Richard Williams [raw@sonic.net] -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Richard Williams Sent: 12 November 2007 23:00 To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar I blew up the collar on my PC, and the left lapel just says "FL" like the right hand collar does, so it's probably not a government organization requiring personnel ID's to be visible on a uniform (like a police force). Heather : Do you know if your relative was musical? What was his profession right after WWII? I'm still of the inclination that it's a corporate 'logo' (rail, messenger, ferry etc) or some kind of band uniform perhaps? Like this: http://www.satiche.org.uk/vinbbp/phot5983.jpg However, I would tend to lean away from Railway as the cap is not consistent with the style of hats I've ever seen worn by railway employees. --Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:48 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar I've looked at the image put up by Richard and I think it is quite certain that the left side of the collar bears at least two numerals. The first is certainly not 1, may even be 9 We have to think what organisation would have a corps of more than 20 men similarly attired. Gordon -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams Sent: 12 November 2007 21:29 To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is looking into it for her. http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's Brigade etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was not uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their ribbons. So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he was actually porter though! As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case it's recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the memory of a local. Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? 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My initial thought was that it could be someone like the security guard at a factory, FL being the company/organisation name/initials. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

That is not a Civil defence uniform. It looks more like a police uniform but the badge puzzles me Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Williams" <raw@sonic.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com>; <eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my > website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is > looking > into it for her. > > http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg > > Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the > uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil > government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's > Brigade > etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping > with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was > not > uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their > ribbons. > > So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind > of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he > was > actually porter though! > > As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case > it's > recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the > memory of a local. > > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Heather Smith > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM > To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > > > > Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL > > I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June > 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. > > Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left > breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, > it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the > pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The > buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to > lapels > on > each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal > circle. > The photo does not show the other side of his collar. > > Photograph taken by JEROME? > > Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? > > Thanks > > Heather > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The Civil Defence Corps was in existence for many years after 1945 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Williams" <raw@sonic.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > Heather, > those kind of badges we common during WWII in the various civil > defense/service branches, although being 1947 it would seem odd that > someone > would have a portrait done in such a uniform. > > If you send me a JPG of the picture I'll see if I can figure it out for > you > :) raw@sonic.net (my family has served in the UK military for a long > time, > so I might notice something else in the picture that helps). > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Heather Smith > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM > To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > > > > Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL > > I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June > 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. > > Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left > breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, > it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the > pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The > buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to > lapels > on > each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal > circle. > The photo does not show the other side of his collar. > > Photograph taken by JEROME? > > Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? > > Thanks > > Heather > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Is anyone else researching Moore Breconshire? Deb

You are correct John B. It is all in the pop ups. Once you allow them for that site, you get what you describe in a new window. And it is far superior to using the zoom bar. My apologies to you and Gordon. John H -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Ball Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 9:40 p.m. To: Powys List Subject: [POWYS] Problems with Old-Maps website (formerly Dolau RSD) Gordon <oboe@pobox.co.uk> wrote: I must be doing something wrong but when I follow your instructions and I try to enlarge the map I receive a message saying that because of copyright problems, enlargement is prohibited. I should welcome your comments. John Hopkins <j.hopkins@paradise.net.nz> commented: I tried John B's instructions using Firefox and could not exactly replicate your problem (however, I did notice that Firefox blocked a popup, so maybe that was the copyright message you received). The icon on the right did nothing at all for me, but I could enlarge the map by using the scale on the left. ================= Hello both, I have pop-ups enabled for the Old-Maps website, but I don't know whether this is of any relevance to the problem. Gordon - Are you attempting to use your browser's own built-in zoom function? That's the only thing I can think of that would trigger the warning notice you've received. Otherwise I'm afraid I don't understand the cause of problems you're experiencing. John Hokins - Using the zoom bar on the left only displays a small area of the image, contained within the rectangular frame. Using the 'Enlarge Map' icon (the bottom of the four icons on the right tab) opens the full sized image in a completely new browser window, which you can resize (maximise) to fill your entire screen. Unless you have a very large monitor, the image will overflow the screen, but you can use your browser's horizontal and vertical scroll bars to examine the entire image. This is a much more satisfactory method than using the 'panning' arrows located round the small rectangular frame. By default I use the Microsoft IE7 browser, but I've just repeated the exercise using Firefox 2 without any difficulty. The only difference is that the enlarged map opened in a new browser *tab* rather than in a completely new browser window, but the result is just as good. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bryn, Thanks very much for this - Thomas's burial entry says he was from Vaynor Isaf, so this ties in exactly. I'm going to Berriew next year for a holiday, so I'll ask in Powys archives whether they know anything about the house. Regards, Ellie > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:42:02 -0000 > From: "Bryn Ellis" <bryn@helygain.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Pyde House, Berriew > To: <powys@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <004f01c82510$48192110$12d7883e@BrynEllis> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > "Laura Thomas" <ellie.thomas@ntlworld.com> > asked: > > > I wonder if anyone can help me find out what Pyde House was. > > My 5xgreat grandfather Thomas HAMMONDS was buried in December 1799 in > > Berriew, Montgomeryshire, and his gravestone says that he was *late of the > > Pyde House*. I've looked on maps and Googled, but I can't find out what > > the > > Pyde House was. I wondered if it was pied, as in 2 coloured, but can't > > find > > anything. > > Yes there was a house called 'Pied House' in the township of Vaynor Isaf in > the parish of Berriew. This is the area immediately south-west of the > village but Idon't know where the house actually was or if it exists today. > Bryn Ellis

