Hi Linda John W. JONES & Elizabeth PUGH possible marriage Machynllth dist Sept qtr 1856. H.T.H. Lynne.

> Towyn is close to Aberdovey. Tywyn is. I believe Towyn is ~70 miles away, on the north Wales coast. :) Alison

Its worth a look at the IGI http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true If you enter Last Name = Jones, Father = Humphrey, Mother = Sarah, Region = British Isles, Batch Number = C057511 and click on "Search" you should get 5 entries - including two Johns. The one baptised 2.10.1825 apparently dies 18.6.1837. The other baptised 4.4.1824 appears to survive. Both are born to a Humphrey & Sarah Jones. Towyn is close to Aberdovey. Something to puzzle over!! Cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [POWYS] John W. Jones and Elizabeth Pugh > > Linda, > > Since both John JONES and Elizabeth were born prior to the advent of Civil > Registration (July 1837), you will not be able to obtain *birth > certificates* for them or any of their forebears. You must locate their > baptism entries in the parish registers (Bishop's Transcripts microfilmed > by > the LDS) or chapel registers (often Calvinistic Methodists or Wesleyan > Methodists - Wesleyan ministers worked a 'circuit' so their registers > cover > a wide area, while Calvinistic Methodist registers are extremely detailed > and a great find). You need to work backward in time through any/all > available documentation, beginning with the marriage certificate and then > locating them in the 1851 & 1841 census returns, hopefully with their > respective families. There will be no record of them living as a married > couple since they married and emigrated between census years. > > Be aware the many Welsh people did not have a middle name or initial but > adopted one upon arrival in the U.S. so don't expect his marriage entry to > have the "W". > A cursury check of www.northwalesbmd.org.uk marriages, Machynlleth > District, > 1856, turned up one possibility for John JONES, Machynlleth, Civil > Marriage > (i.e., took place at the registrar's office), Registers now at > Powys-Machynlleth Supt. Reg. Office, Ref. No. MACH/02/59. > > There are two marries on each page of the register -- these are the other > persons listed: > > ELLIS Elizabeth > LEWIS Ellis > MORRIS Sarah > > Suggest you explore the NorthWalesBMD site and try to order their marriage > certificate. If you contact the Machynlleth Reg. Office directly, they > may > be able to easily tell you if the marriage date matches the date you have > (assuming it's correct). The marriage certificate will provide you with > the > residence of each of them at the time of marriage, occupations, ages > (sometimes says "Full Age"), father's name & occupation. > > Kind regards, > > Julie Preston > juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K.F. gengenbacher" <genbach@hotmail.com> > To: <powys-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:44 PM > Subject: [POWYS] John W. Jones and Elizabeth Pugh > > > > Hello, am new to the list. I am researching John W. Jones, born of > Humphrie > and Sara Jones, who lived near Aberdovey. He was born Sep 25, 1825. On > July > 24, 1856 John married Elizabeth (Pugh?) who was born Feb. 1829, and lived > near Machnylleth. I believe they were married in Machnylleth. In Sept of > 1856 they sailed from Liverpool for America, where they spent the rest of > their lives in Ohio. I have no official documents, such as birth, death, > or > marriage certs. I have high hopes of finding these items, however. Any > help > or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Linda Gengenbacher > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: > 26/02/2008 19:50 > >

