BIRTHS On the 18th inst., at Grosvenor-square, the Countess of Carnarvon, of a son. On the 28th inst., at Swansea, the wife of Capt. John RUXION, of the Tom Cringle, of a son. On the 12th inst., the lady of Robert GIBSON, Esq. Pen-ydarran, Merthyr Tydvil, of a son. On the 13th inst., Mrs MORGAN, wife of Morgan MORGAN, Esq. of Llyncymhyris, near Landovery, of a son. MARRIED On the 27th inst. at St Mary's Church, Swansea, by the Rev. W. HEWSON, D.D., Mr. Boaz TRIPP, Primitive Methodist Itinerant Minister, of Belper, Derbyshire, to Miss Ann SQUANCE, second daughter of Mr. Robert SQUANCE, malster, Swansea. On the 11th inst., by the Rev D. REES, at Capel Als, Llanelly (by licence), Mr. Frederick ROBERTS, tea-dealer, to Miss Marta Thompson WADDLE, both of Llanelly. On the 16th instant, at Bedminster Church, by licence, Mr. Henry BOOTH, butcher, of Cardiff, to Miss Sarah EVANS, of Congresbury, Somersetshire. On the 15th inst., in St Mary's, Fishguard, by licence, Mr. John OWEN to Miss Anne SAMBRUCK, both of that place. On the 14th instant at Trinity Church, Newington, Surrey, by the Rev. Gilbert Cl..it, William BOWEN, Esq., of Haverfordwest, to Miss LOUGHBOROUGH, of Trinity-square. Lately, at Trevithin Church, by the Rev. T. DAVIES, A.M. Mr. J. LEWIS (formerly of the town of Carmarthen, but now of Postnewynydd, near Pontypool), tallow chandler, to Miss Mary GEORGE, of the same place. On the 17th inst., Mr. Edwin BOND, of Worcester, to Miss Sarah SMART of Monmouth. On the 25th instant, at Brunswick Chapel by the Rev. T. HAYNES, Mr. Wm. VAUGHAN-JENKINS, of Newport, Monmouthshire, to Frances Maria, eldest daughter of Mr. Robert FLETCHER, of Ashely-hill. On the 21st inst., by special licence, at the parish Church of Leamington, the Hon. Wm. Mullet VAUGHAN, brother of the Earl, of Lisburne, to Louisa, daughter of Edmund WIGAN, Esq., of Capley in the county of Stafford. Lyn Nunn Brisbane Australia

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Pictures of: Cefn Coed Viaduct (BRE); and Porthcawl (GLA) Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my website, include: 1. The old, and now disused, Cefn Coed railway viaduct at Cefn Coed-y-Cymer on the edge of the Brecon Beacons National Park in the county of Breconshire (three pictures). This was one of the first features shown on 'Images of Wales' back in December 1997. It has never before been selected as a Retrospective. 2. The seaside resort of Porthcawl in the county of Glamorgan (six pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in August 1999. As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm While there, take the time to explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Hi Dennis Many thanks for your suggestion I will follow it up Shirley

Lloyd Ellis <LEllis148@aol.com> wrote: I never CLAIMED "to have traced a pedigree back to specific individuals living in AD 380, 1150, or even 1500." I only noted my findings in the published pedigrees. I would refer Mr. Ball to "Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches between 1586 and 1613" by Lewys Dwnn, and more specifically to "Lewys Dwnn and the Parsons" Vol II, pp. 248-249. The pedigrees shown on pp. 248-249 were written in 1594 FOR Mr. Dwnn by my ancestor Cadwalader ap Rhydderch the nephew of Syr John ap David, who incidentally was named as one of the "overseers" in Syr John's Will. ============== Dear Lloyd, Admittedly my note of caution was prompted by Ellen Edwards's response to your e-mail, but it was not my intention to suggest that you yourself were claiming to have traced a line of specific individuals back to AD 380 or whenever. I merely used the dates you'd quoted as typical examples. I'm sorry if my use of your dates was open to misinterpretation. Perhaps I should have said "the 4th Century AD, the 12th Century or even the 16th Century". Many thanks for details of your Welsh genealogy sources. I remain to be convinced that the genealogies (of important families) collected together by Lewys Dwnn would satisfy the genealogical proof standard (GPS). Where possible, I'd like to see the accuracy of these old Welsh genealogies tested against contemporary written records before accepting them. If the relevant contemporary records no longer exist, I think it would be unwise to treat them as much more than interesting legends. Powys Listers may recall that the GPS was discussed on the Powys List earlier this year (27 March onwards), and is explained on the website of the [US] Board for Certification of Genealogists (BCG) at: www.bcgcertification.org/resources/standard.html It is perhaps worth stressing that only a tiny minority of those of us living in the 21st Century will ever be able to prove we are descended from a family important enough to have been the subject of genealogical study in the 16th Century or earlier. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, Swansea Valley, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator for POWYS (& BRE, MGY, RAD) mailing lists

