In the 1891 census .Ref: RG12 Piece.3736.Folio.100.Page 13.Address: Shaw Cross.Soothill, Shaw Cross. The elder Edward Isaac has place of birth as Denbighshire N. Wales. Plus the addition of Edward 8yrs,Ruth 4yrs.William 2yrs and Anne 9 months. All born Shaw Coss. Lynne.

Hi Sue, I think that you mean't this to go to Powys Archives and not to Rootsweb Powys L Best wishes, Hilary -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Welham Sent: 28 January 2008 20:48 To: powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] RESEARCH Dear Ms Richards, Please may I ask a question. Do you have a Nonconformist register for the Chapel that existed in Llanigon at one time. I have my ancester Evan Maddy marrying Ann Price at Llanigon Church in 1766 and Ann was buried in Glasbury Parish Church in 1806. There is no record however, of Evan and I am wondering if he was a Nonconformist and was buried at the Chapel in Llanigon. Please let me know what charge you make for an answer. Please may I also book two readers for my husband and myself, preferably the two near the door for Tuesday 17th June 2008 all day. Thank you. Yours sincerely, Susan Welham. =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.14/1247 - Release Date: 28/01/2008 10:59 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.14/1247 - Release Date: 28/01/2008 10:59

Dear Ms Richards, Please may I ask a question. Do you have a Nonconformist register for the Chapel that existed in Llanigon at one time. I have my ancester Evan Maddy marrying Ann Price at Llanigon Church in 1766 and Ann was buried in Glasbury Parish Church in 1806. There is no record however, of Evan and I am wondering if he was a Nonconformist and was buried at the Chapel in Llanigon. Please let me know what charge you make for an answer. Please may I also book two readers for my husband and myself, preferably the two near the door for Tuesday 17th June 2008 all day. Thank you. Yours sincerely, Susan Welham.

Hallo, My family and I are having a holiday in the area between Bronllys and Glasbury in June and would like to know if anyone on the Powys list can tell us if there is still a Baptist Chapel open in Glasbury. If not, is Ebenezer Chapel, Felindre still Calvinistic Methodist and who is the Pastor. I also wonder if the Calvinistic Methodist is still open in Llyswen. Do they have services morning or evening? I hae also found a Bethel Chapel in Bronllys which is also Calvinistic Methodist and wonder if this is still open too. Do they all have Pastors? Thanking you in anticipation. Sue Welham.

