Margaret, The following link is for passenger lists to Canada 1865 to 1922. I've been trying to find Thomas Drew and family who sailed to Canada in 1912 and have found this website very interesting. [Haven't found the Drew's yet though I did find my mother's father and his family in 1912]. http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/index-e.html I hope this is helpful. I agree with John that Kamloops is a beautiful area. Carrol Drew -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian & Margaret Harvey Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:56 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Sailing to Canada from Wales in 1888 Hi everyone, Thomas Jones, one of my ancestors left Wales about 1888 to sail to Canada. He was born in Llangurig, Montgomeryshire but I think I have found him working as an "Iron baller" and lodging in Merthyr Tydfil in 1881. I am hoping someone can tell me from which port he would be likely to have sailed and also where he would disembark on arrival in Canada. His final destination was the Kamloops area of British Columbia and I will be grateful for any help and suggestions. Regards, Margaret Harvey

Good Morning Roger and Ian, My 3x great-grandparents, Evan EVANS and Elizabeth (neee POWELL), farmed at Llwynmeurig in the 1800's and the farm is still in the family. More cousins farm at YnyPwlluchaf, Ynysfawr. My GEORGE ancestors farmed at Pwlluchaf, Traeanglas. Other families that I am researching in the Llywel area - POWELL, MORGAN, LLEWELYN and JONES. Have we any links? Regards, Alison -----Original Message----- Further to Alison's reply, Cwmwysk is frequently referred to in local documents as the farm in the bottom of the valley about 1 mile south west of Trecastle, just below, in a physical sense, the Trecastle to Llanddeusant road. The adjacent (nearby) properties include Ynysfawr and Pwllisaf. ..........who are you interested in ?

Hi Margaret You probably know all this already. For people leaving the UK: http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/ Canada passenger lists (yet to be made avail online for this time frame): http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-130-e.html (Side note: I ordered my grandfather's record from this site, and found them speedy in their reply). More info on the Ships List: http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#1919 HtH, Alison On 27/07/07, Brian & Margaret Harvey <bgh-mgh@teanstaffs.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Thomas Jones, one of my ancestors left Wales about 1888 to sail to Canada. He was born in Llangurig, Montgomeryshire but I think I have found him working as an "Iron baller" and lodging in Merthyr Tydfil in 1881. I am hoping someone can tell me from which port he would be likely to have sailed and also where he would disembark on arrival in Canada. His final destination was the Kamloops area of British Columbia and I will be grateful for any help and suggestions. > > Regards, > Margaret Harvey > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, Thomas Jones, one of my ancestors left Wales about 1888 to sail to Canada. He was born in Llangurig, Montgomeryshire but I think I have found him working as an "Iron baller" and lodging in Merthyr Tydfil in 1881. I am hoping someone can tell me from which port he would be likely to have sailed and also where he would disembark on arrival in Canada. His final destination was the Kamloops area of British Columbia and I will be grateful for any help and suggestions. Regards, Margaret Harvey

Ian, Further to Alison's reply, Cwmwysk is frequently referred to in local documents as the farm in the bottom of the valley about 1 mile south west of Trecastle, just below, in a physical sense, the Trecastle to Llanddeusant road. The adjacent (nearby) properties include Ynysfawr and Pwllisaf. May I also add to Alison's query, who are you interested in ? Regards Roger M. Evans

