Jim, Kit No. 250922 (R1b1a2), which was recently added, changes the 1st known Generation for Kit No. 121198 (I1), ANC03 (I1) and Kit No. 217435 (I1). The father of the brothers Lewis P. Powell (1790-1851) and Needham Powell (1795-1858) was not Needham Powell, a son of Isaac Powell and wife, Anne of Johnston Co., NC. I can send an updated Gedcom or a simple Family Line for each Kit. Please advise. Robert B. Powell -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:30 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Robert, Something in the format of the trees I currently attach would be best for me. As I'm sure you are aware this has created a real problem. Kit 250922 is R1b1a2, kits ANC03 (I don't know your connection to this kit), 121198 and 217435 are I1s and kit 107720 is a T1. The three I1s are close matches and there is little question about them sharing a common ancestor. The other two kits aren't close to each other nor to the three I1s. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> wrote: From: Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 9:21 AM Jim, Kit No. 250922 (R1b1a2), which was recently added, changes the 1st known Generation for Kit No. 121198 (I1), ANC03 (I1) and Kit No. 217435 (I1). The father of the brothers Lewis P. Powell (1790-1851) and Needham Powell (1795-1858) was not Needham Powell, a son of Isaac Powell and wife, Anne of Johnston Co., NC. I can send an updated Gedcom or a simple Family Line for each Kit. Please advise. Robert B. Powell -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:30 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Robet, Sorry, I shouldn't have included kit 107720 in my reply. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Mon, 10/15/12, Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> wrote: From: Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 12:23 PM Robert, Something in the format of the trees I currently attach would be best for me. As I'm sure you are aware this has created a real problem. Kit 250922 is R1b1a2, kits ANC03 (I don't know your connection to this kit), 121198 and 217435 are I1s and kit 107720 is a T1. The three I1s are close matches and there is little question about them sharing a common ancestor. The other two kits aren't close to each other nor to the three I1s. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> wrote: From: Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 9:21 AM Jim, Kit No. 250922 (R1b1a2), which was recently added, changes the 1st known Generation for Kit No. 121198 (I1), ANC03 (I1) and Kit No. 217435 (I1). The father of the brothers Lewis P. Powell (1790-1851) and Needham Powell (1795-1858) was not Needham Powell, a son of Isaac Powell and wife, Anne of Johnston Co., NC. I can send an updated Gedcom or a simple Family Line for each Kit. Please advise. Robert B. Powell -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:30 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message