Lynne and Barry, Lynne's 1891 findings suggest "Derby" in 1881 was a mistranscription of "Denbigh" or the enumerator misunderstood him, I suppose. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "edward" <LISSYMAY@lousvet.freeserve.co.uk> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] John and Ruth ISAAC > In the 1891 census .Ref: RG12 Piece.3736.Folio.100.Page 13.Address: Shaw > Cross.Soothill, Shaw Cross. > > The elder Edward Isaac has place of birth as Denbighshire N. Wales. Plus > the addition of Edward 8yrs,Ruth 4yrs.William 2yrs and Anne 9 months. All > born Shaw Coss. > > Lynne. > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Barry, I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "the family never left Yorkshire after coning from Wales via Lancashire". Clearly, Edward's parents stayed in Lancashire, as did his brother, John. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Isaac" <brjp.isaac@bigpond.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] John and Ruth Isaac > Hello Julie, > Unfortunately, for some reason that is wrong about the Derby link as the > family never left Yorkshire > after coning from Wales via Lancashire. The joys of family history. > Edward and Mary were married in Harwood near Bolton Lancashire 8 July > 1871. > My understand is that Alexander Isaac (Grand father) was born in > Sheffield, Yorkshire or there abouts. > Edward Isaac Great Grand Father ended up in Yorkshire (Wakefield > District- Outwood) > as a mine manager or the like. My father was born in Dewsbury. > So I class myself as half Australian, quarter Welsh and quarter > Yorkshire, as strange mix. > > Thanks again Julie, > > Barry > > > Julie Preston wrote: >> >> With the latest details you provided (young Alexander being an easier >> search >> criteria) I found your family in the 1881 Census, living in Handsworth, >> Yorkshire. Note Edward's stated birthplace is Derby -- explains why no >> birth registration popped up for him in Wales and also a good place to >> look >> for John & Ruth ISAAC in the 1851 Census: >> >> 1881 Census >> Dwelling: Sheffield Road >> Census Place: Handsworth, York, England >> Source: FHL Film 1342129 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4669 Folio 141 >> Page 12 >> Marr Age Sex Birthplace >> Edward ISAAC M 30 M Derby, England >> Rel: Head >> Occ: Coal Miner >> Mary ISAAC M 28 F Bolton, Lancashire, England >> Rel: Wife >> Occ: Coal Miner Wife >> Elizabeth ISAAC 8 F ..., Lancashire, England >> Rel: Daur >> Occ: Scholar >> John ISAAC 7 M Bolton, Lancashire, England >> Rel: Son >> Occ: Scholar >> Sarah J. ISAAC 3 F Bolton, Lancashire, England >> Rel: Daur >> Alexander ISAAC 5 m M Normanton Springs, York, England >> Rel: Son >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barry Isaac" <brjp.isaac@bigpond.com> >> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [POWYS] John and Ruth Isaac >> >> >> >>> Thanks for you information Julie. >>> >>> I shall follow up the sites you were good enough to provide and see what >>> happens. >>> >>> My grandfather Alexander Isaac born (26 Oct 1880) and was killed in a >>> coal mine accident on (21 Feb 1921) >>> and my father Robert Alexander Isaac emigrated to Australia in 1926. My >>> father was an only child so it's >>> very difficult chasing up my English and Welsh roots . >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Barry Isaac >>> >> >> >> =================== >> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: >> www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Barry, With the latest details you provided (young Alexander being an easier search criteria) I found your family in the 1881 Census, living in Handsworth, Yorkshire. Note Edward's stated birthplace is Derby -- explains why no birth registration popped up for him in Wales and also a good place to look for John & Ruth ISAAC in the 1851 Census: 1881 Census Dwelling: Sheffield Road Census Place: Handsworth, York, England Source: FHL Film 1342129 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4669 Folio 141 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Edward ISAAC M 30 M Derby, England Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner Mary ISAAC M 28 F Bolton, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Coal Miner Wife Elizabeth ISAAC 8 F ..., Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John ISAAC 7 M Bolton, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Sarah J. ISAAC 3 F Bolton, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Alexander ISAAC 5 m M Normanton Springs, York, England Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Isaac" <brjp.isaac@bigpond.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] John and Ruth Isaac > Thanks for you information Julie. > > I shall follow up the sites you were good enough to provide and see what > happens. > > My grandfather Alexander Isaac born (26 Oct 1880) and was killed in a > coal mine accident on (21 Feb 1921) > and my father Robert Alexander Isaac emigrated to Australia in 1926. My > father was an only child so it's > very difficult chasing up my English and Welsh roots . > > Thanks again, > > Barry Isaac

Dear list, Over the past number of years I have been trying to chase up the history of the Welsh blood that so proudly flows through my veins, but each time I seem to run into that big brick wall. I am not sure if this is the right list, but anyway will try. This is the family history as I know it. *Great Great Great Grand Father* Edward Isaac*? Nothing known about Edward Isaac if that is indeed his name. * * * * * Great Great Grand Father*, John Isaac.* Born Approx, 1823. Born:- Glyncerrwy, Denbighshire, Wales. Great Great Grand Mother*, Ruth Isaac. (Maiden name Ruth Roberts?)* Born Approx ,1827. Born:-Llangwm, Denbighshire, Wales. * * * * * Great Grand Father*, Edward Isaac.* Born: 24-January-1851 Born: Llancadwaladr, Mongomeryshire, Wales. * ** * * * ** My understanding is that the family moved to Lancashire in England where *Edward Isaac married to Mary Hamer on 8 July 1871*. I am looking forward to hear of any information regarding my Welsh background. Grateful thanks for any information. Kind regards, Barry Isaac 60 Turners Beach Road, Turners Beach, Tasmania Australia 7315