Margaret Your ancestor was a smart man to head to Kamloops, a beautiful area. I believe all the records that remain are in Ottawa. There were several collecting points along the way up the St Lawrence. Regardless, I have heard that many of the ship documents to Canada were lost in a fire but I would be looking in Ottawa if I were you. Best of luck. John -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian & Margaret Harvey Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:56 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Sailing to Canada from Wales in 1888 Hi everyone, Thomas Jones, one of my ancestors left Wales about 1888 to sail to Canada. He was born in Llangurig, Montgomeryshire but I think I have found him working as an "Iron baller" and lodging in Merthyr Tydfil in 1881. I am hoping someone can tell me from which port he would be likely to have sailed and also where he would disembark on arrival in Canada. His final destination was the Kamloops area of British Columbia and I will be grateful for any help and suggestions. Regards, Margaret Harvey =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, He could have sailed from Liverpool and arrived in Grosse Isle, Quebec. If you know his death date, I can get you his death registration in B. C. Carole Vancouver, B. C. -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John Steitz Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:52 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Sailing to Canada from Wales in 1888 Margaret Your ancestor was a smart man to head to Kamloops, a beautiful area. I believe all the records that remain are in Ottawa. There were several collecting points along the way up the St Lawrence. Regardless, I have heard that many of the ship documents to Canada were lost in a fire but I would be looking in Ottawa if I were you. Best of luck. John -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian & Margaret Harvey Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:56 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Sailing to Canada from Wales in 1888 Hi everyone, Thomas Jones, one of my ancestors left Wales about 1888 to sail to Canada. He was born in Llangurig, Montgomeryshire but I think I have found him working as an "Iron baller" and lodging in Merthyr Tydfil in 1881. I am hoping someone can tell me from which port he would be likely to have sailed and also where he would disembark on arrival in Canada. His final destination was the Kamloops area of British Columbia and I will be grateful for any help and suggestions. Regards, Margaret Harvey =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, Thank you to Alison and Doug for their replies. I am trying to trace 1881 census at Ynyshir, Llanfiagel Nant Bran, Jane Pierce abt 1852 Abertilery Niece Llanfihangel Nantbrane Breconshire Margaret J. Pierce abt 1878 Cwmwysk, Breconshire, Wales Visitor Llanfihangel Nantbrane Breconshire The head of household wasJeffrey Price abt 1815 Llandilofan, Breconshire, Wales Head Llanfihangel Nantbrane Breconshire I think Margaret J could be a daughter of Jane, Jane was a Widow. I am trying so solve a very old family mystery, and every so often I have another go at it. Regards, Ian. Hello Ian, Cwmwysg is near Trecastle. Who are you looking for? Regards, Alison

Hello All, I have been following along on Ian's inquiry and by odd coincidence I think I know who Jeffrey Price is. But it may not be Jeffrey who Ian is primarily interested in. I have been recently studying the Llandeilo'r Fan BT's at the LDS for the name Price and just the other day found the following entry: Christening 3 November, 1813 of Jeffrey spurious son of Jeffrey Price This will not help Ian follow the Pierce people in 1881but I thought it was quite a coincidence. Regards Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Moseley" <moseley.ian@virgin.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Place name Cwmwysk, Breconshire > Hello All, > Thank you to Alison and Doug for their replies. > > I am trying to trace > > 1881 census at Ynyshir, Llanfiagel Nant Bran, > > Jane Pierce abt 1852 Abertilery Niece Llanfihangel Nantbrane Breconshire > Margaret J. Pierce abt 1878 Cwmwysk, Breconshire, Wales Visitor Llanfihangel > Nantbrane Breconshire > The head of household wasJeffrey Price abt 1815 Llandilofan, Breconshire, > Wales Head Llanfihangel > Nantbrane Breconshire > > I think Margaret J could be a daughter of Jane, Jane was a Widow. > > I am trying so solve a very old family mystery, and every so often I have > another go at it. > > Regards, > Ian. > > > > > > Hello Ian, > > Cwmwysg is near Trecastle. Who are you looking for? > > Regards, > Alison > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 07/25/2007 2:55 PM > >

Hello Ian, Cwmwysg is near Trecastle. Who are you looking for? Regards, Alison

Hello all, I am trying to decifer an entry on the 1881 census and the place has me baffled, Cwmwysk, Breconshire, Has anyone any ideas please? Many thanks, Ian.