Hi John and welcome to Brecon. We Swansea valley people do migrate over the Bwlch once in a while!!! Hilary -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Ball Sent: 27 February 2008 08:22 To: Powys List; Monmouthshiregwent@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Incommunicado till 27th Feb Dear Listers Re: Incommunicado till 27th Feb The move into my permanent new home in Brecon is now complete. I have set up my computer equipment here and my ADSL broadband internet connection is restored. I will now begin to update my website regularly, including the 'Weather in Wales' feature and the Retrospective webpages. Many thanks to all who wished me well in the move. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: Incommunicado till 27th Feb Dear Listers, Incommunicado till 27th Feb I shall be without internet access for the next few days because I am about to move from my temporary accommodation in the Upper Swansea Valley into a permanent new home in Brecon. During the move, my website will remain on-line at its usual URL, but I will not be able to update again it until 27th February, when my ISP has transferred my ADSL broadband internet connection to the new address and I have set up my computer equipment there. In particular, I will be unable to update my Weather in Wales feature until 27th February. I have already uploaded this week's Retrospective webpages. Once settled in my new home, I will return to normal updating of my website. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, formerly of Ystalyfera and Godre'r Graig, now Brecon, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: 26/02/2008 19:50 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: 26/02/2008 19:50

Dear John, I am so glad you move was sucessful and that you are back withus again. I did miss you, and good luck in your new home, Best reagards, Virginia

I envy you, John, Having such a great view to see every day. Edna Pa, USA John, Happy Housewarming! I checked your Home Page at: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ and clicked on the "Weather in Wales" link -- what a spectacular view you have of the Brecon Beacons!!! Best wishes, Julie Preston --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

John, Happy Housewarming! I checked your Home Page at: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ and clicked on the "Weather in Wales" link -- what a spectacular view you have of the Brecon Beacons!!! Best wishes, Julie Preston ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: "Powys List" <powys@rootsweb.com>; <Monmouthshiregwent@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Incommunicado till 27th Feb > Dear Listers > > Re: Incommunicado till 27th Feb > > The move into my permanent new home in Brecon is now complete. I have set > up > my computer equipment here and my ADSL broadband internet connection is > restored. I will now begin to update my website regularly, including the > 'Weather in Wales' feature and the Retrospective webpages. > > Many thanks to all who wished me well in the move. > > > Kind regards, > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Linda, Since both John JONES and Elizabeth were born prior to the advent of Civil Registration (July 1837), you will not be able to obtain *birth certificates* for them or any of their forebears. You must locate their baptism entries in the parish registers (Bishop's Transcripts microfilmed by the LDS) or chapel registers (often Calvinistic Methodists or Wesleyan Methodists - Wesleyan ministers worked a 'circuit' so their registers cover a wide area, while Calvinistic Methodist registers are extremely detailed and a great find). You need to work backward in time through any/all available documentation, beginning with the marriage certificate and then locating them in the 1851 & 1841 census returns, hopefully with their respective families. There will be no record of them living as a married couple since they married and emigrated between census years. Be aware the many Welsh people did not have a middle name or initial but adopted one upon arrival in the U.S. so don't expect his marriage entry to have the "W". A cursury check of www.northwalesbmd.org.uk marriages, Machynlleth District, 1856, turned up one possibility for John JONES, Machynlleth, Civil Marriage (i.e., took place at the registrar's office), Registers now at Powys-Machynlleth Supt. Reg. Office, Ref. No. MACH/02/59. There are two marries on each page of the register -- these are the other persons listed: ELLIS Elizabeth LEWIS Ellis MORRIS Sarah Suggest you explore the NorthWalesBMD site and try to order their marriage certificate. If you contact the Machynlleth Reg. Office directly, they may be able to easily tell you if the marriage date matches the date you have (assuming it's correct). The marriage certificate will provide you with the residence of each of them at the time of marriage, occupations, ages (sometimes says "Full Age"), father's name & occupation. Kind regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.F. gengenbacher" <genbach@hotmail.com> To: <powys-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: [POWYS] John W. Jones and Elizabeth Pugh Hello, am new to the list. I am researching John W. Jones, born of Humphrie and Sara Jones, who lived near Aberdovey. He was born Sep 25, 1825. On July 24, 1856 John married Elizabeth (Pugh?) who was born Feb. 1829, and lived near Machnylleth. I believe they were married in Machnylleth. In Sept of 1856 they sailed from Liverpool for America, where they spent the rest of their lives in Ohio. I have no official documents, such as birth, death, or marriage certs. I have high hopes of finding these items, however. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Linda Gengenbacher _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers Re: Incommunicado till 27th Feb The move into my permanent new home in Brecon is now complete. I have set up my computer equipment here and my ADSL broadband internet connection is restored. I will now begin to update my website regularly, including the 'Weather in Wales' feature and the Retrospective webpages. Many thanks to all who wished me well in the move. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: Incommunicado till 27th Feb Dear Listers, Incommunicado till 27th Feb I shall be without internet access for the next few days because I am about to move from my temporary accommodation in the Upper Swansea Valley into a permanent new home in Brecon. During the move, my website will remain on-line at its usual URL, but I will not be able to update again it until 27th February, when my ISP has transferred my ADSL broadband internet connection to the new address and I have set up my computer equipment there. In particular, I will be unable to update my Weather in Wales feature until 27th February. I have already uploaded this week's Retrospective webpages. Once settled in my new home, I will return to normal updating of my website. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, formerly of Ystalyfera and Godre'r Graig, now Brecon, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hello, am new to the list. I am researching John W. Jones, born of Humphrie and Sara Jones, who lived near Aberdovey. He was born Sep 25, 1825. On July 24, 1856 John married Elizabeth (Pugh?) who was born Feb. 1829, and lived near Machnylleth. I believe they were married in Machnylleth. In Sept of 1856 they sailed from Liverpool for America, where they spent the rest of their lives in Ohio. I have no official documents, such as birth, death, or marriage certs. I have high hopes of finding these items, however. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Linda Gengenbacher _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan

Loren & Cynthia, Do you wish this publicized at www.rootsweb.com/~vtwags/Events.html ? Email me off the list please. Janice @ WAGS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Marshall" <annermarshall@gmail.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: [POWYS] Albany Wisconsin Welsh Reunion > ALBANY WELSH PIONEER FAMILIES & FRIENDS REUNION > WISCONSIN HISTORIC SITE DEDICATION > JUNE 29, 2008 > Family Centered Noon Meals & Program > Albany Lions Club > 12:30 PM > > SAVE THE DATE! > PLEASE PASS THE WORD ALONG > Details & Reservation Information later. Still seeking names for > Invitations. > Contact Loren & Cynthia Bagley > > Email me for contact information > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Roger, Saron Chapel is in Cwmwysg, near Llywel. Thomas Price died on 27/4/1846, aged 32, and Jane, on 15/2/1888 (82). I hope that this helps. Alison

Hello All I finally received confirmation of the parents of my Thomas James HAVARD's (Or James Thomas) as he is sometimes known) and I would be most grateful for some help or ideas. birth Thomas HAVARD born 5th December 1875 Registered at Hay Co. of Brecon & Hereford address at birth 20 Lion Street father Janes HAVARD labourer, mother Hannah HAVARD formerly BEVAN, mark of mother Hannah Havard 20 Lion St registered 3rd Jan 1876 by William Powell Registrar Marriage Marriage solemnized at the Reg. Office District of Hay\Brecon Hereford NO 185/ 22 Sept 1874 James HAVARD 36 yrs widower labourer Residence Hay father Thomas HAVARD deceased Laboror to Hannah BEVAN aged 23 yrs (spinster??) Cusop father James BEVAN miller married in the Register office Both parties signed by mark in the presence of Wm BATT & Cath PAYNE cannot read registrar's name note -James HAVARDS 1st wife was Caroline JONES I believe that Thomas, father of Thomas James Havard died before sept 22 1874 age 70 and is buried at Cusop. Can anyone kindly help with this? I also believe this to be dad in the 1871 census with Thaomas James's mother & brother. 1871 census LLANGWADDEN MILL LLANIGAN Parish RG10 5593 F123 pg 3 Civil parish: Hay Breconshire Thomas Havard Age: 65 birth year: abt 1806 Head born: Glascwm, Radnorshire Margaret Havard Age: 64 birth year: abt 1807 Wife born: Huntington, Herefordshire Joseph Havard Age: 25 birth year: abt 1846 Son born: Hay, Breconshire, I have almost nothing on the BEVAN family except for census data 1881 census data includes a possible birth location of Gladestry Radnorshire and year or abt 1856. I cannot locate father James BEVAN in any census. 1881 Census dwelling Upper Criga?Census place- Cusop Hereford FHL Film 1342315 PRO Ref # RG11 Piece 5470 Folio 79 Pg 4 James Havard M age 48 M Huntington Hereford Head Occu- Gen. Labourer Hannah Havard M age 27 F Gladestry Radnorshire wife John Havard U 12 M Hay Brecknock son occ gen Labourer William Havard 10 M Hay Brecknock son occ- scholar Thomas Havard 5 M Hay Brecknock l son Arthur Havard 3 M Cusop Hereford Alice Havard 1 F Cusop Hereford dau Source information: RG11/5470 ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 79 Page: 4 Thank you kindly in advance I really appreciate any and all helpAngel