I've looked at the image put up by Richard and I think it is quite certain that the left side of the collar bears at least two numerals. The first is certainly not 1, may even be 9 We have to think what organisation would have a corps of more than 20 men similarly attired. Gordon -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams Sent: 12 November 2007 21:29 To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is looking into it for her. http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's Brigade etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was not uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their ribbons. So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he was actually porter though! As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case it's recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the memory of a local. Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: 11/11/2007 21:50

Heather - this link to Jerome website may be of interest http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/PP_I/pp_jerome_0.htm Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> To: <POWYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > > Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL > > I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June > 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. > > Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left > breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, > it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the > pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The > buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to > lapels > on > each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal > circle. > The photo does not show the other side of his collar. > > Photograph taken by JEROME? > > Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? > > Thanks > > Heather > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know about the initials FL, but Jerome's was a Photographic studio in Liverpool. Ann. --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

Chris, Perhaps Dennis Cleaton's contact can "unstuck" both of us. I haven't really surged ahead with the Gladestry Watson's either. I'm in the process of crossing "i's" and dotting "t's" on what I have found so far on the Watson's so I can share it with Roger's cousins in Kinnerton and Horley. I'm looking forward to visiting the National Library of Wales again to fill in more blanks on Drew / Watson and Sheen. I hope we can meet while we are in Wales next year. Carrol -----Original Message----- From: TescoThomas@aol.com [mailto:TescoThomas@aol.com] Sent: November 6, 2007 1:18 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Watson - Gladestry & Kinnerton Hi Carroll Sorry I haven't replied to you earlier. I'm afraid I haven't got very far with my Watsons as I have had a few family commitments this last year. I really hope to carry on now but am a bit stuck. Look forward to hearing from you. Chris

Dennis, Good to hear from you. We are next visiting Wales in May 2008 and will be staying in Kinnerton until mid July. Our main Watson family contact is a cousin of Roger's in Kinnerton. Roger's father was born at Court of Gladestry and while we know that one line from the Kinnerton/Llananno Watson's lived in Gladestry we haven't yet connected. We would appreciate any assistance you can provide; your help last year at Newbridge was above and beyond what we had hoped for. Look forward to seeing you next year. Carrol Drew Mississauga, Canada -----Original Message----- From: DCLEATOND@aol.com [mailto:DCLEATOND@aol.com] Sent: November 6, 2007 11:33 AM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Watson - Gladestry & Kinnerton Hi Carrol, Do you think they were at the Wern ot elsewhere? I can try a Gladstry contact by phone perhaps?? When is your next visit here?? Best wishes, Dennis Cleaton, Llandrindod.

Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather

Yes, I agree. As the photo was taken in Liverpool I cross-posted to the Liverpool/Lancs group in case someone recalled it, since I think such 'localized' uniforms are unlikely to be well remembered or documented outside their point of origin :( Hopefully someone will recognize it and Heather will have her mystery solved :) Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:55 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar My initial thought was that it could be someone like the security guard at a factory, FL being the company/organisation name/initials. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Indeed, and when Heather first posed her question I wondered about that. But when I looked up the CDF uniforms though they all had stitched and embroidered arm insignia telling which branch. Also, there were ARP's etc, but nothing that was "LF" ... indeed, the closest thing to this other than ARP's, just in terms of collar insignia I mean, is the "VR" (Volunteer Reserve" of the RAF. Here's the list of abbreviations used for the various parts of the civil defense. No FL unfortunately. http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=World_War_II_Lis t_of_Abbreviations_used_for_Civil_Purposes That got me wondering whether it was a localized variant or organization that was not strictly established for home defense. Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of David Spark Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:32 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar The Civil Defence Corps was in existence for many years after 1945 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Williams" <raw@sonic.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > Heather, > those kind of badges we common during WWII in the various civil > defense/service branches, although being 1947 it would seem odd that > someone > would have a portrait done in such a uniform. > > If you send me a JPG of the picture I'll see if I can figure it out for > you > :) raw@sonic.net (my family has served in the UK military for a long > time, > so I might notice something else in the picture that helps). > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Heather Smith > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM > To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar > > > > > Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL > > I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June > 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. > > Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left > breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, > it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the > pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The > buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to > lapels > on > each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal > circle. > The photo does not show the other side of his collar. > > Photograph taken by JEROME? > > Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? > > Thanks > > Heather > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I blew up the collar on my PC, and the left lapel just says "FL" like the right hand collar does, so it's probably not a government organization requiring personnel ID's to be visible on a uniform (like a police force). Heather : Do you know if your relative was musical? What was his profession right after WWII? I'm still of the inclination that it's a corporate 'logo' (rail, messenger, ferry etc) or some kind of band uniform perhaps? Like this: http://www.satiche.org.uk/vinbbp/phot5983.jpg However, I would tend to lean away from Railway as the cap is not consistent with the style of hats I've ever seen worn by railway employees. --Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:48 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar I've looked at the image put up by Richard and I think it is quite certain that the left side of the collar bears at least two numerals. The first is certainly not 1, may even be 9 We have to think what organisation would have a corps of more than 20 men similarly attired. Gordon -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams Sent: 12 November 2007 21:29 To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is looking into it for her. http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's Brigade etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was not uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their ribbons. So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he was actually porter though! As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case it's recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the memory of a local. Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: 11/11/2007 21:50 =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I seem to remember somebody asking about an Old Hall at Dolau, don't think it was another district. I haven't checked the archives before anyone says. I was just looking through a booklet I have of Llandrindod Wells and came across an "Historical 15 century hall peacefully situated within beautiful scenery" called Old Hall at Dolau. Would this be the same one? Just thought whoever asked may be interested. Lesley

Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is looking into it for her. http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's Brigade etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was not uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their ribbons. So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he was actually porter though! As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case it's recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the memory of a local. Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gordon I tried John B's instructions using Firefox and could not exactly replicate your problem (however, I did notice that Firefox blocked a popup, so maybe that was the copyright message you received). The icon on the right did nothing at all for me, but I could enlarge the map by using the scale on the left. Hope that helps. John Hopkins -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 11:29 a.m. To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Dolau RSD (formerly DOLAN RSO) Hello John, I must be doing something wrong but when I follow your instructions as set out below, and I try to enlarge the map I receive a message saying that because of copyright problems, enlargement is prohibited. Am I the only one getting this response? I should welcome your comments Gordon (snip) You can also call up a highly detailed (1:10,560-scale) late 19th century map of this area by going to the Old Maps website at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ On the main page, click on the illustration which states "Click here to begin your search". On the search page which appears, enter 316385 and 266690 into the co-ordinates search fields and click the GO button alongside. When the small map appears, click on the "Enlarge Map" icon on the right-hand tab. A highly detailed map of the area will open in a new window, centred on 'Old Hall' and also showing OldHall Wood and Old Hall Inn. [snip] John -------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists .

Heather, those kind of badges we common during WWII in the various civil defense/service branches, although being 1947 it would seem odd that someone would have a portrait done in such a uniform. If you send me a JPG of the picture I'll see if I can figure it out for you :) raw@sonic.net (my family has served in the UK military for a long time, so I might notice something else in the picture that helps). Richard -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 AM To: POWYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message