Hi ALUN, I used to live in Newbridge-on-Wye but I have not heard of PANTYRYN as such. Do you have any other data please? Yrs, Dennis Cleaton,?? dcleatond@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: ALUN883@aol.com To: powys@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12.06pm Subject: [POWYS] Newbridge. I am hoping that there may be a member that might be able to assist me. The information which I have from a death certificate is that a William Morgan or maybe Richards was living in Pantyryn Newbridge, Mon in May 1911. Is there an electoral roll or other record to inform me of all the occupants of Pantyryn, Newbridge, Mon. Any helpwould be very much appreciated. Thankyou. Alun. =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Hello Mike, It isn't bureaucracy gone mad. You assumed that because John and Ann shared the same index number that they married each other. This isn't necessarily the case as up to 8 people might share an index reference. By not stating the name of the bride you were looking for, you didn't give the GRO an opportunity to perform a reference check to ensure you received the correct certificate. We've all made these expensive errors :-) Rina http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Cox" <micoxcox@btinternet.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Church or Civil Ceremony Llanfyllin > Hello. > > You're not the only one with Llanfyllin anomalies. I had this recent > e mail exchange with GRO: > > I received a marriage certificate today. When ordered I specified the > information from the original BMD index JOHN JONES marrying ANN JONES > in the March quarter of 1856, Llanfyllin district. JOHN was cross > referenced with ANN for 11b 375. > > The certificate is for JOHN JONES marrying MARY JONES. Can you please > check that a mistake hasn't been made and I have been sent the wrong > certificate. > -------------------------------- > I have checked your online order and Unfortunatley the only > information you > supplied was the mans name and GRO Index number. There was no mention of > the woman's name on your application. > > I regret that we are unable to accept the return of the certificate or > issue a refund as the certificate was produced from the reference you > quoted : > -------------------------------- > I'm not after a refund. The reference quoted is from the BMD index. > John Jones has that reference and ANN Jones has that reference. The > woman's name on the marriage certificate you sent me is MARY. It's > not rocket science to conclude there is an error somewhere!!!! > -------------------------------- > > Surely it isn't possible to make a transcription error between ANN > and MARY but there doesn't seem to be any attempt to correct errors. > Smells like bureaucratic obduracy to me! > > Heddwch > > Mike. > > Mike Llywelyn Cox > micoxcox@btinternet.com > http://www.ppeyes.org.uk > http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com > A http://www.solnetwork.org.uk member.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:59:08 EDT FrostSES@aol.com posted the following message : >Hello Bryn > >I have just cross referenced checked on the full Marriage Index and they are >both there i.e. David Lloyd and Elizabeth Evans Apr 1838 Llanfyllin 27 119. >So it must be a transcription error. <snipped> Hello Shirley, Not necessarily :-) The GRO reference does not point to one single marriage - in fact, at that time, there were usually eight names (four marriages) with the same reference. The system was changed in 1852, and from then onwards there were four names (two marriages) with the same reference. If you find two names in the GRO marriage index with the same reference, it should not be assumed that they married one another! -- Regards, Vic Roberts vroberts@nildram.co.uk

Hello. You're not the only one with Llanfyllin anomalies. I had this recent e mail exchange with GRO: I received a marriage certificate today. When ordered I specified the information from the original BMD index JOHN JONES marrying ANN JONES in the March quarter of 1856, Llanfyllin district. JOHN was cross referenced with ANN for 11b 375. The certificate is for JOHN JONES marrying MARY JONES. Can you please check that a mistake hasn't been made and I have been sent the wrong certificate. -------------------------------- I have checked your online order and Unfortunatley the only information you supplied was the mans name and GRO Index number. There was no mention of the woman's name on your application. I regret that we are unable to accept the return of the certificate or issue a refund as the certificate was produced from the reference you quoted : -------------------------------- I'm not after a refund. The reference quoted is from the BMD index. John Jones has that reference and ANN Jones has that reference. The woman's name on the marriage certificate you sent me is MARY. It's not rocket science to conclude there is an error somewhere!!!! -------------------------------- Surely it isn't possible to make a transcription error between ANN and MARY but there doesn't seem to be any attempt to correct errors. Smells like bureaucratic obduracy to me! Heddwch Mike. Mike Llywelyn Cox micoxcox@btinternet.com http://www.ppeyes.org.uk http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com A http://www.solnetwork.org.uk member. On 23 Jul 2007, at 14:02, FrostSES@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Lister > > I ordered a marriage certificate from Welshpool for Llanfyllin. I > have just > received the following email:- > > Please could you state if this was a church or civil ceremony. The > reference > you have provided is the GRO Index reference and will not help us > locate > the correct entry. Once we have received your request we will > search for the > correct entry and issue you with a certificate. > > Does anyone on the list know how I can find out whether it was a > Church or > Civil Ceremony please? > > I have tried finding the marriage on North Wales BMD but could it > only find > it on Ancestry. > > Best wishes > Shirley > > > > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Vic Sorry I have only just noticed your thread ~ I'm afraid I am guilty of assuming in this particular case ~ I know David Lloyd married Elizabeth and she is the only Elizabeth on Ancestry. All will be revealed in due time and I will probably be proved wrong (again). Thank you for your thoughts. Kind regards Shirley