Hi Jean, David's birth year is 1801. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Rayford" <jrayford@frontiernet.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Griffiths and Rowlands in Guilsfield Montgomeryshire > Thanks for much for the look up of the marriage of David Griffiths and Ann > Rowlands. I didn't get the year for David birth just the date. Was it 1804? > Thanks so much for your help. It help greatly. Jean from US > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Lewis" <lloyd.lewis1@virgin.net> > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Griffiths and Rowlands in Guilsfield Montgomeryshire > > > Hi Jean > > The marriage witnesses were Edward Edwards & Mary Griffiths. > > David son of David Griffiths & Jane of Llanerchrothwel Born July 10th bapt. > July 19th. > > There is no entry for any Rowlands except that the curate in was L. > Rowlands. He may well have lived out of the parish and therefore if he > fathered any children they may be baptised in an adjoing parish. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > Lloyd. > www.rootsweb.com/wlpfhs > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Rayford" <jrayford@frontiernet.net> > To: "Powys" <powys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:27 PM > Subject: [POWYS] Griffiths and Rowlands in Guilsfield Montgomeryshire > > > > Looking for the parents o David Griffiths abt 1804and Ann Rowlands abt > 1802. > > They were married in Guilsfield 15 April in 1830. Both were from the > parish > > of Guilsfield. Both died in Wales. Thanks you Jean from US > > > > > > =================== > > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/07 > 6:01 AM > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean The marriage witnesses were Edward Edwards & Mary Griffiths. David son of David Griffiths & Jane of Llanerchrothwel Born July 10th bapt. July 19th. There is no entry for any Rowlands except that the curate in was L. Rowlands. He may well have lived out of the parish and therefore if he fathered any children they may be baptised in an adjoing parish. Hope this helps. Regards Lloyd. www.rootsweb.com/wlpfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Rayford" <jrayford@frontiernet.net> To: "Powys" <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [POWYS] Griffiths and Rowlands in Guilsfield Montgomeryshire > Looking for the parents o David Griffiths abt 1804and Ann Rowlands abt 1802. > They were married in Guilsfield 15 April in 1830. Both were from the parish > of Guilsfield. Both died in Wales. Thanks you Jean from US > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for much for the look up of the marriage of David Griffiths and Ann Rowlands. I didn't get the year for David birth just the date. Was it 1804? Thanks so much for your help. It help greatly. Jean from US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Lewis" <lloyd.lewis1@virgin.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Griffiths and Rowlands in Guilsfield Montgomeryshire Hi Jean The marriage witnesses were Edward Edwards & Mary Griffiths. David son of David Griffiths & Jane of Llanerchrothwel Born July 10th bapt. July 19th. There is no entry for any Rowlands except that the curate in was L. Rowlands. He may well have lived out of the parish and therefore if he fathered any children they may be baptised in an adjoing parish. Hope this helps. Regards Lloyd. www.rootsweb.com/wlpfhs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Rayford" <jrayford@frontiernet.net> To: "Powys" <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [POWYS] Griffiths and Rowlands in Guilsfield Montgomeryshire > Looking for the parents o David Griffiths abt 1804and Ann Rowlands abt 1802. > They were married in Guilsfield 15 April in 1830. Both were from the parish > of Guilsfield. Both died in Wales. Thanks you Jean from US > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/07 6:01 AM

John Ball Wrote: <Dear Ellen, I hope your comment was made with tongue in cheek! If not, I would caution you, and other listers, not to get carried away by reading about any claims to have traced a pedigree back to specific individuals living in AD 380, 1150, or even 1500.> Mr. Ball's "caution" is understood. However, I never CLAIMED "to have traced a pedigree back to specific individuals living in AD 380, 1150, or even 1500." I only noted my findings in the published pedigrees. My "paper trail" ends c. 1500 and does not include any pedigrees back to that time. As to Lewys Dwnn, John Ball wrote: <I very much doubt whether the work of Lewys Dwnn (described as 'Deputy Herald of Arms for Wales in the 16th century'), meets genealogical proof standards.> I would refer Mr. Ball to "Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches between 1586 and 1613" by Lewys Dwnn, and more specifically to "Lewys Dwnn and the Parsons" Vol II, pp. 248-249. The pedigrees shown on pp. 248-249 were written in 1594 FOR Mr. Dwnn by my ancestor Cadwalader ap Rhydderch the nephew of Syr John ap David, who incidentally was named as one of the "overseers" in Syr John's Will. I consider this pedigree as a continuation of my "paper trail." The further back in time one goes data is certainly questionable. Good hunting, Lloyd Ellis ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

