Hey n Ya'll ... I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time. Maybe a set agenda to proitect time and information beneficial to all. David Powell -----Original Message----- From: mgpage <mgpage@att.net> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00 am Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor (they do not)? -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not share a common paternal ancestor.  I stand by that statement.   What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean that they do share a common paternal ancestor.  Look at at website.  We have seven different groups that are R1b1a2.  The first kit number from each of these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and 122891.  A report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance between different members of our project.  It doesn't list anyone if the genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare.   When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 20 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 13 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   I hope this makes my point. I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches of the Haplotree.  Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added all of the time. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have access to the technology for free if you need a volunteer. Jennifer Powell Langer On Sep 6, 2012, at 6:50 PM, dlp2300@aol.com wrote: > Hey n Ya'll ... > > I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a > Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get > together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time. Maybe a set agenda > to proitect time and information beneficial to all. > > David Powell > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgpage <mgpage@att.net> > To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00 am > Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding > > Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common > ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor > (they do not)? > > -----Original Message----- > From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM > To: POWELL-DNA-L > Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding > > I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different > Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not > share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. > > What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same > Paternal > Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean > that > they do share a common paternal ancestor. Look at at website. We have > seven different groups that are R1b1a2. The first kit number from each > of > these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and > 122891. A > report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance > between different members of our project. It doesn't list anyone if the > genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare. > > When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic > distance of 20 or more from all of them. They do not share a common > paternal ancestor. > > When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic > distance of 13 or more from all of them. They do not share a common > paternal ancestor. > > When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic > distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them. > They do > not share a common paternal ancestor. > > I hope this makes my point. > > I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a > person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches > of > the Haplotree. Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the > results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added > all > of the time. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > Powell Surname DNA Project > http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If that could be made to happen somehow I think it would be great. -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dlp2300@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:51 PM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Hey n Ya'll ... I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time. Maybe a set agenda to proitect time and information beneficial to all. David Powell -----Original Message----- From: mgpage <mgpage@att.net> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00 am Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor (they do not)? -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not share a common paternal ancestor.  I stand by that statement.   What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean that they do share a common paternal ancestor.  Look at at website.  We have seven different groups that are R1b1a2.  The first kit number from each of these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and 122891.  A report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance between different members of our project.  It doesn't list anyone if the genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare.   When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 20 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 13 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   I hope this makes my point. I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches of the Haplotree.  Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added all of the time. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message