ALBANY WELSH PIONEER FAMILIES & FRIENDS REUNION WISCONSIN HISTORIC SITE DEDICATION JUNE 29, 2008 Family Centered Noon Meals & Program Albany Lions Club 12:30 PM SAVE THE DATE! PLEASE PASS THE WORD ALONG Details & Reservation Information later. Still seeking names for Invitations. Contact Loren & Cynthia Bagley Email me for contact information

Hello me !! I know of the following extract from "ROOTS and Branches" pg76, 3rd para. maybe a red herring but...... "Thomas, first son of Thomas and Gladis (PRICE of Portis, then Pencae finally Cae'rllwyn) married Jane daughter of Thomas Havard on 5/12/1843, she died 1888 and is buried at Saron with Thomas who predeceased her in 1846. There is no memtion of children. I'm sure that someone on the list will know where Saron is in relation to Trecastle/Llanddeusant. Regards Roger M Evans

Did you also search under Beavan as listed at Glasbury and Talgarth that I have seen?? Dennis in RAD, Powys

Hi David and Julie, The Glascwm Parish Registers 1681-1901, and Census 1841-1871.and are all on one new CD Rom now at £9-67, and should be available on _www.parishchest.com/_ (http://www.parishchest.com/) or Mike Macsorley, 20 Hospital road, Penpedairheol, Hengoed, Mid-Glamorgan, CF82 8DG I am not sure if MI burial records are on it, or just the deaths,etc?? Dennis Cleaton, RAD, Powys.

Has anyone transcribed the burials for Glascwm church Radnorshire ?? Regards DI Jones

David, I believe I'm safe in stating the burials from 1813-1851 for Glascwm (parish church) are completed, according to Phil Bufton's report in the Dec. 2007 issue of "Cronicl", Powys FHS's journal. I'm not certain whether they've transcribed the monumental inscriptions yet -- I think the National Burials Index project entries are taken from the burial registers. Suggest you contact Phil Bufton to inquire: philbufton@hotmail.com I believe there's a charge if you are not a member of Powys FHS but it should be reasonable. He also has a "Strays Index" for persons from Powys found buried (or baptised, married, obituary, other) outside the county (not parish) of their birth. This would also be a good time to join Powys FHS, as well, since it's the only family history society for Radnorshire ancestry. (Note: The Powys mailing list is not affiliated with Powys FHS or Montgomeryshire Gen. Soc. but members from both societies participate on the list.) Kind regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" <evadlezah01@btinternet.com> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [POWYS] burials > Has anyone transcribed the burials for Glascwm church > Radnorshire ?? > > Regards DI Jones >

Thanks John, and Best Wishes for your Brecon Move, and for all your Pictures,etc, Yrs, Dennis