Hi Dennis, The sister was Jane HAMMONDS, she was baptised in 1772 d/o Thomas & Mary (nee DIASS) and married in Berriew 1797. As Francis MILLS was from Bettws Cedewain I assume she went to live there. I haven't checked but I'm travelling down to Powys archives next March and checking Bettws PRs is on my long list of things to do. I haven't found Jane in the census, but I have no evidence of where she lived or when she died, and I'd think that only her death might be in the BMDs, although I haven't actually looked. I use NorthWales BMDs quite a lot - as it gives the sub-district as well as the registration district I've used this to collate with the census details and I managed to pick out the right Jones birth cert first time! Regards, Ellie > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:47:09 EST > From: DCLEATOND@aol.com > Subject: Re: [POWYS] HAMMONDS of Berriew > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d1c.1a447f22.3486ec9d@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Thanks Ellie, > > Was the sister living in MGY and have you any age for her please? I can then > check to find her for you. You can try the _www.northwalesbdm_ > (http://www.northwalesbdm) site for her too, it is very good. Best regards, Dennis

Pam and John Thank you for replying to my query re Jones' of Trefeglwys. I appreciate your input. John, have you explained, in an archived message, how to locate the SO# for farms; if so, would you please direct me to that message. I don't have luck very often finding a property. Carrol -----Original Message----- From: Carrol Drew [mailto:carrol.drew@sympatico.ca] Sent: November 28, 2007 7:36 PM To: POWYS@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] MGY: Jones, Trefeglwys and Llanllwchairn 1901 census I have recently received the marriage certificate of Mary Jones of Gwanafon, Trefeglwys [father Edward Jones, deceased] and William Francis of Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys which opened up a possible crack of a door for us

Hi, I think you mean (http://www.northwalesbmd) Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DCLEATOND@aol.com Sent: 04 December 2007 17:47 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] HAMMONDS of Berriew Thanks Ellie, Was the sister living in MGY and have you any age for her please? I can then check to find her for you. You can try the _www.northwalesbdm_ (http://www.northwalesbdm) site for her too, it is very good. Best regards, Dennis =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YES, it is bmd of course, Best wishes,Dennis

Thanks Ellie, Was the sister living in MGY and have you any age for her please? I can then check to find her for you. You can try the _www.northwalesbdm_ (http://www.northwalesbdm) site for her too, it is very good. Best regards, Dennis

Hi Dennis, Thanks for this, these are the 2 brothers - they also had a sister Jane who married Francis MILLS of Bettws Cedewain, but I've not been able to find anything more of her after the wedding. The other siblings seem to have died in childhood. Regards, Ellie > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:37:19 EST > From: DCLEATOND@aol.com > Subject: Re: [POWYS] HAMMOND'S of Berriew > To: powys@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c41.240a703a.3484636f@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Ellie, > > There was only one Berriew Richard HAMMOND on the 1851 MGY Census CD, a > farmer aged 70, and wife Jane 62, plus sons David 28, farmer, and George 19, a > blacksmith app, and dau. Caroline 17, dressmaker. > > They were all born there, and all lived at Cwm gwydd, f/7/p8 > > And only one Edward Hammond 67, wharfinger (on canal), wife Martha 67, > dau? ----, 25, dressmaker, and gs, Pryce 12, born CHS,Chester, boatman's son, > All lived at Chain, Berriew, f5/p2 > > Best wishes, > Dennis Cleaton > RAD, Powys

Hi Ellie, There was only one Berriew Richard HAMMOND on the 1851 MGY Census CD, a farmer aged 70, and wife Jane 62, plus sons David 28, farmer, and George 19, a blacksmith app, and dau. Caroline 17, dressmaker. They were all born there, and all lived at Cwm gwydd, f/7/p8 And only one Edward Hammond 67, wharfinger (on canal), wife Martha 67, dau? ----, 25, dressmaker, and gs, Pryce 12, born CHS,Chester, boatman's son, All lived at Chain, Berriew, f5/p2 Best wishes, Dennis Cleaton RAD, Powys

