Hello, I am hoping someone can help me with a couple of questions I have. A family member John Watkins and his wife Gwen Watkins nee Price and their son John are listed as living at Cottage in Llanfigan Parish on the 1881 census. I am having difficulties finding were this location is. I have looked at Old Maps and can not find a Llanfigan. I goggle Llanfigan and do not see anything specific about it. Is there a town by that name in Brecknock (Powys)?? Second question John Watkins Jr. age 12 is listed as a scholar. Does anyone know if there are school records available that might have this John Watkins birthday? I have asked Powys to search for his birth registration (2 census records list his birth place as Llangamarch) and they have not been able to find it. I believe his birth was not registered. Soon after his birth the family moved from Llangammarch to Llanfigan. Any help will be appreciated. Kind Regards Robert Price

Retrospectives: 1999 Solar Eclipse, Ystalyfera, GLA; and Ystalyfera, GLA Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. A record of the August 1999 near total eclipse of the sun, as viewed from Ystalyfera in the county of Glamorgan (eight pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in August 1999, and now appears for the first time as a Retrospectives feature. 2. A visit to Ystalyfera in the county of Glamorgan (four pictures). This feature was one of the first to be shown on 'Images of Wales' back in December 1997. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

On 24 Aug 2010, at 21:06, Craig Wood wrote: <snipped> > Elizabeth JONES, born 1797-1799, in either Llanbrynnais, > Montgomeryshire according to the 1851 census, or Denbigh, > Denbighshire according to the 1861? She was dead by the 1871. > Their children were: > Mary JONES b.1821/2 in either Llanbrynnais, Montgomeryshire (1851) > or Denbigh, Denbighshire (1861). The 1871 simply says Wales and the > 1881 says Manchester, Lancs! She had a daughter Ann illegitimately > (b.1844/5), married William SETTLE in Manchester in 1856 and they > settled in Bolton, Lancs. She was a Dressmaker. > David JONES b.1823/4 but doesn't appear to have been too sure as to > where himself! In 1851 his place of birth is given as Wales - > County Not Known, in 1861 as Wrexham, Wales and in 1881 as simply > Wales (I don't have him in 1871). He married and remained within > the Hulme area of Manchester, where he had x6 children. He was an > Iron Turner. > John JONES b.1825/6 in Llanbrynnais, Montgomeryshire. I loose him > after 1851, so only have the one census for information. > The rest of the family were born after the move to England: <snipped> > Any theories gratefully accepted! > Craig - in Manchester > > Also searching: > ROBERTS from Llanwrst, Wales Correction: Llanbrynnais is very likely to be Llanbrynmair. Llanwrst is Llanrwst. I suggest that you look for the family in the parish registers of Llanbrynmair. -- Regards Dick Jones, Leigh-on-Sea, Essex UK [email protected]

Dear Listers, Those of you who enjoy exploring the 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' on my website may like to know that at 8:30 pm this evening, the BBC4 television channel is showing the third programme in a series entitled 'Churches: How to Read Them'. The series is presented by Richard Taylor, author of 'How to Read a Church - A Guide to Symbols and Meanings in Churches and Cathedrals' (Rider, London, 2003; ISBN 1-8441-3053-3). This evening's episode is entitled: "How churches were designed to give medieval people a way to 'escape' death". The first two episodes are available to view (probably UK only) via the BBC website: Episode 1 - "How churches were originally intended to protect the altar and the rite of the Eucharist" Episode 2 - "How and why parish churches played a crucial role in the everyday life of the Middle Ages" See http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tnp8f Incidentally, I'm currently working on the next subject to be added to the 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection': St David's Church, Llanddew, Breconshire and the nearby Bishop Gower's Well and Bishop's Palace, a favourite residence of Geraldus Cambrensis (Gerald of Wales) in the 12th Century. The 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is at http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Retrospectives: Aberystwyth & Llanbadarn Fawr, CGN; and Dylan Thomas in Wales, CMN/GLA Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. A two-page record of a visit to St Padarn's Church, Llanbadarn Fawr and the seashore at Aberystwyth, in the county of Cardiganshire (eleven pictures). Photography by Julie Bosworth of Canada. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in January 2002. 2. A three-page account of the life in Wales of the poet Dylan Thomas, illustrated with photographs taken in the counties of Glamorgan and Carmarthenshire (twenty-six pictures). Photography by Marita Ulrich of Oregon, USA, and John Ball. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in December 1999. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

