Thanks Dave.Sorry I couldn't give you something of use but thanks again for your input.Chris

Hi Susan , Which census and what is the census reference , Maybe we could take a look. Lynne.

You're very welcome John I am always amazed at how people moved between properties in their local area - its almost like a merry go round!  I found this with my relatives in Breconshire. I am always up for a challenge so will look into the Griffiths family and see if I can find anything in 1841. Sue ----- Original Message ---- From: John Ball <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 2 October, 2010 10:49:21 Subject: Re: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Wernyclace' (formerly 'Aberyclose') MGY Dear Sue and Dave, Many thanks to you both for your splendid detective work. I follow the logic of Dave's argument, and agree that what was recorded as Wernyclace in the 1835 parish register, was recorded as 'Claie' (1836 OS) became 'Werny-clase' (in 1841 census), 'Wernyclase' (1851 census), 'Upper Clase' (1861 census), 'Clase Upper' (1881 census), 'Waen Las' (1886 OS), 'Clase' (1891 & 1901 censuses) 'Waen Las' (OS up to 1982), 'Upper Claes' (OS 1983 to present) Yes - the new Old-Maps website really is a wonderful resource! The Griffiths family had indeed moved on by 1841. They had children born in Caersws circa 1836 and 1838 and another born in Llanidloes in 1843, although we've been unable to locate them on the 1841 census. Based on data from the 1851 census, in 1841 the family should have consisted of: James Griffiths, age 28-ish (Head), born Llandinam Margaret, 28-ish (Wife), born Llandinam Thomas, 5-ish (Son), born Caersws James, 3-ish (Son), born Caersws plus any other children who died before 1851. Thanks again for your help in identifying 'Wernyclace'. If anyone would like to take up the challenge of finding this Griffiths family in the 1841, we'd be very grateful. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris, Thanks for that steer; very much appreciated. I've often found live-in grandsons and sisters-in-law very useful indeed for making holes in brick walls. In this case, though, I can't find any links. My GG grandfather Edward Meredith had two brothers: John b C1807 who married Mary Powell and Thomas b C1820 who married Catherine Price - so no Thomases there. Their father was John Meredith b C1784. He had no brothers, just one sister, so the Meredith who married Elizabeth Thomas's daughter must have come from an earlier branch of the family - there were a lot of Merediths in the area. In 1841 Edwin appears to have been living with his parents Thomas Meredith and Sarah (presumably nee Thomas) at Park Farm in Eskirmaen. In 1851 there are a Thomas and Sarah Meredith living in Trevedid MGY with five children who look as though they could be them. There are slight anomalies in ages, but that was quite common in those days. Looks as though Edwin had been sent off to help his grandmother run the farm. You asked about Elizabeth Thomas's husband. There were no names recorded on censuses before 1841, just population numbers, so they are no help. We know that Elizabeth had daughters Elizabeth (b 1811-16), Sarah (b 1816-21), Mary (b 1816-21), and Jane (b 1824-25). From the IGI records there were christenings in Llanidloes chapels for Mary Thomas 15 Oct 1816 and Sarah Thomas 15 Oct 1818 to parents James Thomas and Elizabeth Lewis. Eskirmaen is closer to Llanidloes than it is to its own parish Llandinam. From the IGI records James and Elizabeth also had daughters Ann b 12 Nov 1814 and Margaret b 2 Mar 1821. The death of a James Thomas is recorded in Newtown registration district, which covers Llandinam, in the Dec quarter of 1838. The pound is worth just a few NZ cents at the moment, so it could be worthwhile to invest in that death certificate for James Thomas - it will give you his address and age and who registered the death, which should tell you if it is the one you are interested in. Correction to something I posted previously. I thought Eskirmaen was a detached township of Llandinam parish in 1841. Further research has shown me that Llandinam parish was actually continuous all the way down to Eskirmaen at that time, so it wasn't detached - just a long way out. Good hunting. Dave in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: stringer To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: [POWYS] regarding Lewis Eskirmain Message for Dave from Oz.Was reading over you e-mail and saw that the name Meredith was mentioned.In the 1851 census Elizabeth Thomas was living at Lodge and there was a Grandson named Edwin Meredith there with her.There may or may not be a connection there but it interested me some what. Chris from NZ

Can anyone tell me who Elizabeth Thomas was married to.In 1841 she seems to be a widow running the farm Lodge, Llandinam Eskirmaen.If someone has access to the census before 1841 it may mention other children in the family.I know that there is an Elizabeth and a Jane but there is such an age difference..10 years,that there is bound to have been other children.Thanks

