I'm not sure of the spelling. Thanks Connie =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi researchers, Do you have any data on the Wynnstay Estate? Edward JONES and Mary Ellen EVANS JONES, my 2 great grand aunt, lived on Llwynmoelgae farm [grove near the bare field] on the Wynnstay Estate. Their children born between 1840 and 1855 in Llanfihangel yng Ngwynfa, Powys Co. [aka Montgomershire Co.] Wales were: * John Evans JONES, Edward Evans JONES, Elizabeth JONES, Evan Addision JONES, Jane M. JONES, David W. JONES, and Thomas JONES [died at sea 1856 when family emigrated through New York City to Iowa, USA]. Thanks in advance, Janice Hughes Jordan in U.S.A. <jnrose@webtv.net>

Dear List, I wonder if anyone knows about a George L Crook aged 29 born Bristol on the 1881 census. He was living at 56 North Road Bristol with his wife Alice aged 24 born Tredegar and her mother Eliza Marsden (nee Jenkins) aged 64 born Tredegar along with all their children. with thanks Diana

On reading Vera's reply can I presume Mary 60 is the independent. Does this mean that she lived off her own means? I didn't think this was noted on the 1841 census? Lesley -----

Hello Connie I think you're looking for Aberthmithin Parish of Llansaintffraidd Cwmdeuddwr Township of Duffryn/Elan In 1841 the following THOMAS family lived there. (all adult ages rouned down to nearest 5 years) Isabella 35; John 35; Thomas 12; Mary 10 Margaret 8; Elizabeth 6; John 5; Pursilla 3; Thomas 1 & Mary 60 (an independent). Hope this helps Vera Brown Membership Secretary Powys FHS Connie <waffles03@verizon.net> wrote: Would anyone on here know where Eagle Stone would be in Radnor? This is the residence for Evan Thomas in 1837. Also where Alocrmythil is? I'm not sure of the spelling. Thanks Connie =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much. connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb" <barbmck@hotmail.com> To: "Connie" <waffles03@verizon.net>; <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Residence name > Try Google, there were a few sights for Eagle Stone, Radnor but couldn't > find anything on Alocrmythil. Are you sure of the spelling. > > Barb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie" <waffles03@verizon.net> > To: <Powys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:55 AM > Subject: [POWYS] Residence name > > >> Would anyone on here know where Eagle Stone would be in Radnor? This is >> the residence for Evan Thomas in 1837. Also where Alocrmythil is? I'm >> not sure of the spelling. Thanks Connie >> >> =================== >> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: >> www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Would anyone on here know where Eagle Stone would be in Radnor? This is the residence for Evan Thomas in 1837. Also where Alocrmythil is? I'm not sure of the spelling. Thanks Connie

Try Google, there were a few sights for Eagle Stone, Radnor but couldn't find anything on Alocrmythil. Are you sure of the spelling. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <waffles03@verizon.net> To: <Powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: [POWYS] Residence name > Would anyone on here know where Eagle Stone would be in Radnor? This is > the residence for Evan Thomas in 1837. Also where Alocrmythil is? I'm > not sure of the spelling. Thanks Connie > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Rhian, Thank you for your translation. I'm hoping to visit the village tomorrow and didn't know where to start looking! There are a lot of Valleys in Radnorshire, but only one River Wye! I'll ask at the Archive Office (Llandrindod Wells)to see if they have heard of the address and get back to the list in case any others ever need to know! Thank you again for such a quick response - I'm very grateful, Myra -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Rhian Williams Sent: 09 July 2007 20:45 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD, EDWARDS Myra, Cwm is Valley (as is Dyffryn, though that tends to be a bigger valley) Gwy is the original Welsh version of Wye (the River Wye) Might another spelling of Cwm-Toyddwr be Cwm Deuddwr? The valley of two waters ie where two rivers join? I can imagine someone with quite a strong accent pronouncing the latter correct spelling as Toyddwr. Sorry, I don't know where it is though. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Duffy" <myra.duffy@myraduffy.me.uk> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD, EDWARDS > > Dear Listers, > > I have found an address for an ancestor on the 1841 census. > The family are David Edwards and his wife and children - a farmer I > believe. > > His address is: > > Tynewydd, Cwm-Toyddwr, Dyffryn-Gwy. > > (Reg. District Rhayader & Nantmel. > Civil Parish: Cwm-Toyddwr) > > I believe this to be in the area around the Elan Valley but can't find it > on > any maps. > > Could anyone tell me - > a) Exactly where it may be? > b) What does 'Cwm' mean in a place name (I've met it several times now!) > 'Gwy' or any of the above!! > > Thank you for any help you may be able to give me, > > Myra > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message