Good evening, I have been searching for the birthplace of my great,great,g/father, James Richards.In every census, from 1841 to 1871,his birthplace is given as Monmouthshire,and what looks like Bryngwyn...always indistinct! by using a modern Gazeeter,I have only found one place that resembles it. Bryngwyn ,Powys, just off the B2594. James was born 1808 and married Ann Edwards (b.c1815) at Lugwardine Herefordshire, 5/4/1834. I have been unable to find James' birth or baptism any where. Can someone help,please? Thank you Roy Davies

Hello can anyone advise me of the cost of a marriage certificate for llanfyllin district and where do i have to send a cheque to. regards. john

Using those dates I too am having trouble but I am really having trouble with John born 1861 that just doesn't look right on the face of it. Have you been able to find any of them in the FreeBMD? I get three who might be William Isaac and I don't know enough to know if Anglesey is Mont* at least I know Wiltshire isn't <G> Eliz Name: Isaac William Roberts Year of Registration: 1868 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Fordingbridge County: Hampshire, Wiltshire Volume: 2b Isaac William Roberts 1868 Apr-May-Jun Hampshire, Wiltshire William Isaac Roberts 1873 Oct-Nov-Dec Anglesey William Isaac Roberts 1873 Oct-Nov-Dec Avon, Gloucestershir I get one that might be William Name: William Roberts Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Son Father's name: John Roberts Mother's name: Jane Roberts Gender: Male Where born: Llanfechain, Montgomeryshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanfechain Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfechain Town: Llanfechain County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Llanfyllin Sub-registration district: Llansaintffraid ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Roberts 45 Jane Roberts 43 Thomas Roberts 22 Maria Roberts 20 Richard Roberts 17 John Roberts 14 Mary Ann Roberts 11 William Roberts 8 Annie Louisa Roberts 5 Emma Roberts 2 Sarah Roberts 3/12 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4600; Folio 98; Page 9; GSU roll: 6099710. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Millie Wolff <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello. > I'm getting desperate! I haven't been able to get to my search center > for 10 years and have had no success with on line research so I'm > turning to you. > I've been doing this family line for some time with info from 3 > cousins that I met within the last 5 years. Each time I think I have > all the names, one of the cousins comes up with more, or tells me that > I've missed some. Please help! I'm totally confused. > All have lived in Montgomeryshire, around Churchstoke, Hyssington and > Bishop's Castle. > 1.  John Roberts, b 7. 5. 1847 >    wife, Sarah Ann Jones, b Jan.1858 > CHILDREN: . Joseph Jones Roberts - born ca 1874.  Before Sarah's > marriage to John Roberts. Joseph married & had 3 children >                Joe.    Jack     Mary > Roberts. - John, b 21/ 1/ 1861. married Annn Gardiner - no children > Roberts, - William Isaac, b 2,/ 10/1883 - married his first cousin, > Dora Elizabeth Williams in Glam. They lived in Bishop's Castle. > Roberts -  Sarah Jane,    b 24/3/1891.  Married Alfred Francis. 2 > children, Sydney & Vera > Roberts,  - Albert James. b 30/1/1901.  Married Jane Llewellyn. on > child, Vera Ann > > Now I'm told there were others > Joel,  George, Edward. Edith. > > Cousin Ellen tells me her father was Joel. / Cousin Vera's parents > were Albert James & Harriet > > I'd like to find out more about Joseph Jones (1874)Roberts., Sarah Ann > (1858) Roberts nee Jones was a sister to my grandmother. > I'd actually like to find out whatever I can! > I hope someone can help me get it all straightened out. There are a > lot more names thrown at me but I can only take in so much! > > My thanks to all. M > Millie Wolff. > Regina, Sask. Canada > > > > > Millie Wolff > [email protected] > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello. I'm getting desperate! I haven't been able to get to my search center for 10 years and have had no success with on line research so I'm turning to you. I've been doing this family line for some time with info from 3 cousins that I met within the last 5 years. Each time I think I have all the names, one of the cousins comes up with more, or tells me that I've missed some. Please help! I'm totally confused. All have lived in Montgomeryshire, around Churchstoke, Hyssington and Bishop's Castle. 1. John Roberts, b 7. 5. 1847 wife, Sarah Ann Jones, b Jan.1858 CHILDREN: . Joseph Jones Roberts - born ca 1874. Before Sarah's marriage to John Roberts. Joseph married & had 3 children Joe. Jack Mary Roberts. - John, b 21/ 1/ 1861. married Annn Gardiner - no children Roberts, - William Isaac, b 2,/ 10/1883 - married his first cousin, Dora Elizabeth Williams in Glam. They lived in Bishop's Castle. Roberts - Sarah Jane, b 24/3/1891. Married Alfred Francis. 2 children, Sydney & Vera Roberts, - Albert James. b 30/1/1901. Married Jane Llewellyn. on child, Vera Ann Now I'm told there were others Joel, George, Edward. Edith. Cousin Ellen tells me her father was Joel. / Cousin Vera's parents were Albert James & Harriet I'd like to find out more about Joseph Jones (1874)Roberts., Sarah Ann (1858) Roberts nee Jones was a sister to my grandmother. I'd actually like to find out whatever I can! I hope someone can help me get it all straightened out. There are a lot more names thrown at me but I can only take in so much! My thanks to all. M Millie Wolff. Regina, Sask. Canada Millie Wolff [email protected]

Hello Malcom, I have Rees Jones m Ann Prosser(widow)30 Nov 1786 Clyro John b15Nov1787 Clyro Sarah b 4Oct1789 Clyro m Evan Pugh13Oct1815 James b 11April 1793 Clyro A lady in Oz says there is also a Stephen Jones b Clyro 1787 who she thinks was born to this family. John Jones married Ann(b Hereford Town) Mary Ann Jones b1818 Chepstow m James Michael,Hay July 1846 Catherine Jones b1821 Lea GLS m Walter Chambers 10May 1843 Merthyr Francis Jones b 24 aug 1827 Hay Thomas? b 1829 Hay? Louisa 1830 Brecon town. Edwin Jones 1833 Hay. there may be other children I haven`t found. John was a publican in Lea near Ross on Wye then became a journeyman baker .He died in Merthyr between 1861 and 1871.I don`t yet know of a connection to the two farms you mention as I don`t know what Rees Jones did but there may be. I hope you can see something here you might be able to connect to, Jill in Sussex. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: [POWYS] Radnor/Clyro/Jones > Dear Jill & Mike > > I am trying to get past a brick wall for David Jones, b c 1850 Clyro > according to 1861 - 1911 census. > He died 16.12.1921 near Sennybridge, Breconshire. > > There are Jones families at Cefnybettws & Wernfawr Farms from 1841 to > 1911. > > I have an "In Memorium Card" of Thomas Francis Jones of Upper Lloyney, > Clyro > who died 17th January, 1928. He is buried in Clyro Church graveyard. > > I have not yet made a connection between my David & the families at > Cefnybettws & Wernfawr. > > Hope this helps > > Malcolm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill & Mike" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 2:45 PM > Subject: [POWYS] Roll call > > >> GLASBURY Price, Farr, Chambers, Travish Jenkins >> >> CLYRO Chambers Probert Jones Prosser >> >> HAY Michael Chambers Price >> >> TALGARTH Chambers >> >> BRECON Chambers >> >> MERTHYR FARR CHAMBERS >> >> LLANGAMMARCH Davies >> >> NANTMEL Farr Davies >> >> >> >> Happy to share if anyone thinks they might connect,Jill in Sussex. >> >> =================== >> Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: >> www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3369 - Release Date: 01/09/11 >

Hello Alison, It began with the marriage of John Farr and Mary Davies on June2 1843 at the Church of Llandewicwm.John,a labourer lived at Rhydwillim.Mary a spinster (carpenter`s daughter) lived at Croswin .witnesses John Evans and Margaret Jones. The 1841 Census for Llangammarch shows that Mary already had a son ,William Davies. Gwen Davies 70,pauper,Mary Davies 25,pauper,William2,pauper.(How heartbreaking is that?). As Gwen is 70 she could be Mary`s mother or grandmother. William`s birth certificate shows he was born on the 15June 1839 at Pantyronen,Treflys,Llangammarch.The birth was registered on 25June by Gwen Davies occupier, Pantyronnen.There is no father named. When Gwenllian died on 26Dec 1844 at Newhouse aged 77 her death certificate shows her to be the widow of Rees Davies ,carpenter.Mary gave the name of her father as Rees Davies on her marriage certificate. Alan Powell found four possible candidates for the marriage. Rees Davies ,widower= Gwen Williams1/4/1808 at Llangammarch. Rees Davies=Gwen Williams of Llandwicwm29/12/1803at Merthyr Cynog Rees Davies=Gwen williams of the hamlet of Lysdinam.,Llanafon fawr ,on 25/5/1792at Llanavan Fechan Rees Davies =Gwen Jones2/5/1789at Llandefaelog Fach. I wrote to Alan again to ask him to do some follow up for me but didn`t hear from him so think he may have given up researching.I hoped to find children from these marriages ,then if Mary showed up I would know I had the right marriage.Also one entry might show the correct Rees if carpenter was entered. So no further forward than that but maybe someone will recognises one of these couples and I can eliminate them. I would also like to trace William Davies.He is on the 1861 in Merthyr but lost after that. Thanks for your interest,Alison, Jill in Sussex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Skipper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: [POWYS] Roll call (Jill's) - Davies, Llangammarch > Hello Jill, > > I think that we may have corresponded in the past. Where have you reached > with your Davies family of Llangammarch please? > > Thanks, > Alison > Malvern, UK > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3369 - Release Date: 01/09/11 >

Hello Everyone, I am hoping someone on the list lives in or near Llangunillo that might be familar with the Rees Williams family of Cefnsuran farm Llangunillo. Rees Williams and his wife Mary Ann Williams nee Price (my great aunt) were at Cefn Suran farm at least until 1914 when Rees died. Mary Ann remained in the area and died in 1932. They had 4 children John Edward Williams b 1880, Mary Elizabeth Williams b 1881, Margaret Ann Williams b 1883, and Rees Williams Williams b 1884. I believe Margaret Ann married Richard Goodwin in 1908. On the 1911 census they are living at Henfryn Pennybont Llandewy Radnor. They have a daughter Margaret b 1909 Llandewy. Thank You Robert Price

Hello Jill, I think that we may have corresponded in the past. Where have you reached with your Davies family of Llangammarch please? Thanks, Alison Malvern, UK

Dear Jill & Mike I am trying to get past a brick wall for David Jones, b c 1850 Clyro according to 1861 - 1911 census. He died 16.12.1921 near Sennybridge, Breconshire. There are Jones families at Cefnybettws & Wernfawr Farms from 1841 to 1911. I have an "In Memorium Card" of Thomas Francis Jones of Upper Lloyney, Clyro who died 17th January, 1928. He is buried in Clyro Church graveyard. I have not yet made a connection between my David & the families at Cefnybettws & Wernfawr. Hope this helps Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill & Mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: [POWYS] Roll call > GLASBURY Price, Farr, Chambers, Travish Jenkins > > CLYRO Chambers Probert Jones Prosser > > HAY Michael Chambers Price > > TALGARTH Chambers > > BRECON Chambers > > MERTHYR FARR CHAMBERS > > LLANGAMMARCH Davies > > NANTMEL Farr Davies > > > > Happy to share if anyone thinks they might connect,Jill in Sussex. > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jill I probably have pictures of a number of missing churches for Pembrokeshire. I was hoping you were going to provide me with images of Haroldston West and Lambston - but I will have to scrabble to find them now. I will need to email them to Seattle. I probably have images of those two, plus Martletwy, Minwear, Rudbaxton, Nevern, Newport, Whitechurch in Kemes, Llanfair Nantgwyn, Meline, Bayvil, Eglwyswrw, Hasguard (ruin), Walwyns Castle, Burton and Dale, for starters. Probably also have one of Pisgah Chapel at Penygraig in the Rhodda Valley - we were married there! Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jill Muir Sent: 09 January 2011 16:15 To: [email protected]; 'dyfed'; 'Powys List' Subject: [Dyfed] Welsh Chapels and Churches website - updates Hello Listers, Thanks to photographers Lynne Ingllas - Steynon, St Ishmaels, Megan Phelps - Manobier, Gill Thomas- Radnor, Darris Williams - Cwmllynfell, Llangiwg and Andy Philpin - Pembrokeshire, we have some additional chapel and church images on the website. All volunteers are acknowledged in the page on credits, and I am slowly going through and adding photographer's names under the images. See these on the. http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.org/ Very many thanks to all of you who have participated in this collection. Kind regards, Jill http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com - an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, Thanks to photographers Lynne Ingllas - Steynon, St Ishmaels, Megan Phelps - Manobier, Gill Thomas- Radnor, Darris Williams - Cwmllynfell, Llangiwg and Andy Philpin - Pembrokeshire, we have some additional chapel and church images on the website. All volunteers are acknowledged in the page on credits, and I am slowly going through and adding photographer's names under the images. See these on the. http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.org/ Very many thanks to all of you who have participated in this collection. Kind regards, Jill http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com - an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.