Thanks for your answer. Some of the older houses have a "floor plan" available in archives that we could buy copies of. Trouble is I don't know which archives to contact to see if it would be available, I know I'm "spitting into the wind" but one can only try. As far as I know the building I am after has not been declared of Historical Interest. The only glimmer of hope I have on the horizon is that an act of Parliament was passed c. 1730 declaring the building to belong to the crown (and thus sold) in payment of arrears of rent of a meadow. Perhaps there would be something in that avenue? Cheers Justine Justine Orme Sch. L.H.K. Hons. BITE ME MANGO CHILLI SALSA - iTQi Superior taste AWARD 2007 ** Passionate about Chilli - ITQI Superior taste AWARD 2006 ** Innovative Creators of fine Foods for the International Table www.innovativefoods.co.nz > Hi > > It's been a long time since I've partaken in the discussions, but here's > one > for you all. > I would like to know where or even IF I can get hold of a building floor > plan, built c.1590 and rebuilt c.1790. Do you mean a contemporary plan, prepared in 1590/1790? Or do you mean a more recent plan - possibly drawn up by a modern historian - giving a retrospective impression of what a particular building would have looked like at those dates? If you mean the former, then you have virtually no chance - contemporary architectural drawings or ground plans are simply not going to exist for the overwhelming majority of buildings dating from that time. If you mean the latter, it will obviously depend on the particular building, and whether any historian has ever found it of sufficient interest to study in so much detail (and then to publish the results). In many areas, the current general requirement to submit plans for approval by local building inspectors would date in its modern form from some time around the 1870s. However, whether a particular local authority's collection has survived intact from that far back will vary considerably from place to place. Nor are there many private firms of architects likely to have retained plans from any earlier date. > Today it would be so easy, just go to the local council and get a copy, > but I guess there weren't those provisions all those years ago. I don't think that is correct - councils in the UK today won't necessarily have a permanent blanket policy of always supplying copy plans of private dwellings to all and sundry (including to non-neighbours) if the applicant doesn't actually own the building. However, the exact nature of any such restrictions has traditionally been a matter of individual discretion. AJ

Hello Carla, Have you any more details about Anne George and her family please? Thanks, Alison

