Is this she? Or not, but I didn't find Kernog but on the image for the below it sure does show a loop below the line, but the image is not good or the page is awful Eliz Name: Ann Pritchard Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1809 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: David Pritchard Mother's name: Jane Pritchard Gender: Female Where born: Temon, Breconshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly County/Island: Breconshire Country: Wales Registration district: Crickhowell Sub-registration district: Cwmdu ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age David Pritchard 42 Ann Pritchard 42 Elizabeth Pritchard 8 William Pritchard 15 Ann Pritchard 13 Margare Pritchard 8 John Philpotts 12 Mary Philpottst 15 Jane Pritchard 60 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2490; Folio: 356; Page: 8; GSU roll: 104251-104252. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:22 AM, R Davies <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, >        Would someone please have a look at the 1851 census for Ann > Pritchard b.1809 Breconshire? > Would they then tell me where she was born? I have the census,but make > out her birthplace as > Vernog.....while it's transcribed as Kernog. And finally,if you > know,could you tell me where it is? >           Thank you >            Roy > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To Powys and rufhay, Thanks to Ruth,I have received the marriage certificate of David Pritchard and Ann Philpots,this morning. And Ruth, you were correct again in your guess that Ann's maiden name was Williams. Her father was David Williams, labourer. Much appreciated Roy

Thanks for the feedback, Roy. It's always nice when a bit of detective work pays off. Hope you can now make some progress with your Williams line. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: R Davies <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:28 Subject: [POWYS] David & Ann PRITCHARD To Powys and rufhay, Thanks to Ruth,I have received the arriage certificate of David Pritchard and Ann Philpots,this morning. nd Ruth, you were correct again in your guess that Ann's maiden name as Williams. Her father was David Williams, labourer. Much appreciated Roy =================== isit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I'm looking for information or a parish birth/baptism record for Daniel Jenner; born abt 1807, Breconshire, Wales, around Tolgate or Talgarth. I am looking to find out who his parents were and potentially his paternal grandparents. Daniel married Sarah Jones in Ashchurch, Woolstone, Gloucestershire, 1835, they had 4 children that I know of; Daniel Jr,. Sarah, Elizabeth and James. Any information or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Laureen

Hi Rhian Hadn't thought of that - thanks! I'll look for neighbours! Frances --- On Sat, 4/12/10, Rhian Williams <[email protected]> wrote: From: Rhian Williams <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [POWYS] adoptions To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 4 December, 2010, 16:57 Hi Frances I was wondering if you are sure that 'adopted nephew' is a blood relative? My instinct would be that he might be the son of a close friend and so was 'as if' he was a nephew. Certainly in my family for several generations close friends of the family, but who were not relatives, would be known by the children as uncle and aunt. One might assume therefore that the reverse might be true, especially if the parent died and he came to join the family, that the child of a friend might be considered a nephew. The surname Davies may just be a red herring. I've got an adopted son in my late 19th century family who, we think, joined the family not as a baby but maybe as 10 years old, so less likely to be an illegitimate son. Unfortunately that side of the family has not been very plentiful and has mostly died so I've got little evidence. I've not found the connection and do believe he may just have been the son of a friend who died young. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Laird" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: [POWYS] adoptions Hi List A photograph I have, taken at the end of the 1800s, shows the complete family including my great- grandmother, Ellen Davies, as a young girl. My grandmother told me that one of the 'boys' in the photograph was an 'adopted nephew', Frederick Davies. The family lived in Welshpool and all of them had the surname Davies (yes, I know!). He was born on 4th June 1872 (exact date), but I can't find any suitable record for his birth. (My great grandmother's mother's maiden name was Elizabeth Gittins and I have tried that name too.) I assume Fred was either illegitimate or his parents died - the adoptive family certainly weren't short of children themselves; their final count was 10 including Fred!!) Anyone have any ideas? By the way, Ellen Davies' father, Robert, fitted the carpet at Welshpool Castle - although he was a tailor by trade. Thanks everyone Frances =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I find Evan Nock of Lifior, Berriew, with the occupation of SENIOR. Can anyone tell me what that is? Also, I have found his abode spelled Livior and Lifior. Are both correct? Regards, Tomi

Thank you Ann for the date of marriage and the information concerning the problems with the Parish Registers and Bishops Transcripts. I live in hope that one day I'll find her birth. Regards Daphne