Hi everyone I have been trying to send an email to Supt. Regr. Mid Powys today and it just keeps being returned to me. I don't want him to think I am not grateful for his email, I'm sure he will read this at some stage, so thank you very much, I will be contacting them tomorrow. I particularly want this marriage to be David Lloyd and Elizabeth Evans because it stands a chance of my Great Grandfather being brought up by an Aunt of his mother's, who died after his birth. If it is Elizabeth Jones I don't think there will be a connection, not on this branch anyway, although I have plenty of other Jones's (including John). Welshpool office isn't there until tomorrow, when I'm sure everything will become clear. Kind regards Shirley

Doug Evans <douglas.j.evans@mchsi.com> wrote: Now I just need to figure out if it was a YES or a NO! I suspect it was a yes. ================== Dear Doug, In fact, it's a NO. According to the 1841 census, your Thomas Evans was *not* born in the county (Breconshire) in which he was residing in 1841. This is consistent with his being born in Cregrina (RAD). Source: HO107/1365/8 Folio 11 Page 5. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Evans Family - Cregrina Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:10:50 +0000 Doug Evans <douglas.j.evans@mchsi.com> wrote: Looking for information regarding the ancestors of Thomas Evans, b. 1800 Cregrina, Radnorshire, Wales. In 1841 and 1851 he and his family were living in Llanddewi'r Cwm at Dollinwydd Mill. The 1851 census states he was b. Cregrina. Does anyone have access to the 1841 census? Looking to see if that census said he was from Cregina too. ================== Dear Doug, The 1841 census forms did not ask for any detailed birthplace information. They merely asked whether an individual was born in the county in which he was residing in 1841. The question only required a YES or NO answer. Kind regards, John

thanks John. Now I just need to figure out if it was a YES or a NO! I suspect it was a yes. Regards Doug ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Evans Family - Cregrina Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:10:50 +0000 > Doug Evans <douglas.j.evans@mchsi.com> wrote: > Looking for information regarding the ancestors of Thomas Evans, b. 1800 > Cregrina, Radnorshire, Wales. In 1841 and 1851 he and his family were living > in Llanddewi'r Cwm at Dollinwydd Mill. The 1851 census states he was b. > Cregrina. Does anyone have access to the > 1841 census? Looking to see if that census said he was from Cregina too. > ================== > > Dear Doug, > > The 1841 census forms did not ask for any detailed birthplace information. > They merely asked whether an individual was born in the county in which he > was residing in 1841. The question only required a YES or NO answer. > > Kind regards, > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

Hi Shirley, My records confirm the info. on the North Wales BMD site [it ought to anyhow!!] When I searched the North wales BMD site on David Lloyd on his own for 1838 I found two marriages with an Elizabeth Jones at Llanfyllin Church - refs: CL/10/1/4 and CL/10/1/6. None with an Elizabeth Evans. Two points to consider: 1. That we made an error in transcription on one of these. OR 2. Your info is incorrect. If you fill the details relating to one of these marriages on the form that comes up on the North Wales BMD site and explain the problem on a separate sheet I am certain that the registrar at the Welshpool office [they also have the Llanfyllin district records there] will check and advise, should you send a SAE with the form requesting such advice. Bryn ----- Original Message ----- From: <FrostSES@aol.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Church or Civil Ceremony Llanfyllin > > Hi Bryn > > > > The Marriage Certificate is for David Lloyd and Elizabeth Evans ~ > Llanfyllin > Apr Qtr 1838 27 119 > > Thank you very much Bryn > > Kind regards > Shirley > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >