I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not share a common paternal ancestor.  I stand by that statement.   What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean that they do share a common paternal ancestor.  Look at at website.  We have seven different groups that are R1b1a2.  The first kit number from each of these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and 122891.  A report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance between different members of our project.  It doesn't list anyone if the genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare.   When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 20 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 13 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   I hope this makes my point. I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches of the Haplotree.  Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added all of the time. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm