Family information has been added to kit 251728.   Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time.  Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor.   It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor.  If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that.  I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem.   I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful.  In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor.  There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers.  I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection.  Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test.  They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match.  What did we learn.  We don't descend from that couple.  We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from.  There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything.  It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm

AIN'T if fun. I have said for a while that some of these lines are wrong. Would love to know how some of them come to their conclusions. Tamara -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is like Jim referred to, the click and add of Ancestry.   When you see trees with just names, no census documentation probably not a good tree to be relying on.   As you know Bill finds all the documentation on Ancestry, LDS and any other documents avail to show assure the line is followed accurately on his.   Also many people are following papers trees that may have been started by an ancestor years ago before census records and DNA were available to the public without traveling to the area.   Being able to follow a census for a family where you see the daughter in one census record married in the next.  Then her and her children living with her parents but still with her husbands surname in the next.   Then the next census she and the children are back with her parents surname.   It is a fascinating hobby that takes care and determination and a willingness to see that some of what you have may be inaccurate, to create an accurate tree for future generations.  Oh and Jim does a Great JOB!  300 Powells and his Barretts I truely appreciate the time it must take.  ~Diane ________________________________ From: Tamara Powell <homelite76@msn.com> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website AIN'T if fun. I have said for a while that some of these lines are wrong. Would love to know how some of them come to their conclusions. Tamara -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time.  Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor.  If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that.  I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful.  In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor.  There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers.  I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection.  Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test.  They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match.  What did we learn.  We don't descend from that couple.  We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from.  There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything.  It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see one thing for sure in the pedigree of Kit 107720. He has combined two different Powell families, the one from Thomas Powell of Essex Co. VA and the one from Thomas Powell of Isle of Wight, VA. These are two separate families and do not match each other on DNA. I think the group that kit 107720 is listed with is the Essex Co. Powell although I was not able to locate a pedigree that went back to this Thomas and Mary Place Powell. Part of his pedigree contains generations of the Thomas Powell of the Gold Group, who died in Isle of Wight in 1687 and whose parents have never been proven. This pedigree needs some cleaning up but is probably in the correct group for the Essex Co. portion. If this kit holder wants to contact me, I will help him divide up his pedigree. The pedigree is not posted for Kit 251728. You are so right about DNA helping to rule out families. We just had a Walker participant who had his pedigree connected with the wrong Walker family who we fortunately have multiple DNA descendants from in our project and the new kit did not match them. Cheers, Barbara Barbara Walker Good BWGood@aol.com Walker Surname DNA Project Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Main Page) Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Y-DNA Results Chart) Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Pedigrees) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> To: POWELL-DNA-L <POWELL-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:36 am Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message