> I hope your comment was made with tongue in cheek! If not, I would caution > you, and other listers, not to get carried away by reading about any > claims to have traced a pedigree back to specific individuals living in AD > 380, 1150, or even 1500. With regard to the reliability (or otherwise) of the Welsh pedigrees, an article I found helpful (although difficult to understand in places) was "An approach to Welsh Genealogy"by Major Francis Jones, which was published in The Transactions of the Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion, Session 1948. I have attempted to summarise some of the key points on my web page at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parrytrees/gvstart.htm#hist in relation to a discussion about one of the PARRY families. As I mention on the page, I am not an expert in the area, just a "hobby genealogist" who has come across such pedigrees in my own research and wanted to find out more about them. I would recommend that anyone interested in the subject should read the article for themselves. (In case people aren't aware of the fact, Major Francis Jones was the Wales Herald Extraordinary prior to the Michael Powell Siddons mentioned in John Ball's message - see http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk/walehe98.htm) Regards Barbara Griffiths Coventry UK

Hi Shirley Have you tried the IGI? http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true Because of the way LDS tried to deal with the patrionic system of naming, you have to start looking for a Robert born in Llanfillin in or around 1780 - enter batch C090621(Llanfillin), first name Robert date 1780 +/-5 and check the results for a father with surname Hughes . The problem is then proving you have the right one! See for example Robert John born 6.7.1781 to John Hughes and Judith - who is really Robert Hughes. Good luck John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Edwards" <ellenonpine@shaw.ca> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Robert Hughes > Hi Shirley, I hope you find something about Robert, who would have been > born > around 1780...there are some clever genealogists around... > Ellen > > -----Original Message----- > From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Bob & Shirley Gray > Sent: October 29, 2007 11:21 PM > To: POWYS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] Robert Hughes > > HI to all Listers > I don't think the last e.mail went through - but if it did please accept > my apologies. > I am seeking Robert HUGHES who would have been born in Llanfillyn > Montgomeryshire > c1880. The only information I have for this man is he was married to > Mary Ann Boulton (who may not come from Wales) and their first child > was born 1803. > I guess when I look at that I shall be very lucky to find any > information about him but you can always hope! > I shall certanly be glad of any information available > Many thanks > Shirley Gray > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Ellen Edwards <ellenonpine@shaw.ca> wrote: That is SO exciting!! Perhaps my Kenyon chieftains have such a history... ============ Dear Ellen, I hope your comment was made with tongue in cheek! If not, I would caution you, and other listers, not to get carried away by reading about any claims to have traced a pedigree back to specific individuals living in AD 380, 1150, or even 1500. I am away from home at present, and do not have access to my usual reference sources, but I very much doubt whether the work of Lewys Dwnn (described as 'Deputy Herald of Arms for Wales in the 16th century'), meets genealogical proof standards. My understanding is that Peter Bartum, cited by Lloyd Ellis in his "Ellis DNA Success Story" article, collected together, collated and organised pre-existing ancient 'pedigrees'. He also made some attempt to assess their reliability. I suggest that before studying Bartrum, anyone interested should examine the strengths and weaknesses of his works by reading (for example) "Using Peter Bartrum's 'Welsh Genealogies'" by Michael Powell Siddons reproduced as Chapter 9 in "Second Stages in Researching Welsh Ancestry" edited by John and Sheila Rowlands, published in 1999 by Federation of Family History Societies (Publications) Ltd., Birmingham (UK) - ISBN 0-8063-1619-5. I very much hope that longtime Powys List member Richard Meredith is reading this. If so, perhaps he would like to comment on the credibility or otherwise of Bartrum's "Welsh Genealogies". Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, Swansea Valley, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator for POWYS (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Hello List, A belated thank you to those who made suggestions about getting B,M, D certificates. I did figure out how to order the on-line. This week I found my 3xgreat grandfather, Jeremiah Bebb in Llandinam, and when he christened my 2xgreat grandfather his occupation was listed as "badger." Searching for what this might mean, I found the following suggestions: 1) Licensed pauper - wore a badge with "P" on it and was restricted to working a defined area (origin of "Badgering") 2) Corn Miller or Dealer 3) Itinerant food trader Does anyone know which meaning is most is likely for Wales around 1814?? Thanks for your help. Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon, USA

Free Ancestry for 3 days, apparently no credit card required: http://landing.ancestry.com/popularmedia/hs1.aspx?landingpage=3DF_nc&o_iid=32618&o_lid=32618&o_it=32845 Of course you could always go to your local library, depending on where you lived. Alison