Hi Frances I was wondering if you are sure that 'adopted nephew' is a blood relative? My instinct would be that he might be the son of a close friend and so was 'as if' he was a nephew. Certainly in my family for several generations close friends of the family, but who were not relatives, would be known by the children as uncle and aunt. One might assume therefore that the reverse might be true, especially if the parent died and he came to join the family, that the child of a friend might be considered a nephew. The surname Davies may just be a red herring. I've got an adopted son in my late 19th century family who, we think, joined the family not as a baby but maybe as 10 years old, so less likely to be an illegitimate son. Unfortunately that side of the family has not been very plentiful and has mostly died so I've got little evidence. I've not found the connection and do believe he may just have been the son of a friend who died young. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Laird" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: [POWYS] adoptions Hi List A photograph I have, taken at the end of the 1800s, shows the complete family including my great- grandmother, Ellen Davies, as a young girl. My grandmother told me that one of the 'boys' in the photograph was an 'adopted nephew', Frederick Davies. The family lived in Welshpool and all of them had the surname Davies (yes, I know!). He was born on 4th June 1872 (exact date), but I can't find any suitable record for his birth. (My great grandmother's mother's maiden name was Elizabeth Gittins and I have tried that name too.) I assume Fred was either illegitimate or his parents died - the adoptive family certainly weren't short of children themselves; their final count was 10 including Fred!!) Anyone have any ideas? By the way, Ellen Davies' father, Robert, fitted the carpet at Welshpool Castle - although he was a tailor by trade. Thanks everyone Frances =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No problem, Daphne. We are all out here and willing to help...........just ask and we do what we can. Regards Ann. --- On Sat, 4/12/10, Daphne Lees <[email protected]> wrote: From: Daphne Lees <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Sarah Davies To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 4 December, 2010, 9:11 Thank  you Ann for the date of marriage and the information concerning the problems with the Parish Registers and Bishops Transcripts. I live in hope that one day I'll find her birth. Regards Daphne =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert Davies [email protected] wrote: I am trying to answer the question on the origin of Davies's. I came into contact with a David Herbert of Powys Castle. His answer to the origin of the Davieses was the River Tafys. There are many river Tafyses and some of them are hidden. There is also a River Taff that flows from Merthyr to Cardiff. This may be a source of Taffies - Davies. The T and f correspond to the D and v in English. The celts do not believe in joining two consonants except to make a different sound. --------------------- Dear Robert, The explanation you were given of the origin of the name DAVIES is not the generally accepted one. For example, Rowlands and Rowlands (1996) state that the patronymic surname DAVIES is derived from the given name DAVID. This connection is not in dispute. The given name DAVID was the name of the great Israelite king whose story is recorded in the Bible (Book of Samuel). The name David was adopted in Wales early in its Christian era (6th century AD onwards). The name was Latinised as DAVIDUS, from which the Welsh DEWYDD (and DEWI), and DAFYDD arose. The Welsh consonant T does *not* correspond with the English D. The T sound is the same, whether in English or Welsh; e.g. Tirabad, Tredegar, Tonypandy, YsTradgynlais. However in some circumstances the letter T may mutate to D; e.g. the saint's name 'Teilo' mutates to 'deilo' in the placename Llandeilo. There are lots of examples of consonants joining together yet retaining their original sounds; e.g. poNT, LlaNTRisaNT, TRedegar, LlaNBeris, BLaenau, BryNCelyn, eGLwys, etc. See “The Surnames of Wales” by John and Sheila Rowlands, Federation of Family History Societies, Birmingham, 1996; ISBN1086006-025-0; pp. 88, 89. Kind regards John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Daphne. You are very unlikely to find a marriage certificate for her as it's before 1837. I have had a look at the Parish Register booklet for Llandinam and the births don't start until 1813. This is because there were