Barry, "Llancadwaladr" is *not* a parish located in Montgomeryshire but, rather, it's in Denbighshire ("Llangadwaladr"), to the south, very near the border with Montgomeryshire -- there's also a parish of the same name in Anglesey. GENUKI pages for Denbighshire -- much information here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/ There are also two Rootsweb mailing lists covering Denbighshire: CLWYD and WLS-Denbighshire. Subscribe to each in the same way you subscribed to the Powys list. The welcome message will provide you with the address to send postings to. I believe obtaining Edward ISAAC's (b.1851) marriage & birth certificates should be your starting point (as well as locating him on all later census returns). You didn't mention where you obtained his date of birth. His marriage certificate will provide the name and occupation of his father and his birth certificate will provide you with a certain maiden name of his mother, as well as their residence at the time of the birth. A check using www.freebmd.org.uk for a marriage of Edward ISAAC and Mary HAMER in the years immediately surrounding 1871 yielded this reference: Sept. Qtr. 1871 Isaac Edward Hamer Mary (listed on same Vol/Pg.) District: Bolton Vol. 8c, Pg. 455 Bolton Reg. District covers sub-districts listed here: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bolton.html Suggest you obtain this marriage certificate as a first step. Instructions are here: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Certificates.html There were no results fitting your Edward ISAAC in the 1881 Census for all of England & Wales -- presume they had emigrated by this time? Since he was married in Lancashire in 1871, it would be advantageous to locate him in the 1861 & 1871 Census returns and obtain any birth certificates of their children born before they emigrated. I was able to locate the parents, John ISAAC & Ruth, in 1881 -- note their birthplaces (Ruth's should read: Llangwm) -- both parishes are in Denbighshire. You may be able to connect with other ISAAC & ROBERTS family researchers from the mailing lists and from joining the Clwyd Family History Society. 1881 Census Dwelling: 11 Elizabeth St Census Place: Farnworth, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341912 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3814 Folio 27 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ISAAC M 58 M Glynceiriog, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Blacksmith Ruth ISAAC M 54 F Llangwn, Wales Rel: Wife The household next door appears to be their son and his family -- note John's age -- if Edward was born in Denbighshire in 1850/51 and John was born in Farnworth, Lancashire in 1857/58, that points to the migration to Lancashire within that time period so you should be able to locate the entire family in Farnsworth in the 1861 Census -- check the GENUKI pages for Lancashire resources. 1881 Census Dwelling: 12 Elizabeth St Census Place: Farnworth, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341912 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3814 Folio 32 Page 17 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ISAAC M 23 M Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner Sarah ISAAC M 25 F Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife William ISAAC 5 M Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John E. ISAAC 2 M Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Sarah J. ISAAC 10 m F Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur A check of the NorthWalesBMD Index at: www.northwalesbmd.org.uk for 1849 through 1853 for "All Regions" yielded only 1 result in 1850 for an Edward ISAAC, registered in the Sub-District of Llanfair Caereinion (Registers at Welshpool, MGY), Reference LLANFAIR/05/78. According to the information on the website, a birth in Llangadwaladr would fall under the Sub-District of Llanrhaeadr-ym-Mochnant in the Llanfyllin Registration District (again, these registers are held at Welshpool now). The site indicates the indexing for this sub-district is complete for 1837-1950. Another check of the NorthWalesBMD Index for the marriage of John ISAAC & Ruth ROBERTS came up trumps: Marriage 1849 ISAAC, John ROBERTS, Ruth Llangadwaladr, St Cadwaladr Registers at Powys-Welshpool Ref: CL25/1/9 You can obtain this certificate directly from the Supt. Registrar at Welshpool. I would ask them to check their registers for the 1850 entry of Edward to see if the parents' names match -- otherwise, I suppose they may have registered his birth in Farnworth -- worth checking. The Lancashire BMD website indicates they have not yet completed indexing Farnworth (Subdistrict of Bolton) so you may have to use the GRO Indexes and order directly from the GRO. I checked the 1851 Census for Montgomeryshire and your ISAAC family is not shown (the census was enumerated Sunday, March 30, 1851). You'll need to look for the family in Denbighshire (probably Llangadwaladr) or in Farnworth, LAN, in 1851 - perhaps someone on the other lists will have the 1851 Census or you can sign up for one of the pay-for sites. Once you've obtained the marriage certificate for John ISAAC & Ruth ROBERTS, you can then search for their parents' households in the 1851 & 1841 census and also look for their deaths, monumental inscriptions, etc. I hope this helps. Kind regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Isaac" <brjp.isaac@bigpond.com> To: "POWYS" <POWYS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: [POWYS] John and Ruth Isaac > Dear list, > > Over the past number of years I have been trying to chase up the history > of the Welsh blood that so proudly flows through my veins, > but each time I seem to run into that big brick wall. > > > I am not sure if this is the right list, but anyway will try. > > > This is the family history as I know it. > > > *Great Great Great Grand Father* Edward Isaac*? Nothing known about > Edward Isaac if that is indeed his name. > > * * * * * > > Great Great Grand Father*, John Isaac.* Born Approx, 1823. Born:- > Glyncerrwy, Denbighshire, Wales. > > Great Great Grand Mother*, Ruth Isaac. (Maiden name Ruth Roberts?)* Born > Approx ,1827. Born:-Llangwm, Denbighshire, Wales. > > * * * * * > > Great Grand Father*, Edward Isaac.* Born: 24-January-1851 Born: > Llancadwaladr, Mongomeryshire, Wales. > * > ** * * * ** > > My understanding is that the family moved to Lancashire in England where > *Edward Isaac married to Mary Hamer on 8 July 1871*. > > > I am looking forward to hear of any information regarding my Welsh > background. > > > Grateful thanks for any information. > > > Kind regards, > > > Barry Isaac > > 60 Turners Beach Road, > > Turners Beach, > > Tasmania Australia 7315 > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi It's been a long time since I've partaken in the discussions, but here's one for you all. I would like to know where or even IF I can get hold of a building floor plan, built c.1590 and rebuilt c.1790. Today it would be so easy, just go to the local council and get a copy, but I guess there weren't those provisions all those years ago. Denise, would you know if the Morgans have any such thing? Thanks Justine Justine Orme Sch. L.H.K. Hons. BITE ME MANGO CHILLI SALSA - iTQi Superior taste AWARD 2007 ** Passionate about Chilli - ITQI Superior taste AWARD 2006 ** Innovative Creators of fine Foods for the International Table www.innovativefoods.co.nz