GLASBURY Price, Farr, Chambers, Travish Jenkins CLYRO Chambers Probert Jones Prosser HAY Michael Chambers Price TALGARTH Chambers BRECON Chambers MERTHYR FARR CHAMBERS LLANGAMMARCH Davies NANTMEL Farr Davies Happy to share if anyone thinks they might connect,Jill in Sussex.

Hi Lynne I'd like to get a copy of the actual enumeration page and have access to Ancestry. However, to find the entry you have found which sounds correct, I need to know what the civil parish is. I don't know how to search using the reference number. Kind regards David On 8 Jan 2011, at 17:52, edward wrote: > In 1861 at Fron Gresn,Village Llanllugan. ref: RG09/4252/35/12. > Addition of Mary Jones 1852 Llanullgan and granddaughrer Ann Hutson 1853c Llanllugan. > > Lynne. > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1861 at Fron Gresn,Village Llanllugan. ref: RG09/4252/35/12. Addition of Mary Jones 1852 Llanullgan and granddaughrer Ann Hutson 1853c Llanllugan. Lynne.

Thanks Ann, that's the family now found in 1841. Now I need to find them in 1861 and then where to look for an obituary and the wall is horizontal!!! Wonderful stuff this Powys List isn't it. If it hadn't been for an old lister, Julie Preston all of 12 years or so ago I'd probably still be floundering around. As it is the discovery of Thomas and his ancestors led me to a wonderful discovery that has taken me time travelling back to the Dark Ages! Thanks again Ann David On 8 Jan 2011, at 16:51, ann bryan wrote: > David, I have sent you a copy of the 1841 census which I hope is waht you are looking for. > Thomas b 1806 with Mary b 1811 and 5 children. The first child is Ann and second is Elis. > I do hope this is correct and you can now knock down another wall. > They are living in Carno. > Yours. > Ann. > > --- On Sat, 8/1/11, David Stick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: David Stick <[email protected]> > Subject: [POWYS] Needing a little help and/or advice > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 12:55 > > > Happy New Year to all listers. > > The Christmas holiday has given me a chance to tidy up a few odds and ends and to review the still open questions that I have unanswered in my Jones Family history. I would be most grateful for your indulgence in trying to answer one or two questions about my first gap in knowledge. > > Working backward in time my first missing info occurs for my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Jones. I know quite a lot about him already thanks to his son, William Peter Jones, my Great Grandfather's obituary in 1931. This came from two local newspapers though as my ancestors cut the pages out, I'm unable to ascertain which papers. I also have some of the census information from 1851 and 1881 2 years after his death on 2nd June 1878. These show some of his movements, though I have been unable to locate him in 1841. What follows seems to suggest he and his family were then living at Pynt yr Afon, though I have been unable to find it in the census. So my first question is can anyone advise me on Thomas' home in the 1841 Census to confirm or deny his living at Pynt yr Afon and it's whereabouts? > > What my own research so far has established is as follows: > > Thomas Jones was born at Ystrad Fawr in the township of Tirymynech, Llanbryn-Mair where his fore fathers had farmed for several generations. He was the eldest of 10 children of Ellis Jones and Sarah Peters of Ystrad Fawr. After Thomas' marriage in 1828, he and his wife Mary appear initially to have lived and worked with his parents at their farm at Ystrad Fawr and their eldest child, Anne, was born there in 1829. It is believed that they may have moved to farm at Derlwyn Farm, a mile NW of Carno in the sub- registration district of Llanwnog and in the parish of Llanllugan. Here their second child Ellis was born in 1834. > The deeds of Derlwyn dated Oct. 20, 1836 give the owners as: 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow, Margaret Lewis of Llandinam, same co., widow and John Owens of Newtown, same co., gent'. The mortgage documents on the property held at NLW shows: 'the farmland, tithes, hereditaments and premises of Derlwyn, at that time having recently been occupied by Hugh Richards, but now let to Thomas Jones and his father Ellis Jones at rent of £80 p.a.'