Message for Dave from Oz.Was reading over you e-mail and saw that the name Meredith was mentioned.In the 1851 census Elizabeth Thomas was living at Lodge and there was a Grandson named Edwin Meredith there with her.There may or may not be a connection there but it interested me some what. Chris from NZ

Hi John, Your question about 'Wernyclace' proved a tricky one, but I think I might have found it. If I'm right it's located about a kilometre south-east of the centre of Llandinam between Draintewion and Cobblers Gate and it is shown as 'Upper Claes' on the modern 25k map - grid ref SO 033877. As Sue pointed out, in 1841 David Tibbot was living at 'Werny-clase' which, from the surrounding properties, was somewhere near Cobblers Gate east of Llandinam village. By 1851 David Tibbot had moved to Green lane, also near Cobblers Gate, and John Richards, farmer of 35 acres, was living at 'Wernyclase'. Adjacent properties in 1851 are: Draintiwon, Lower Draintiwon, Hill, Hill, and Old Barn The 1861 census records John Richards at 'Upper Clase' farm - now 20 acres. Adjacent properties are Old Barn, Claes, Draintewin Lower Farm and Draintewin Upper Farm. Clase and Draentiwon are listed on the 1871 census, but the other farms around there appear to have been unoccupied. In 1881 the property is 'Clase Upper' and Edward Humphreys is farming 30 acres. In 1891 and 1901 he was still there, but the property is recorded as simply 'Clase'. The 1836 OS first series map showed the property now called 'Upper Claes' as 'Claie'. The 1886 1:2500 map of Montgomeryshire (isn't Old Maps wonderful now!) records the name as 'Waen Las' and OS continued using that name until 1983 when it changed to 'Upper Claes'. Regards Dave in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ball To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY Hello List, Thanks to Nicola Bennett-Jones for her suggestions. We've since visited Powys Archives and had a close look at the original entry in the parish burial register for Llandinam (MGY. "Aberyclose" seems to have been a rather poor transcription of the residence of 10-month-old James Griffiths, who was buried at Llandinam on 3 April 1835. The entry in the original register looks to me like "Wernyclace". You can see the original entry on my website at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/placename.gif The relevant entry is circled in red. I'd be glad of Powys Listers' opinions on the place-name - and its possible location. Kind regards, John

Hello, In one of the census records for my ancestor his birthplace was given as PRAKURN. I can't seem to find any reference to it. Any help will be much appreciated! Susan Larkin

Sue Ashton <[email protected]> wrote: the 1841 census has a family TIBBOT living at a place called Werny clase in Landinam - he is a farmer (age 53) so it possibly was the name of the farm. Perhaps the Griffiths had moved on from here by 1841. Maybe you could find it on the local tithe map or an early ordnance survey map. Folio Ref is HO107/1436/2 - Dave Matthews (in Oz) <[email protected]> wrote: Your question about 'Wernyclace' proved a tricky one, but I think I might have found it. If I'm right it's located about a kilometre south-east of the centre of Llandinam between Draintewion and Cobblers Gate and it is shown as 'Upper Claes' on the modern 25k map - grid ref SO 033877. ============= Dear Sue and Dave, Many thanks to you both for your splendid detective work. I follow the logic of Dave's argument, and agree that what was recorded as Wernyclace in the 1835 parish register, was recorded as 'Claie' (1836 OS) became 'Werny-clase' (in 1841 census), 'Wernyclase' (1851 census), 'Upper Clase' (1861 census), 'Clase Upper' (1881 census), 'Waen Las' (1886 OS), 'Clase' (1891 & 1901 censuses) 'Waen Las' (OS up to 1982), 'Upper Claes' (OS 1983 to present) Yes - the new Old-Maps website really is a wonderful resource! The Griffiths family had indeed moved on by 1841. They had children born in Caersws circa 1836 and 1838 and another born in Llanidloes in 1843, although we've been unable to locate them on the 1841 census. Based on data from the 1851 census, in 1841 the family should have consisted of: James Griffiths, age 28-ish (Head), born Llandinam Margaret, 28-ish (Wife), born Llandinam Thomas, 5-ish (Son), born Caersws James, 3-ish (Son), born Caersws plus any other children who died before 1851. Thanks again for your help in identifying 'Wernyclace'. If anyone would like to take up the challenge of finding this Griffiths family in the 1841, we'd be very grateful. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Retrospectives: Canal Aqueduct, Ystalyfera, GLA; and Sir William Nott, Carmarthen, CMN Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. The 200-year-old aqueduct in Ystalyfera, which carried the Swansea Canal over the river Twrch, county of Glamorgan (one picture). This feature was first one of the first shown on 'Images of Wales' back in December 1997. 2. The life of the 19th century military hero Major General Sir William Nott, and his connections with Carmarthen (fourteen pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in July 2004. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