More info. regarding Geneaology & DNA. ISOGG, The International Society of Genetic Genealogy has agreed to post the following "Success Stories" on their site _http://www.isogg.org/_ (http://www.isogg.org/) Ellis DNA Success Story "Back in AD 2001, I (Lloyd D. Ellis) entered the world of DNA testing, first with Oxford Ancestors, later with FamilyTreeDNA and EthnoAncestry, in the hope that someday I and others would find a meaningful match to their lineage. Surprise! In 2006 FTDNA advised me that I had one mismatch on 37 markers with another Ellis. I knew nothing of this person nor had our research paths crossed. I have a solid paper trail back to N. Wales c. 1500, thanks in part to Quaker records and the Clywd FHS. My Ellis match had his paper trail back to one Humphrey Ellis of Pennsylvania b. 1688 in N. Wales. The DNA match assisted in proving our male lineage back to one Cadwalader Ellis, Sr., b.c. 1655 in Llanycil Parish, N. Wales, who had two sons, Cadwalader Ellis, Jr. (the authors line) and a younger son Humphrey Ellis. Then another brick wall (one of many) appeared in 1500. No Wills or other historical data was available further back in time. Our male ancestor Syr John ap David Pastor of Llanycil Parish was born c. 1500. A fellow researcher in the UK suggested that I have a look at the published pedigrees in the National Library of Wales of Peter Bartrum and Lewys Dwnn Deputy Herald of Arms for Wales in the 16th. century. Pedigrees? I had never thought of researching Nobility or pedigrees. Another exciting Surprise ! Syr John ap David is shown as a direct male descendant of Rhirid Flaidd b. c. 1150, Lord of Penllyn, N. Wales. His pedigree goes back to Cunedda Wledig King of N. Wales b. c. AD 380 in Southern Scotland and further back into the mists of time". - - Posted on 29 Oct 2007 Sites of interest: _ Ellis DNA Project_ (http://ellis.dnafamilies.net/results_page.php) _ Ellis, Cadwalader Family History_ (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dubart&I11.x=22&I11.y=2) The above mentioned DNA matches are also shown on the Wales DNA Project. Lloyd Ellis ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

That is SO exciting!! Perhaps my Kenyon chieftains have such a history... EE -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LEllis148@aol.com Sent: October 31, 2007 12:16 PM To: POWYS@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Wales DNA Project More info. regarding Geneaology & DNA. ISOGG, The International Society of Genetic Genealogy has agreed to post the following "Success Stories" on their site _http://www.isogg.org/_ (http://www.isogg.org/) Ellis DNA Success Story "Back in AD 2001, I (Lloyd D. Ellis) entered the world of DNA testing, first with Oxford Ancestors, later with FamilyTreeDNA and EthnoAncestry, in the hope that someday I and others would find a meaningful match to their lineage. Surprise! In 2006 FTDNA advised me that I had one mismatch on 37 markers with another Ellis. I knew nothing of this person nor had our research paths crossed. I have a solid paper trail back to N. Wales c. 1500, thanks in part to Quaker records and the Clywd FHS. My Ellis match had his paper trail back to one Humphrey Ellis of Pennsylvania b. 1688 in N. Wales. The DNA match assisted in proving our male lineage back to one Cadwalader Ellis, Sr., b.c. 1655 in Llanycil Parish, N. Wales, who had two sons, Cadwalader Ellis, Jr. (the authors line) and a younger son Humphrey Ellis. Then another brick wall (one of many) appeared in 1500. No Wills or other historical data was available further back in time. Our male ancestor Syr John ap David Pastor of Llanycil Parish was born c. 1500. A fellow researcher in the UK suggested that I have a look at the published pedigrees in the National Library of Wales of Peter Bartrum and Lewys Dwnn Deputy Herald of Arms for Wales in the 16th. century. Pedigrees? I had never thought of researching Nobility or pedigrees. Another exciting Surprise ! Syr John ap David is shown as a direct male descendant of Rhirid Flaidd b. c. 1150, Lord of Penllyn, N. Wales. His pedigree goes back to Cunedda Wledig King of N. Wales b. c. AD 380 in Southern Scotland and further back into the mists of time". - - Posted on 29 Oct 2007 Sites of interest: _ Ellis DNA Project_ (http://ellis.dnafamilies.net/results_page.php) _ Ellis, Cadwalader Family History_ (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dubart&I11.x=22&I11.y=2 ) The above mentioned DNA matches are also shown on the Wales DNA Project. Lloyd Ellis ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Shirley, Try the North Wales BMD at _www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi_ (http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi) There are some Hughes people there..... Best wishes, Dennis, in RAD, Powys