. > Confusingly, on Oct. 23, 1836 the deed shows the lease in the names of 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow and Thomas Jones of Pynt yr Afon, Carno, farmer; Ellis Jones of Ystrad- Fawr, Llanbryn-mair, farmer'. The lease is for '7 years of m. or tmt or farmhouse of Derlwyn, p. Carno, now occupied by Hugh Richards, reserving timber, trees, access and planting with compensation. Rent £80 p.a. and £4 for each acre of `old meadow' that Thomas might plough up or till'. > The 1851 census shows that the family was resident at Derlwyn in 1849 when their youngest son Evan was born. However, Thomas and his further enlarged family were now shown in 1851 living at Fron Green in the parish of Llanllugan. He was aged 46, with Mary 42, and now with five sons and 3 daughters. There was also an agricultural labourer, Joseph Morris, a widower aged 30, born in Carno and a farm servant, Edward Ashton, aged 22 also born in Carno. Examination of the 1881 census shows a last child born to Thomas and Mary named Mary and born at Fron Green in 1852. > Thomas and his family moved to Neuaddfraith, between Newtown and Abermule, sometime during the late 1850s but later moved again to farm the 370 acre Penarth farm near Newtown with his eldest son Ellis. Thomas died in 1878 at Penarth possibly in a house called Valindri, the source of this being his son Peter's obituary in the local newspaper. the latter being somewhat confusing in light of his will. In this will, written on the 2nd April 1878 and proved at Shrewsbury on 22 June 1878 by Mary, his wife and Ellis his son, Thomas was recorded as a farmer of Penarth. In it he bequeathed to his daughter, Ann, the wife of Evan Morgans of Pantglas, Llanbryn-mair the sum of £20. To his daughter Jane, the wife of Nathaniel Owens of Moelddnwyd, Llanfihangel the sum of £50. To his daughter Mary the sum of £200. All the rest of his estate he bequeathed to his wife Mary and his son Ellis jointly and they were appointed joint executors. > Despite being a busy farmer, Thomas found time to be Deacon of the English Congregational Chapel in Newtown for 40 years. There are photos on line of this chapel in Newtown though, since it was built four years before he died, it is likely that another chapel was on or near the site. This is likely the chapel he attended for so many years. > The above information came from the 1851 and 1881 census and his son, W P Jones' obituaries in local newspapers. Details of Thomas' death came from the family sarcophagus at St David's Parish Church yard in Newtown as did his wife's and their children Sarah and Ellis. > > So finally, he would appear to have been a fairly prominent man in the area for many years if one can judge anything from the family sarcophagus outside the West door at St David's Church. Hence I would have expected that I might find an obituary. Can anyone advise on where I might expect to find such a thing if it exists? > > I hope I haven't bored folks to death with my questions and would appreciate help or advice. > Kind regards > David Stick > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I have sent you a copy of the 1841 census which I hope is waht you are looking for. Thomas b 1806 with Mary b 1811 and 5 children. The first child is Ann and second is Elis. I do hope this is correct and you can now knock down another wall. They are living in Carno. Yours. Ann. --- On Sat, 8/1/11, David Stick <[email protected]> wrote: From: David Stick <[email protected]> Subject: [POWYS] Needing a little help and/or advice To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 12:55 Happy New Year to all listers. The Christmas holiday has given me a chance to tidy up a few odds and ends and to review the still open questions that I have unanswered in my Jones Family history. I would be most grateful for your indulgence in trying to answer one or two questions about my first gap in knowledge. Working backward in time my first missing info occurs for my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Jones. I know quite a lot about him already thanks to his son, William Peter Jones, my Great Grandfather's obituary in 1931. This came from two local newspapers though as my ancestors cut the pages out, I'm unable to ascertain which papers. I also have some of the census information from 1851 and 1881 2 years after his death on 2nd June 1878. These show some of his movements, though I  have been unable to locate him in 1841. What follows seems to suggest he and his family were then living at Pynt yr Afon, though I have been unable to find it in the census. So my first question is can anyone advise me on Thomas' home in the 1841 Census to confirm or deny his living at Pynt yr Afon and it's whereabouts? What my own research so far has established is as follows: Thomas Jones was born at Ystrad Fawr in the township of Tirymynech, Llanbryn-Mair where his fore fathers had farmed for several generations. He was the eldest of 10 children of Ellis Jones and Sarah Peters of Ystrad Fawr. After Thomas' marriage in 1828, he and his wife Mary