John the 1841 census has a family TIBBOT living at a place called Werny clase in Landinam - he is a farmer (age 53) so it possibly was the name of the farm.  Perhaps the Griffiths had moved on from here by 1841. Maybe you could find it on the local tithe map or an early ordnance survey map.  Folio Ref is HO107/1436/2 - Sue Newark ========== Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:22:28 +0100 From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY To: "Powys List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Listers, Can anyone suggest where a birth/death place quoted as 'ABERYCLOSE' might be, probably in Llandinam parish, Montgomeryshire? The name is mentioned in some family documents relating to a Griffiths family living in Llandinam in the mid 1830s. It may well be a property/farm rather than a place, but I can't find anything in my gazetteers which even remotely resembles 'Aberyclose'. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ------------------------------ To contact the POWYS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POWYS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POWYS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 274 ************************************* =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, Thanks to Nicola Bennett-Jones for her suggestions. We've since visited Powys Archives and had a close look at the original entry in the parish burial register for Llandinam (MGY. "Aberyclose" seems to have been a rather poor transcription of the residence of 10-month-old James Griffiths, who was buried at Llandinam on 3 April 1835. The entry in the original register looks to me like "Wernyclace". You can see the original entry on my website at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/placename.gif The relevant entry is circled in red. I'd be glad of Powys Listers' opinions on the place-name - and its possible location. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicola Bennett-Jones" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:00 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY (John Ball) Hi John There are number of dwellings in Llandinam which come up in censuses called Clase. Also a Cloesfynnon and Cloisybank. No Griffiths in the in the ones I have checked though. Nicola BJ ========== Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:22:28 +0100 From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Place-name query - 'Aberyclose' MGY To: "Powys List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Listers, Can anyone suggest where a birth/death place quoted as 'ABERYCLOSE' might be, probably in Llandinam parish, Montgomeryshire? The name is mentioned in some family documents relating to a Griffiths family living in Llandinam in the mid 1830s. It may well be a property/farm rather than a place, but I can't find anything in my gazetteers which even remotely resembles 'Aberyclose'. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ------------------------------ To contact the POWYS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POWYS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POWYS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 274 ************************************* =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, In September 2010, only 45 messages were distributed via the Powys List, the quietest month for several years. Such a low level of activity is difficult to explain. Currently there are 435 members subscribed to the List, a net increase of one on last month's figure. I hope to be able to report a substantial increase in list activity in October! Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/

Thanks for that Dave.Interesting about your family.Hard work but fun too eh,Chris NZ

Dear Listers, Those of you with Breconshire interests may like to know that the latest monthly Newsletter (No. 11) produced by the Powys Family History Society's 'Brecknock Group' is released today. This and all previous Newsletters can be viewed as PDF files on the Brecknock Group's website at: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ On the homepage, click on 'News' then 'Newsletters'. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Message below forwarded to the Powys List on behalf of David Pace, brother of recently deceased Powys List member, Betty Pace. David's eulogy is appended at the bottom of his e-mail. John Ball List Admin -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Pace" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Obituary of Betty Pace I am the brother of Betty Pace, who was a contributor to this list. Betty's burial was held yesterday, Friday September 24, 2010. Her obituary is posted at http://obit.hdoliver.com/obit_display.cgi?id=832866 and the eulogy which I read at her burial is attached. In addition, there are some photographs of Betty at http://drop.io/86hqe30 I appreciate the many messages of support which I have received from the genealogy community. It is a testament to my sister that so many people who never met her thought so highly of her. Sincerely, David Pace ======================== Betty A. Pace - Eulogy We have come together today to say a last farewell to my sister, Betty Ann Pace. Her name on her birth certificate was Elizabeth, but her driver's license, her college diploma, and even her social security card all say "Betty." Our father died when Betty was only 14. She had been very close to him, and his loss was hard on her. After graduation from high school, Betty immediately went into the work force-of necessity. She worked at the Navy base and then for a pharmaceuticals company, saving up enough money to return to school. After nine years, she left her clerical jobs and started college full time. She majored in English at what was then the Norfolk Branch of the College of William and Mary. She was graduated with honors and a 3.8 grade point average, having received no grade less than a B. She placed fourth in her class of 293 students, and first among English majors. Soon she became a high school English teacher. The best testament to her teaching success would come from her students. It happens that one of her students was interviewed in the local newspaper after graduating and going into the Hollywood film industry. The student's name is Barbara Anne Klein, a Hollywood stunt woman with appearances in over 170 movie and TV productions, including such shows as Sleepless in Seattle, Superman II, Independence Day, and Batman Forever. In the newspaper interview, Miss Klein was asked what was the "last smart thing you did." Her reply was "I listened to my Kempsville High School English teacher, Miss Pace, who said 'if you put your mind to it, you can do anything!' I'm still looking for her to thank her." I found that clipping and got the email address for Miss Klein in Hollywood. She called me and emailed me immediately in reply. Here are some email excerpts: "I am shocked to near this news. THANK YOU so much for taking the time to contact me. I just adored Betty Pace. I have cited her many times when talking about goal setting, overcoming fears, etc. She inspired me to want to work with kids in volunteer positions (outreach to troubled youth for example). "That news article . led to many phone calls between us. I would call almost every time I returned to Virginia Beach to tell her that she STILL has an influence on my heart. "Betty Pace influenced my life from a very pivotal time...age 17, a time when most kids choose the direction of their life path. I am so thankful that God landed me in a front row seat of Miss Pace's Senior English Class. She didn't just teach nouns and verbs in that English class, she taught us HOW to think for ourselves. "Betty Pace was part of a series of influences that got me started in founding 'Angel Partners, Inc.' a Non Profit Organization which has helped many people around the world. Upon my last visit to Virginia Beach, my fiancé suggested that we buy a section of the boardwalk (where many teenagers would see every day at the beach) and create a monument to the wonderful teachers of the world, with Betty Pace as the figurehead. He even wanted to have a life sized statue made of her image, so that her influence would continue, as teens would walk by and stop to read its message. This is HOW much she meant to me. "Many other students felt the same way about her. Even at the Old Dominion University Campus, I ran into kids who still spoke of her. "This will sound funny...but I am currently preparing to roll a car over as a stunt in a movie. . When Miss Pace phoned my mother to reply to my newspaper article quote, she said 'I can't believe I influenced ANYONE to become a STUNT performer.... I'm afraid to EVEN DRIVE A CAR!' I will think of her on the set, right before I perform this car rolling stunt.... if she ONLY knew.... "Another time on a TV talk show I was asked why I became a Hollywood Stuntwoman. I said 'I WANTED to be JUST like Miss Pace, my high school English teacher. But that job seemed WAY TOO HARD, so I became a stuntwoman instead.' I appreciate Barbara Anne Klein's taking an overnight flight from Los Angeles to Norfolk to be here today. She came here without sleep or food, and I invite her to say a few words if she can stay awake. ---------------- Insert comments by Barbara Anne Klein. ---------------- In addition to being a teacher, Betty was also a talented writer and artist. She had at least three short stories published in magazines. As a painter and sculptor, she exhibited her work in Tidewater art shows. There are some samples of her work on display here. I'd like to tell one story of an incident in my college years. I was home on a school break and met a new acquaintance. I and some others went over to the new friend's house one day. As I entered the living room, I was awe-struck. Hanging over the fireplace was a picture that I recognized immediately as having been painted by Betty! I mentioned it to her later, but she was pretty matter of fact about it: "oh, yeah, they bought that picture from me a while back." I was impressed, even if she was not. Her last intellectual pursuit was genealogy. Betty got interested in tracking down our family history and soon gained some renown in the field. She spent many hours writing to records repositories, getting copies of census sheets, marriage records, cemetery records, and other documents. She traced back our father's family to Richard Pace of the Jamestown colony of the early 1600s. She traced back our Mother's family to a line of Welsh kings. Once you connect to a king, there are books and books of documentation, so that through the Morgan family we can show an unbroken line of ancestors to the year 548BC. Betty was an active contributor to several genealogy email lists. Again, I'll refer to quotes from those with first-hand knowledge of her work. When I notified them of her death, here are some of the replies that I received, mostly from people who never laid eyes on her yet who held her in the highest regard: "The genealogy community lost a tireless worker with your sister's death. You might consider donating copies of her work to a library." Lolene Newman "I think most of us on the Rowan Co list were at one time or another the lucky recipients of Betty's generous lookups and wonderful information on our ancestors. Betty was a very special person and extremely gifted genealogist." Carina Slack "I have never met Betty but have always looked in earnest to the day I could have the chance to meet her and talk of the many times I've seen her name appear in the mailing lists in England and Wales. It was almost funny, to put in "PACE" as the search word and many results would come up having Betty's name attached to them. Could I ask if you have any pictures of Betty or anything that I could include in a memoriam on the Pace Society web page I'd like to create for her. She has been a most giving and accomplished researcher. Personally, I always looked forward to any words from her." Another said "Right from the start of my research she was there for me. With all of the family research, Betty really was the one in charge. She was a real professional. She always had proof for her work and would never put a concrete seal on research unless there was evidence." Joyce O'Boyle "Her e-mails were always enjoyed, and I will miss her work and comments. Betty seemed to enjoy doing the research and sharing her findings." Shirley Graham "I never knew Betty, except via the internet, but I always knew that I would like her. She sounded like a good, genuine person, and she was a careful and thoughtful researcher." Jeaneane Williams "She was a major contributor to the Rowan List, among others I'm sure. I would appreciate, as I'm sure others on the Rowan List would, if you would post her obituary." Myrna Madigan "Of all the folks that posted to the Rowan board, Betty was always calm and level headed and always had wonderful information." Sherry There were many more of these messages that I omitted, but I think this tells the story. I thank Bob Julian for coming here today from his home in North Carolina. Bob is a genealogy researcher who has never seen Betty but wanted to be here today. I will conclude by noting that I started this eulogy saying not that it was a goodbye to Betty, but rather a farewell. That is, this is a wish and a prayer for her. A better expression is the German equivalent, Auf Wiedersehen, meaning "until we see each other again." Betty has now had a reunion with our father whom she missed so much, with our brother, Wakie, who went before us, and with our mother, who passed away just a few months ago in March. Watching over Mother was Betty's last great task in life, and now they are together again, with that task fulfilled. So Betty, from those of us gathered here, Auf Wiedersehen.

Retrospectives: Mountain Ash, GLA; and Llandrindod Wells, RAD Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. A two-page record of a visit to the former coal-mining village of Mountain Ash in the Cynon Valley, county of Glamorgan (twenty-five pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in March 2004. 2. A walk around the Victorian Spa town of Llandrindod Wells in the county of Radnorshire (seven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in October 1998. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hi Stringer, Llandinam Eskirmaen (now called Esgair Maen) is tricky to find because although it was part of Llandinam parish in 1841, it was a detached township located about three miles south-east of Llanidloes. Lodge is still there - it is marked on the modern 25K Ordnance Survey map at map reference SO001799. Most of the other properties listed in Eskirmaen on the 1841 census are still there too. A road passes through Lodge farm and Google Maps has a street view which shows that some of the outbuildings are original, although there doesn't appear to be any sign of the original farmhouse. To find Lodge on Google Maps search for Tylwch and look for the buildings 1500 metres due east from there. My interest in your question stemmed from the fact that my GG grandmother, Jane Lewis, was born in Llandinam in 1816. I have never managed to find any record of her Lewis family in Llandinam, though. As Jane married Edward Meredith of Bwlch-y-sarnau, which is just a few miles south of Eskirmaen, I suspect now that my Lewises may have lived in Eskirmaen rather than Llandinam itself. Regards Dave in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "stringer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:17 AM Subject: [POWYS] re Edward and Jane Evans > > Thanks Lynne...have tried to find LODGE LLANDINAM ESKIIRMAEN but can > not.Wonder if it either does not exist now,or has been renamed.Was it a > very big farm.Wonder if there are any old photo's of it........ > >

Hello all. This is a repeat request. My Gt Grandmother, Ann Jones, was born in 1835 at Pen Y Gaer, Llanwyddelan. Pen Y Gaer was a rough building consisting of two adjoining cottages (no longer there). Those cottages were just inside the Llanwyddelan township border adjacent to ADFA but they were then attached to the farm, Llwyncoppin (still there), which has an ADFA address. Resident at Llanwyddelan then was the Gittins family and Ann Jones' mother was Ann Gittins, a daughter of the farm. There is a website dedicated to the name Gittins and I have tried to register the Llwyncoppa Gittinses on that site but they don't seem to want to know. Gittins is a name that appears on the 1841 and 1851 census returns for the area quite frequently. I wonder if there are others who are researching this family. Heddwch Mike. Mike Llywelyn Cox [email protected] http://www.ppeyes.org.uk http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com A NSUN (http://www.nsun.org.uk) member A http://www.solnetwork.org.uk member. Family History www.wotashower.co.uk

Thanks Lynne...have tried to find LODGE LLANDINAM ESKIIRMAEN but can not.Wonder if it either does not exist now,or has been renamed.Was it a very big farm.Wonder if there are any old photo's of it........