some problems with Parish Registers and Bishops Transcripts around the 1806 and 1908 years. I was h My great great grandfather was born in Llandiam in 1808 and have never been able to trace the official birth reg. I have a feeling that there was a fire that destroyed the registers around that time. Sorry that I can't help you. I was hoping at least to find her birth which would have given her parents names. Ann. --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Daphne Lees <[email protected]> wrote: From: Daphne Lees <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Sarah Davies To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 22:30 Thank you to both Lynne and Ann for the date of marriage. Does anyone have a phone number for Llandinam registry office. If I get the certificate, it should give me the name of her father and maybe help me go back further. Regards Daphne =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Frances. My research centres on Llanfair Caereinion, Llanwyddelan and Welshpool. My gt Grandmother's mother was a Gittins whose family lived at a fairly large farm in Adfa called Llwyncoppa. Gittins, looking at the 1841 and 51 censuses, was a fairly common name in Adfa, Llanwyddelan and the Welshpool area in general and there appears to have been some movement into Welshpool from the surrounding rural areas. Here are some of my (scant) notes concerning the Gittins farm of our family: Records show that Thomas Gittins married Mary Pryce at Llanfair Caereinion on 7 February 1790 Research of the name Gittins with members of folk researching the Gittins family tree are vague on the connection of Thomas Gittins and Margaret Gittins (Ann's mother). 1851 census for Llwyncoppa: Gittins Jane Head Widow 55 Farmer born Llanwyddelan; Gittins Sarah daughter unmarried 30; Gittins Roger son Unmarried 18 farmers son; Gittins Howell son unmarried 16. All children born in Llanwyddelan (to be geographically correct, Adfa). Heddwch. Mike. [email protected] my blog http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com my disability rights website http://www.ppeyes.org.uk my family history website http://www.wotashower.co.uk a member of http://www.solnetwork.org.uk a member of http://www.nsun.org.uk a member of the Personal Health Plans/Budgets and Personalisation in general focus group for NCODP (http://www.ncodp.org.uk) All views and statements expressed here are my own and unless stated otherwise, not those of any other person(s) or organisation. --- @ WiseStamp Signature <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=dyw9hnc9mtmdmpwj&site=www.wisestamp.com/email-install>. Get it now <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=dyw9hnc9mtmdmpwj&site=www.wisestamp.com/email-install> On 03/12/10 14:35, Frances Laird wrote: > Hi List > A photograph I have, taken at the end of the 1800s, shows the complete family including my great- grandmother, Ellen Davies, as a young girl. My grandmother told me that one of the 'boys' in the photograph was an 'adopted nephew', Frederick Davies. The family lived in Welshpool and all of them had the surname Davies (yes, I know!). He was born on 4th June 1872 (exact date), but I can't find any suitable record for his birth. (My great grandmother's mother's maiden name was Elizabeth Gittins and I have tried that name too.) I assume Fred was either illegitimate or his parents died - the adoptive family certainly weren't short of children themselves; their final count was 10 including Fred!!) > Anyone have any ideas? > By the way, Ellen Davies' father, Robert, fitted the carpet at Welshpool Castle - although he was a tailor by trade. > Thanks everyone > Frances > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi List A photograph I have, taken at the end of the 1800s, shows the complete family including my great- grandmother, Ellen Davies, as a young girl. My grandmother told me that one of the 'boys' in the photograph was an 'adopted nephew', Frederick Davies. The family lived  in Welshpool and all of them had the surname Davies (yes, I know!). He was born on 4th June 1872 (exact date), but I can't find any suitable record for his birth. (My great grandmother's mother's maiden name was Elizabeth Gittins and I have tried that name too.) I assume Fred was either illegitimate or his parents died - the adoptive family certainly weren't short of children themselves; their final count was 10 including Fred!!) Anyone have any ideas? By the way, Ellen Davies' father, Robert, fitted the carpet at Welshpool Castle - although he was a tailor by trade. Thanks everyone Frances