appear initially to have lived and worked with his parents at their farm at Ystrad Fawr and their eldest child, Anne, was born there in 1829. It is believed that they may have moved to farm at Derlwyn Farm, a mile NW of Carno in the sub- registration district of Llanwnog and in the parish of Llanllugan. Here their second child Ellis was born in 1834. The deeds of Derlwyn dated  Oct. 20, 1836 give the owners as: 'Mary Jones of Gelly,  Llanfair, co. Mont., widow,  Margaret Lewis of Llandinam, same co., widow and John Owens of Newtown, same co., gent'. The mortgage documents on the property held at NLW shows: 'the farmland, tithes, hereditaments and premises of Derlwyn, at that time having  recently been occupied by Hugh Richards, but now let to Thomas Jones and his father Ellis Jones at rent of £80 p.a.'. Confusingly, on  Oct. 23, 1836 the deed shows the lease in the names of 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow and Thomas Jones of Pynt yr Afon,  Carno, farmer; Ellis Jones of Ystrad- Fawr,  Llanbryn-mair, farmer'. The lease is for '7 years of m. or tmt or farmhouse of Derlwyn, p. Carno, now occupied by Hugh Richards, reserving timber, trees, access and planting with compensation. Rent £80 p.a. and £4 for each acre of `old meadow' that Thomas might plough up or till'. The 1851 census shows that the family was resident at Derlwyn in 1849 when their youngest son Evan was born. However, Thomas and his further enlarged family were now shown in 1851 living at Fron Green in the parish of Llanllugan. He was aged 46, with Mary 42, and now with five sons and 3 daughters. There was also an agricultural labourer, Joseph Morris, a widower aged 30, born in Carno and a farm servant, Edward Ashton, aged 22 also born in Carno. Examination of the 1881 census shows a last child born to Thomas and Mary named Mary and born at Fron Green in 1852. Thomas and his family moved to Neuaddfraith, between Newtown and Abermule, sometime during the late 1850s but later moved again to farm the 370 acre Penarth farm near Newtown with his eldest son Ellis. Thomas died in 1878 at Penarth possibly in a house called Valindri, the source of this being his son Peter's obituary in the local newspaper. the latter being somewhat confusing in light of his will. In this will, written on the 2nd April 1878 and proved at Shrewsbury on 22 June 1878 by Mary, his wife and Ellis his son, Thomas was recorded as a farmer of Penarth. In it he bequeathed to his daughter, Ann, the wife of Evan Morgans of Pantglas, Llanbryn-mair the sum of £20. To his daughter Jane, the wife of Nathaniel Owens of Moelddnwyd, Llanfihangel the sum of £50. To his daughter Mary the sum of £200. All the rest of his estate he bequeathed to his wife Mary and his son Ellis jointly and they were appointed joint executors. Despite being a busy farmer, Thomas found time to be Deacon of the English Congregational Chapel in Newtown for 40 years. There are photos on line of this chapel in Newtown though, since it was built four years before he died, it is likely that another chapel was on or near the site. This is likely the chapel he attended for so many years. The above information came from the 1851 and 1881 census and his son, W P Jones' obituaries in local newspapers. Details of Thomas' death came from the family sarcophagus at St David's Parish Church yard in Newtown as did his wife's and their children Sarah and Ellis. So finally, he would appear to have been a fairly prominent man in the area for many years if one can judge anything from the family sarcophagus outside the West door at St David's Church. Hence I would have expected that I might find an obituary. Can anyone advise on where I might expect to find such a thing if it exists? 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Hi Sue On the 1841 census David (aged 40) said he was born in Cwngwybedog and they are living in" Enumeration District No. 8, all that part of the said Parcel of Prisk (sic) from Beaufort Turnpike road to Blaenonney comprising a part of Waungoch, Cwngwybedog & Cwm maenheulog", also living with them is an Andrew Posser aged 80, so I don't know if he is David's father or Mary's father as the 1841 census does not have relationship to head of house. David had died by the 1851 census and Mary and her children are living in Crickhowell. Mary also says on the 1841 census that she was born in Cwngwybedog also. I am so confused with all the different names and can't find some on the maps. I am sorry I don't know very much about David Prosser except that he married Mary Prosser I don't even know when/where they married. They seemed to be around the areas of Llangattock, Cendl. I know that one of their daughters Martha Prosser married Samuel James in Llangattock Brecon in 1855 and they both said they lived in Beaufort on the marriage certificate. I notice that Llanfihangel tal y llyn is not that far from Crickhowell and Llangattock, so they could be related. I have been stuck at this brick wall for many years and would love to break it down. Jan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of susan ashton Sent: Friday, 7 January 2011 1:38 AM To: [email protected]om Subject: Re: [POWYS] PROSSER, JAMES Jan I am sure we have corresponded before but where was your David Prosser born and do you know who his parents were?  