To: Powys, This is David Pace, Betty Pace's brother. I am sorry to tell you that Betty has passed away. I've just been able to get access to her email to get the word out. If you have any questions, you can contact me at [email protected] David Pace ---------- Original Message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: POWYS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 265 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:00:52 -0600 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. Today's Topics: 1. Test (Robert Price) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Price <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Test To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Ruth, I have tried to send a message to your personal email address and it was returned as undeliverable. I am not sure what is going on. Perhaps you set up a filter to block my emails?? Robert ------------------------------ To contact the POWYS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POWYS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POWYS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 265 ************************************* ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

Hi Ruth, I have tried to send a message to your personal email address and it was returned as undeliverable. I am not sure what is going on. Perhaps you set up a filter to block my emails?? Robert

Message below forwarded on behalf of Bryn Richards whose address <[email protected]> is not currently subscribed to this list. Please respond directly to Bryn as well as to the List. John Ball List Administrator ================ Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:26 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Pantycelin Chaple Record Hi Robert, I also have some ancestors who attended Pantycelin Chapel in Llanfihangel Abergwessin, Breconshire. I am like to know where the records you refer to of Pantycelin Chapel by David Woodings can be examined. Thank you. Bryn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Price <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Pantycelin Chaple Record > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you Rhian, > Sounds right to me. The whole page is entries of either Adferwyd or > Bedyddwyd > and then some notes about the individuals by Woodings. > Thank You so much > Robert

Hi Bryn, The Pantycelin Chaple record is available at the NLW and the LDS church has filmed it. It is LDS film #839712 item 17. I will send you a seperate email as well. Cheers Robert ________________________________ From: John Ball <[email protected]> To: Powys List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 10:31:48 AM Subject: [POWYS] Fw: Pantycelin Chaple Record Message below forwarded on behalf of Bryn Richards whose address <[email protected]> is not currently subscribed to this list. Please respond directly to Bryn as well as to the List. John Ball List Administrator ================ Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:26 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Pantycelin Chaple Record Hi Robert, I also have some ancestors who attended Pantycelin Chapel in Llanfihangel Abergwessin, Breconshire. I am like to know where the records you refer to of Pantycelin Chapel by David Woodings can be examined. Thank you. Bryn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Price <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Pantycelin Chaple Record > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you Rhian, > Sounds right to me. The whole page is entries of either Adferwyd or > Bedyddwyd > and then some notes about the individuals by Woodings. > Thank You so much > Robert =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are some free sites that provide online Welsh to English translations, such as: www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=English&to=Welsh which I use sometimes. Like other such sites it's not completely reliable, but I do find it useful as someone with some knowledge of Welsh but not fluent. Best wishes Martin Martin Hughes On 5 September 2010 18:29, Venita Roylance <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > I just read an article in a magazine about this translation software which > includes Welsh in its list of languages it can translate to/ from! This is > the first time I have seen Welsh listed for such programs. I haven't used > it, so I don't know how well it works, but it looks promising. It is > available for Mac or Windows, costs about $60 US, and it offers a 14 day > free trial. The website is http://acetools.net/ If anyone gets it, > please let us all know what you think of it. > > Venita > > Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations > http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/home.html > > My Views of Wales > http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/Travels/Travels.html > > Just Picture It - Wales (Links to other photo sites) > http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/Photolinks/photolinks.html > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Martin Hughes Trem Siriol, 29 Heol y Bryn, Harlech, Gwynedd LL46 2TU Tel: 01766 781290 Mob: 0778 7112649 Email: [email protected]

Dear Listers, Fellow Powys List member David James <[email protected]> e-mailed me today with the following info that I think is worthy of distribution on the Powys List. ------------ Bought a Oct 2010 edition of "Family Tree" magazine yesterday and it has an extremely helpful and interesting article about how to get the best out of Free BMD. Like many others I have been using it for years but I never realised the full extent of its usefulness until I read the article. ------------ Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hi Listers, I just read an article in a magazine about this translation software which includes Welsh in its list of languages it can translate to/ from! This is the first time I have seen Welsh listed for such programs. I haven't used it, so I don't know how well it works, but it looks promising. It is available for Mac or Windows, costs about $60 US, and it offers a 14 day free trial. The website is http://acetools.net/ If anyone gets it, please let us all know what you think of it. Venita Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/home.html My Views of Wales http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/Travels/Travels.html Just Picture It - Wales (Links to other photo sites) http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/Photolinks/photolinks.html

Hi Listers, In this month's Family Tree Magazine - www.family-tree.co.uk - has a really excellent article entitled 'Getting the most out of Free BMD'. It is really worth getting this magazine, as there is so much one can do to make the most of our searches as there are lots of tips within the article, on how to get better results and interpreting them. I would like to thank our Glamorgan List Admin Jeff Coleman here for all the work he does in co-ordinating his group of transcribers, and of course the transcribers themselves. Many thanks Jeff. Kind regards, Jill http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com - an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.