Hi Listers, I just wondered whether anyone is researching the HAMMONDS family of Berriew, MGY, particularly Richard c1781-1858 and Edward c1784-1860 & their descendants. Looking in the archives there were a couple of entries about this family from 2000 and 2005, but the email addresses are no longer active. Regards, Ellie Thomas

Pictures of: Henrhyd Falls (BRE); and Llandeilo (CMN) Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my website, include: 1. The Henrhyd Falls near Penycae in the Brecon Beacons National Park, county of Breconshire (two pictures). This feature was one of the first to be shown on 'Images of Wales', in December 1997. 2. A visit to the picturesque town of Llandeilo in the county of Carmarthenshire (eleven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in January 1999. As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm While there, take the time to explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Terry Dipple <tadip44@cinci.rr.com> wrote: Only about 50% of UK registrars have credit card payment. If you have a contact in the UK ask them to buy you 7# postal orders and some UK stamps for return envelopes. I have never used the central office as it costs more and takes longer. ============= Dear Terry, While you are correct in saying that many local register offices do not accept credit card payments, I think your information about the General Register Office (GRO) is out of date. Assuming, like Jean Rayford, you can quote the full GRO BMD index reference, the cost is £7.00 (7.00 GBP) per certificate, including postage: www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/births/obtainingbirthcertificates/certificatefees.asp Payment is by credit card or debit card and the on-line ordering service from the GRO is now quite speedy. Local registrars charge £7.00 per certificate, but they may add extra for postage. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hello Jean Probably the easiest way for you to purchase your certificate is to go into your bank and ask them for a sterling cheque to the amount of £7.00. You should then send this together with 3 International Reply Coupons (available from your local post office) to The Registrar, The Shirehall, Abbey Foregate, Shrewsbury, Shropshire SY2 8LY. You should also enclose a self-addressed envelope and give full details of the Certificate you require eg. Names, Place, Date, Event. Best wishes Vera Brown Membership Secretary Powys FHS Jean Rayford <jrayford@frontiernet.net> wrote: Kathryn could you tell me how to order a marriage cert for Mary A. Paddock. I want to use a credit card. Thanks for helping me. It is deeply appreciated. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtney, Kathryn" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Elias Griffiths and Mary Ann Paddock marriage Hi Jean, The FreeBMD birth index for England and Wales has a Mary Ann Paddock born in the first quarter of 1844 in Oswestry, Denbighshire, Shropshire. It's in volume 18, page 155. I also see an 18 year old Mary Ann Paddock living with her aunt, Eliza Kean, in St. Mary's parish, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England in 1861. Her birthpace is listed as Shrewsbury as well. In the FreeBMD Marriage Index, Mary A. Paddock's marriage is listed as 2nd quarter 1866 - vol. 11b, p.478 That's all I have access to, sorry. Kathryn From: Jean Rayford Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 6:43 PM To: Powys Subject: [POWYS] Elias Griffiths and Mary Ann Paddock marriage Looking for the parents of Mary Ann Paddock. Mary was born 7 Jan 1844. Where ------. She was married June 1866 in district of Llafyllin Denbighshire Montgomeryshire. What parish were they married in? The family left for US shortly after their marriage and went to Pittsford Monroe Co. NY Thanks for the help. Jean =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/07 9:29 AM =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 30/11/2007 08:07:05 GMT Standard Time, powys-request@rootsweb.com writes: 1. how to order marriage cert. (Jean Rayford) Someone said that it costs more to order centrally. It does NOT if ordered on line and they will take credit cards.The web site has already been given but I will repeat it in case anyone has missed it. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ Anne

Hi, I have ordered mine through the General Register Office. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ Nancy USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:31:35 -0600 From: "Jean Rayford" <jrayford@frontiernet.net> Subject: [POWYS] how to order marriage cert. To: "Powys" <powys@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01c832be$a8d3ffa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Could someone tell me how to order a marriage cert for Mary A. Paddock June of 1866 Vol 11b p. 478 and she married Elias Griffiths. I would like to order it via visa credit card. I live in WI USA. Thanks ------------------------------

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Only about 50% of UK registrars have credit card payment. If you have a contact in the UK ask them to buy you 7# postal orders and some UK stamps for return envelopes. I have never used the central office as it costs more and takes longer. Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Rayford Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:32 PM To: Powys Subject: [POWYS] how to order marriage cert. Could someone tell me how to order a marriage cert for Mary A. Paddock June of 1866 Vol 11b p. 478 and she married Elias Griffiths. I would like to order it via visa credit card. I live in WI USA. Thanks =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathryn could you tell me how to order a marriage cert for Mary A. Paddock. I want to use a credit card. Thanks for helping me. It is deeply appreciated. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtney, Kathryn" <KCOURTNE@housing.uiuc.edu> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Elias Griffiths and Mary Ann Paddock marriage Hi Jean, The FreeBMD birth index for England and Wales has a Mary Ann Paddock born in the first quarter of 1844 in Oswestry, Denbighshire, Shropshire. It's in volume 18, page 155. I also see an 18 year old Mary Ann Paddock living with her aunt, Eliza Kean, in St. Mary's parish, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England in 1861. Her birthpace is listed as Shrewsbury as well. In the FreeBMD Marriage Index, Mary A. Paddock's marriage is listed as 2nd quarter 1866 - vol. 11b, p.478 That's all I have access to, sorry. Kathryn From: Jean Rayford Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 6:43 PM To: Powys Subject: [POWYS] Elias Griffiths and Mary Ann Paddock marriage Looking for the parents of Mary Ann Paddock. Mary was born 7 Jan 1844. Where ------. She was married June 1866 in district of Llafyllin Denbighshire Montgomeryshire. What parish were they married in? The family left for US shortly after their marriage and went to Pittsford Monroe Co. NY Thanks for the help. Jean =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/07 9:29 AM

Could someone tell me how to order a marriage cert for Mary A. Paddock June of 1866 Vol 11b p. 478 and she married Elias Griffiths. I would like to order it via visa credit card. I live in WI USA. Thanks

Carrol Drew <carrol.drew@sympatico.ca> wrote: On the 1901 census, RG13/5196, Folio 139, Pg 10, Llanllwchairn, District 9, Phoebe [Davies] Jones [whom I assume is Mary's mother; father Edward is deceased] is living at "Miodd Hendidley" with her son, David, and nephew, Evan E Jones. Is anyone able to correct my spelling of this residence/farm and provide any information on the meaning of the name. Would the farm be in the township of Hendidley, rather than Hendidley being part of the farm name? ================ Dear Carrol, Your "Miodd Hendidley" is actually a misreading of "Niodd Hendidley" which is possibly a corrupted spelling of "Neuadd Hen Didley" (Old Didley Hall). It is the name of a farm, identified on modern Ordnance Survey maps as "Nyodd Hendidley". Nyodd Hendidley Farm is at grid reference SO090916. You can see the relevant 2-kilometre square section of a large scale Ordnance Survey 'Explorer' map at the Get-A-Map website http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/frames.htm In the search section near the top left of the Get-A-Map webpage, enter SO090916 into the search field and click the GO button. By using the zoom control buttons to the middle left of the map (if necessary) obtain a 2 km x 2 km section of a 1:25,000 scale map centred on Nyodd Hendidley. The same map also shows Beehive Cottage, Scafell, and Greenlane Cottage, all of which are shown as neighbouring properties on the same page in the 1901 census. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hi Carroll, To figure out where District 9 is, check out the descriptions of the Enumeration Districts. When you have the census page on your computer screen, at the top of the screen it says Montgomeryshire > Llanllwchaiarn>District 9. Click on Llanllwchaiarn and you can then click on Districts 7, 8, 9, and 10 for descriptions of the areas covered. Distr. 7 is basically the north part of the center of town (called Pen-y-glodfa). Distr. 8 is the area south of Commercial St. and east along the river to the point where it flows more a little more easterly than it had, but still NE. Distr. 9 is mostly to the N/ NW of town and Distr. 10 the the NE of town. I have a 1902 map of Newtown, and the farm names are not mentioned, except Rock farm to the east and Bryn Farm which my great-aunt wrote in at Lower Bryn. Also, try Googling Hendidley. The Genuki site has some info. Pam Perryman Eugene, Oregon, USA On Nov 28, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Carrol Drew wrote: > I have recently received the marriage certificate of Mary Jones of > Gwanafon, > Trefeglwys [father Edward Jones, deceased] and William Francis of > Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys which opened up a possible crack of a door > for us > with regard to Roger's "Jones" grandmother, and our assumption that > Mary's > family centres around Rhyd y carw Mill, Gwanafon Farm and ?*? in > Llanllwchairn in 1901. > > > > On the 1901 census, RG13/5196, Folio 139, Pg 10, Llanllwchairn, > District 9, > Phoebe [Davies] Jones [whom I assume is Mary's mother; father > Edward is > deceased] is living at "Miodd Hendidley" with her son, David, and > nephew, > Evan E Jones. Is anyone able to correct my spelling of this > residence/farm > and provide any information on the meaning of the name. Would the > farm be in > the township of Hendidley, rather than Hendidley being part of the > farm > name? > > > > I may be completely off track with my assumption, and would > appreciate input > from any list member who can tell me that Roger's family cannot be > from this > line as their own research has been proven to include Phoebe Jones > and that > she didn't have a daughter Mary who married into the Bwlchyllyn > Francis > family. FYI, Mary died in 1899 at Bwlchyllyn, Oakley Park, > Llanidloes UD > giving birth to Roger's aunt, Mary aka Maisie. His mother, Gwladys, > was born > in 1897 at Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys. I have ordered Mary's birth > certificate > but have not yet received it . she was born in November 1869 . her > birthdate > was taken from her and William's headstone at the Dol Halfren > Cemetery in > Llanidloes. Does anyone know if Bwlchyllyn, Oakley Park, Llanidloes > and > Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys would be the same property but the > description would > be different in 1895 [marriage certificate] and 1899 [death > certificate]? > > > > I don't want to proceed to order a number of related marriage and > death > certificates if we are going in the wrong direction and will > appreciate any > input offered. > > > > A lot of questions which I hope are clearly stated. Thanks for your > assistance. > > > > Carrol Drew > > Researching: Drew and Price in Radnorshire; Francis and Jones in > Montgomeryshire > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I have recently received the marriage certificate of Mary Jones of Gwanafon, Trefeglwys [father Edward Jones, deceased] and William Francis of Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys which opened up a possible crack of a door for us with regard to Roger's "Jones" grandmother, and our assumption that Mary's family centres around Rhyd y carw Mill, Gwanafon Farm and ?*? in Llanllwchairn in 1901. On the 1901 census, RG13/5196, Folio 139, Pg 10, Llanllwchairn, District 9, Phoebe [Davies] Jones [whom I assume is Mary's mother; father Edward is deceased] is living at "Miodd Hendidley" with her son, David, and nephew, Evan E Jones. Is anyone able to correct my spelling of this residence/farm and provide any information on the meaning of the name. Would the farm be in the township of Hendidley, rather than Hendidley being part of the farm name? I may be completely off track with my assumption, and would appreciate input from any list member who can tell me that Roger's family cannot be from this line as their own research has been proven to include Phoebe Jones and that she didn't have a daughter Mary who married into the Bwlchyllyn Francis family. FYI, Mary died in 1899 at Bwlchyllyn, Oakley Park, Llanidloes UD giving birth to Roger's aunt, Mary aka Maisie. His mother, Gwladys, was born in 1897 at Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys. I have ordered Mary's birth certificate but have not yet received it . she was born in November 1869 . her birthdate was taken from her and William's headstone at the Dol Halfren Cemetery in Llanidloes. Does anyone know if Bwlchyllyn, Oakley Park, Llanidloes and Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys would be the same property but the description would be different in 1895 [marriage certificate] and 1899 [death certificate]? I don't want to proceed to order a number of related marriage and death certificates if we are going in the wrong direction and will appreciate any input offered. A lot of questions which I hope are clearly stated. Thanks for your assistance. Carrol Drew Researching: Drew and Price in Radnorshire; Francis and Jones in Montgomeryshire