Hello Alison Jane George was born 11 Nov 1784 in Brynparthy, Mgy. John Lewis was born 21 Oct 1970 in Nantmel. Regards Daphne

----- Original Message ----- From: "Orme Family" <ormefam@xtra.co.nz> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [POWYS] OLD HOUSES - PLANS > Hi > > It's been a long time since I've partaken in the discussions, but here's > one > for you all. > I would like to know where or even IF I can get hold of a building floor > plan, built c.1590 and rebuilt c.1790. Do you mean a contemporary plan, prepared in 1590/1790? Or do you mean a more recent plan - possibly drawn up by a modern historian - giving a retrospective impression of what a particular building would have looked like at those dates? If you mean the former, then you have virtually no chance - contemporary architectural drawings or ground plans are simply not going to exist for the overwhelming majority of buildings dating from that time. If you mean the latter, it will obviously depend on the particular building, and whether any historian has ever found it of sufficient interest to study in so much detail (and then to publish the results). In many areas, the current general requirement to submit plans for approval by local building inspectors would date in its modern form from some time around the 1870s. However, whether a particular local authority's collection has survived intact from that far back will vary considerably from place to place. Nor are there many private firms of architects likely to have retained plans from any earlier date. > Today it would be so easy, just go to the local council and get a copy, > but I guess there weren't those provisions all those years ago. I don't think that is correct - councils in the UK today won't necessarily have a permanent blanket policy of always supplying copy plans of private dwellings to all and sundry (including to non-neighbours) if the applicant doesn't actually own the building. However, the exact nature of any such restrictions has traditionally been a matter of individual discretion. AJ

I'm interested in the George's as well. Anne George specifically and her family. Carla Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:28:43 -0000 From: "Alison Skipper" <alison@skippers.org.uk> Subject: [POWYS] RAD - George - Nantmel/Rhayader To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <6fvqsp$79viqo@mars.karoo.kcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anyone else researching the GEORGE family of Nantmel and Rhayader? If so, I would be pleased to hear from you. Thanks, Alison Malvern,UK

Thanks, Daphne. Good luck with your research. Alison

Forwarding for Barry Isaac -- Barry, this message was 'bounced' by the system -- perhaps the posting address you used was incorrect? (Postings should be addressed to: Powys@rootsweb.com ) Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Isaac" <brjp.isaac@bigpond.com> To: "Powys" <powys-bounces@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: John and Ruth Isaac > Dear list, > > Over the past number of years I have been trying to chase up the Welsh > that flows through my veins, but each time I run into that brick wall. > > I am not sure if this is the right list, but any way I will try. > > > Great Great Great Grand Father* Edward Isaac*? Nothing known. > > * * * * * > > Great Great Grand Father*, John Isaac.* Born Approx, 1823. Born:- > Glyncerrwy, Denbighshire, Wales > > Great Great Grand Mother*, Mary Isaac. (Roberts)* Born Approx ,1827. > Born:-Llangwm, Denbighshire, Wales > > * * * * * > > Great Grand Father*, Edward Isaac.* Born: 24-January-1851 Born: > Llancadwaladr, Mongomeryshire, Wales. > > * * * * * > Thanks for any information pertaining to the above. > > > Kind regards, > > > Barry Isaac > > 60 Turners Beach Road, > > Turners Beach, > > Tasmania Australia 7315 > > > >

Yes, his email address is still valid, but I think he's now moved house to another State. Mine is the 2001 version, which I bought a couple of years ago. The update is not forthcoming at the moment.Ann. --------------------------------- Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! for Good

I am hunting for a marriage licence for Benjamin Thomas b. Abt. 1793 and Hannah? b. Abt. 1800 probably in Merthyr Tydil. . Do I have the right place in Wales to start from. They were probably married around 1815-17 as theirf first child was born in 1817. These are my g.g.. grandparents and I have been unable to find them in Wales at all. A great thanks to any one that can lead me in the right direction, Virginia

Hello again, on checking my Lewis file, I see that Jane's parents are Richard George and Eleanor ?????? Daphne