Hello List, I apologize if this message turns up twice; I am having difficulty getting through to this List again. I am researching another Davies family. John Davies b. abt 1818 and married to Elizabeth Prosser 2 Nov. 1834 in Llanelly, BRE.Elizabeth was the daughter of William Prosser (Glasbury) and Sarah Robert (Llanfiangel Cwmdu).John and Elizabeth emigrated abt 1841 to Pennsylvania and settled in Bloom Township, Columbia Co. I believe they must have had children in Wales before leaving, but haven't found any. In 1860 I find Elizabeth, John and Elizabeth's mother, Sarah in Bloom, Columbia. Any children were probably grown and gone by then. I have been working to find some answers about this Davies family for 6 years. Any help is appreciated. Tomi LarsonOswego, NY

Hi Tim You could be right. It's ages since I did this research but from recollection I think that he was working in South Wales as a masseur, but migrated to the then fashionable spa town on Llandrinod Wells, and set up shop so to speak, offering accommodation for middle class folk who couldn't afford to stay in the big Victorian hotels - as well as promote his masseur business" at home" with the help of his wife and assistant ( later his second wife!). He carried on the latter massage business in Church Stretton until retirement - presume he moved when tourist trade collapsed in WW1 and aftermath. Must look up 1901 and 1911 censuses for Llandrinod - and be in touch with archives there about any new documents/books about the spa town - its development and decline Thanks for your interest Richard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Timothy Davis Sent: 02 December 2010 8:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [POWYS] Greenwood and Davis families in Powys Richar and Pam Thank you for the follow-up. It is also possible that he added the "Steart" to distinguish himself from another Charles Davies in the area. "Charles Davies" is probably a common name combination. Tim On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM, richardellis < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tim > > Expected to find the DAVIES lineage was Welsh - and undaunted researched > all the Charles Davies about the same age- but somehow it didn't work! > > Out of the blue, I had an internet message from someone in St Helens > Lancashire, whose relative had > married a Charles Stewart Davies - and they were house builders there and > not Welsh. > > I wasn't convinced until I then discovered that this lady was his second > wife and they had married in Brighton!- > and she had been an assistant in his business in Llandrinod Wells...the > first wife had died! > > So I don't think there's a link between your William Davis and Charles > Stewart Davies > > Richard & Pam > > ps Still not found out why he called himself Charles STEWART Davies as he > was born Charles Davies in > St Helens, and became a masseur in South Wales - only changing his name > when > he came to Llandrinod Wells. > Seems he did it so he had more uncommon and superior name! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Timothy Davis > Sent: 01 December 2010 6:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [POWYS] Greenwood and Davis families in Powys > > Richard and Pam > > How far back do you have a lineage for Charles Stewat Davie?. I'm trying to > find family from William Davis, b. 1640 and his son William, b. 1663 in > Llanstephan, Radnorshire (Powys), Wales who emigrated to America in 1684. > > Tim > > Timothy White Davis > 6th greatgrandson of William Davis, b. 1663 > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:49 AM, richardellis < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Listers... > > > > > > > > If you are not too busy!...I'm trying to tie up loose ends....and > wondered > > if anyone out there could help . > > > > > > > > 1.Greenwoods of Llanbister Powys > > > > > > > > They were a farming family in the 18th and 19th centuries, and I have > > > > their bmd from local parish church - and to cut a long story short - one > of > > > > their descendents returned from Ontario Canada in the early 1890's to > > become > > > > > > Viscount Hamar Greenwood of Llanbister in the 1920's. > > > > > > > > t's known that he re-visited Wales on his migration back to the home > > country > > > > c 1893 : he had little money though he had a Canadian law degree - and > > probably called on his > > > > great aunt Adeliza* - who was married to a successful grocer/draper John > > Clee in Knighton. > > > > > > > > It's thought that Hamar may have earned his keep giving lectures on > > Temperance. > > > > > > > > Were there any local records about Temperance in this part of Wales or > > nearby Shropshire? > > > > > > > > Are there any newspaper reports about him in Wales at this time on > > temperance meetings? > > > > Also at the outbreak of WW1, he was a " celebrity " involved in > recruiting > > for The South Welsh Borderers > > > > as he was their Lieutenant Colonel until the regiment went to France in > > 1915 : only briefly served in France, > > > > before he served under Lord Derby at the War Office to get more > > "volunteers" > > / organise compulsory recruitment. > > > > c 1916. > > > > > > > > Again any newspaper reports etc? > > > > > > > > (We visited Brecon cathedral some years ago where there is a chapel > > dedicated to the memory of the SWB > > > > and a commemorative plaque with his name) > > > > > > > > Any help welcome! > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Charles Stewart Davies* in Llandrinod Wells > > > > > > > > He was involved in the late Victorian successful "spa town" tourist > trade! > > as a hotel proprietor > > > > and as an electro mechanical masseur in Park Terrace..... > > > > > > > > Always wondered what kind of equipment was used in this practice! Anyone > > got any ideas > > > > or know details of such equipment ? We last visited the old spa and > > archives > > there some 10 years ago. > > > > > > > > Finally Charles Stewart was a founder member of Llandrinod Golf club - on > > previous enquiries > > > > we didn't find any more information, though think a history of this club > > was > > being prepared. > > > > Possibly photos would have been taken of the founders etc?... and ended > up > > in magazines/newspapers > > > > > > > > Hope this is of interest! > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard and Pam (nee Clee) in Surrey > > > > > > > > * Our family connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================== > > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann Bryan <[email protected]> wrote: My second message has turned up but not the first one, yet. So frustrating isn't it? You think you are helping someone, but no. ============== Dear Ann, Most of RootsWeb was offline for a while yesterday. During this period, the RootsWeb homepage contained a message apologising for the loss of service, and saying the fault would be corrected as soon as possible. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Thank you to both Lynne and Ann for the date of marriage. Does anyone have a phone number for Llandinam registry office. If I get the certificate, it should give me the name of her father and maybe help me go back further. Regards Daphne

Hi Lynne. My second message has turned up but not the first one, yet. So frustrating isn't it? You think you are helping someone, but no. Ann. --- On Thu, 2/12/10, edward <[email protected]> wrote: From: edward <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Re[Powys] [Powys] re Sarah Davies To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 18:30 Hello Ann, I also thought mine had also disappeared ,as I sent a couple to the list this morning too. I also couldnt access powys archives early this morning. Maybe yours will also turn up as mine has done. Lynne. =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ann, I also thought mine had also disappeared ,as I sent a couple to the list this morning too. I also couldnt access powys archives early this morning. Maybe yours will also turn up as mine has done. Lynne.

I also posted this same message this morning but it hasn't shown on the list.  Gremlins?? Ann. --- On Thu, 2/12/10, edward <[email protected]> wrote: From: edward <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] [Powys] re Sarah Davies To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 9:53 Hello Daphne, Sarah Davies to John Jarman  31st December 1826,by Banns St Llonio Llandinam .Witnesses John Hughes and Maurice Davies. Lynne. =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message