I have a David Prosser born 1804/05 - baptised 1805 at Llanfihangel tal y llyn - parents Roger and Margaret - is there any link to your David? Sue ----- Original Message ---- From: Jan Seiver <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 5 January, 2011 11:21:26 Subject: Re: [POWYS] PROSSER, JAMES Hi Tomi My name is Jan and I also have the Prosser surname in my family history as well as the James surname. I have David Prosser (born abt 1801-1803) married Mary Prosser (born abt 1802), their eldest child was baptised in 1820  at Bethesda Chapel Cendl. Another one of their daughters Martha married Samuel James in 1855, Samuel James' father was John James. If you have come across any of these names in your research I would love to hear from you. Jan in Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tomi Larson Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2011 11:40 AM To: Powys Rootsweb Subject: [POWYS] Roll Call Hi Listers, It's a new year - how about a roll call of the names we are researching? Montgomeryshire: NOCK, NOKES (Llanilwchaiarn) Breconshire: PROSSER, ADAMS, BURGWYNNE (Glasbury)                  DAVIES ROBERT, PARRY, POWELL (Llanfihangel, Cwmdu                  JAMES, WILLIAM (Vaynor) Radnorshire: PROSSER (Llowes) Tomi LarsonOswego, NY                         =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Retrospectives: Brecon Cathedral, BRE; Trelech Grange, MON Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, uploaded onto my website earlier today, are: 1. A three-page exploration of the Priory Church of St John the Evangelist, otherwise known as Brecon Cathedral, in the county of Breconshire (seventeen pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in December 2002. 2. The quiet rural parish of Trelech (Trelleck) in the county of Monmouthshire (seven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for at least one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Brecknock FH Group Webmaster: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsbfhs/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Happy New Year to all listers. The Christmas holiday has given me a chance to tidy up a few odds and ends and to review the still open questions that I have unanswered in my Jones Family history. I would be most grateful for your indulgence in trying to answer one or two questions about my first gap in knowledge. Working backward in time my first missing info occurs for my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Jones. I know quite a lot about him already thanks to his son, William Peter Jones, my Great Grandfather's obituary in 1931. This came from two local newspapers though as my ancestors cut the pages out, I'm unable to ascertain which papers. I also have some of the census information from 1851 and 1881 2 years after his death on 2nd June 1878. These show some of his movements, though I have been unable to locate him in 1841. What follows seems to suggest he and his family were then living at Pynt yr Afon, though I have been unable to find it in the census. So my first question is can anyone advise me on Thomas' home in the 1841 Census to confirm or deny his living at Pynt yr Afon and it's whereabouts? What my own research so far has established is as follows: Thomas Jones was born at Ystrad Fawr in the township of Tirymynech, Llanbryn-Mair where his fore fathers had farmed for several generations. He was the eldest of 10 children of Ellis Jones and Sarah Peters of Ystrad Fawr. After Thomas' marriage in 1828, he and his wife Mary appear initially to have lived and worked with his parents at their farm at Ystrad Fawr and their eldest child, Anne, was born there in 1829. It is believed that they may have moved to farm at Derlwyn Farm, a mile NW of Carno in the sub- registration district of Llanwnog and in the parish of Llanllugan. Here their second child Ellis was born in 1834. The deeds of Derlwyn dated Oct. 20, 1836 give the owners as: 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow, Margaret Lewis of Llandinam, same co., widow and John Owens of Newtown, same co., gent'. The mortgage documents on the property held at NLW shows: 'the farmland, tithes, hereditaments and premises of Derlwyn, at that time having recently been occupied by Hugh Richards, but now let to Thomas Jones and his father Ellis Jones at rent of £80 p.a.'