Thank you, John, I really liked that photo of Abertillery through the trees. It was amazing how they built rows of housing right on the rocks, on the side of their mountain. And the photos of Tenby and Beach were like a guided tour. It was fascinating that the boaters anchor their boats in the shallow harbour, and at low tide they are all sitting on the sand, no water in sight! And there's a story about lost keys... Have a look, everyone! EE -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ball Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:37 AM To: Powys List; Glamorgan List Subject: [POWYS] Retrospectives: Abertillery, MON; and Tenby, PEM Retrospectives: Abertillery, MON; and Tenby, PEM Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. Views of Abertillery in the Ebbw Fach valley, county of Monmouthshire (three pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in September 1998. 2. A visit to the seaside resort of Tenby in the county of Pembrokeshire (ten pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Retrospectives: Abertillery, MON; and Tenby, PEM Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. Views of Abertillery in the Ebbw Fach valley, county of Monmouthshire (three pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in September 1998. 2. A visit to the seaside resort of Tenby in the county of Pembrokeshire (ten pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

T. Forey Marston <[email protected]> wrote: does anyone know the extent of the Breconshire ownership by Rees Williams of Aberpergwm who was Sheriff in the early 1800s (1808 to 1812), I can not sought it out? =============== Dear Forey, The information from the Aberpergwm Estate papers to which I referred in my e-mail of 26 August, included the statement that "The estate consisted in the main of a large area in the parish of Cadoxton-juxta-Neath, principally in the hamlets of Neath Higher and Neath Middle, in the manor of Neath Ultra and Cilybebyll, and **adjacent areas in Brecknockshire**." You therefore need to familiarise yourself with the geography of those parts of Breconshire which share a border with Glamorgan and are close to the parishes of Cilybebyll and Cadoxton-juxta-Neath, and related hamlets in Glamorgan. The Aberpergwm Estate papers held by West Glamorgan Archives in Swansea are described on its website at: http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=29458 The estate papers make reference to the Breconshire parishes of Ystradgynlais and Penderyn, both of which border on Glamorgan. We already know that the Williams owned the land at Gwaun-clawdd (in Ystradgynlais parish), and the Estate papers also refer to the Cilhepste Estate (in Penderyn Parish). You would really need to make a thorough study of the estate papers in order to sort out the extent and location of the lands owned by the Williams family of Aberpergwm in the early years of the 19th century. A little later in the 19th century, detailed 'tithe maps' were drawn up, showing land ownership for tax purposes. Breconshire tithe maps are held by public libraries in the county, by the Powys County Archives (Llandrindod Wells), and by the National Library of Wales (Aberystwyth). Tithe maps are not generally accessible on-line. Even later in the 19th century (in 1873) a survey of land ownership was produced for Parliament, commonly known as the "Returns of Owners of Land 1873". The returns are presented in the form of tables whose headings are as follows: Name of Owner Address of Owner Extent of Lands (in acres) Gross Estimated Rental The returns for the counties of Pembrokshire, Carmarthenshire, Breconshire, and Glamorgan have been digitised and published on CD by 'The Archive CD Books Project', whose US website is at http://www.archivecdbooksusa.com/ Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hi, does anyone know the extent of the Breconshire ownership by Rees Williams of Aberpergwm who was Sheriff in the early 1800s (1808 to 1812), I can not sought it out? T. Forey Marston.

Dear Listers, In August 2010, 110 messages were distributed via the List, a satisfying level of activity for the height of the holiday season. The second half of the month was particularly active. Currently there are 434 members subscribed to the List, a net increase of three on last month's figure. Keep up the good work! Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/

Hi All , i have WATKIN ancestors of Llandaff glamorgan namely EDMOND WATKIN c 1780's the name appears to be quite rare i haven't seen it mentioned on the lists be great to find out more about this line . He married Ann Llewellyn at Llandaff . Cheers denis edwards Sydney Australia

Thank you, Rhian, and others. I think the likeliest looking candidate is "ridge." It's strange, as I found that word on other place names when I was Googling for it. Thanks! Katherine Benbow