. Confusingly, on Oct. 23, 1836 the deed shows the lease in the names of 'Mary Jones of Gelly, Llanfair, co. Mont., widow and Thomas Jones of Pynt yr Afon, Carno, farmer; Ellis Jones of Ystrad- Fawr, Llanbryn-mair, farmer'. The lease is for '7 years of m. or tmt or farmhouse of Derlwyn, p. Carno, now occupied by Hugh Richards, reserving timber, trees, access and planting with compensation. Rent £80 p.a. and £4 for each acre of `old meadow' that Thomas might plough up or till'. The 1851 census shows that the family was resident at Derlwyn in 1849 when their youngest son Evan was born. However, Thomas and his further enlarged family were now shown in 1851 living at Fron Green in the parish of Llanllugan. He was aged 46, with Mary 42, and now with five sons and 3 daughters. There was also an agricultural labourer, Joseph Morris, a widower aged 30, born in Carno and a farm servant, Edward Ashton, aged 22 also born in Carno. Examination of the 1881 census shows a last child born to Thomas and Mary named Mary and born at Fron Green in 1852. Thomas and his family moved to Neuaddfraith, between Newtown and Abermule, sometime during the late 1850s but later moved again to farm the 370 acre Penarth farm near Newtown with his eldest son Ellis. Thomas died in 1878 at Penarth possibly in a house called Valindri, the source of this being his son Peter's obituary in the local newspaper. the latter being somewhat confusing in light of his will. In this will, written on the 2nd April 1878 and proved at Shrewsbury on 22 June 1878 by Mary, his wife and Ellis his son, Thomas was recorded as a farmer of Penarth. In it he bequeathed to his daughter, Ann, the wife of Evan Morgans of Pantglas, Llanbryn-mair the sum of £20. To his daughter Jane, the wife of Nathaniel Owens of Moelddnwyd, Llanfihangel the sum of £50. To his daughter Mary the sum of £200. All the rest of his estate he bequeathed to his wife Mary and his son Ellis jointly and they were appointed joint executors. Despite being a busy farmer, Thomas found time to be Deacon of the English Congregational Chapel in Newtown for 40 years. There are photos on line of this chapel in Newtown though, since it was built four years before he died, it is likely that another chapel was on or near the site. This is likely the chapel he attended for so many years. The above information came from the 1851 and 1881 census and his son, W P Jones' obituaries in local newspapers. Details of Thomas' death came from the family sarcophagus at St David's Parish Church yard in Newtown as did his wife's and their children Sarah and Ellis. So finally, he would appear to have been a fairly prominent man in the area for many years if one can judge anything from the family sarcophagus outside the West door at St David's Church. Hence I would have expected that I might find an obituary. Can anyone advise on where I might expect to find such a thing if it exists? I hope I haven't bored folks to death with my questions and would appreciate help or advice. Kind regards David Stick

Happy New Year to you all. Thank you John for the lovely wild flowers of Wales photographs filling me with hiraeth. I have been missing for quite a time mainly because I have hit brick walls and also because I have been writing up my family history into book form, i.e. 5 Volumes in all but well worth the enjoyable and time consuming work. Kind regards Shirley My family research interests are as follows: TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 13th August 1864 in Dorrington, Condover TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 (may be alias CLAYTON) GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764 TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1762 JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794 EVANS JOHN, born 1801, Isle of Wight, father in Shropshire Militia BADGER Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794 STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shropshire abt 1772 CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shropshire 1769 MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister,Radnorshire, abt 1711 CORFIELD John, St Chad's Shrewsbury, Shropshire abt 1773 LEWIS Mary, Carnguwch, Carnarvonshire, North Wales 1868 marriage to WILLIAMS Robert, Llanfaelrhys, Carnarvonshire, North Wales 1873) =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message