Hi~ I have not gotten into the dna aspect of this site. I know with the surname and dna most if not all of you guys. :) I have had a hard time, as mentioned, actually finding who is who..etc. My Grandfather's name was Hanford, born in Stigler, Oklahoma around the 1920. His father's name was Jimmy, AKA Jimmie, AKA James. His father my great-great grandfather's name was Thomas. My family runs around from Florida to SC, GA, Oklahoma, AK. They were natives--my grandfather moved to CA in the 1940s, said he was white and shaved his head. And passed himswelf off as white--except when he went back to OK, or reservations.. because he spoke both Cherokee and Seminole fluently. There are lot of issues with who is who--remarriages, death, children from previous marriages..etc. Does this help? I'll look up my kit # and go back to the site and see if we match, :) Jessica. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:35:07 -0800 > Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website > > Jessica > This sounds like my family also. My grandfather was from Georgia and > was also in moonshine. He was also in a family that was (had to deal > with the klu klux klan). Not so sure that he himself was in it but > knew of it. So much mystery. Also was suppose to be native american. > Not much talking of that either. Maybe a name change there also. But > can't find any real true information on that. > Rebba # 103902 > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels wrote: > > > > > Sylvia-- > > > > My family liked to take things to the grave too.. However, my > > grandfather (Hanford Powell) left us tapes. These tapes explained > > the why of his decisions. Most of my family kept their mouths shut > > for fear of the government and things that could and would happen to > > them if they were caught. My family (so I hear) was pretty well > > known for moonshine, horse thievery, etc. Most refused to live on a > > reservation--instead living in the hills.. hiding out, most of their > > lives. Thus, providing records becomes quite difficult. :) > > > > Sometimes, family members make desicions for us, our lineage, in > > hopes that it will benefit us--secure our positions. Or keep the > > governmnet from finding them (us). It's something to consider--it > > might not always be shame. I know my family did it for pride/fear/ > > and to keep the next generation safe. > > > > :) > > > > Jessica > > > > P.S. There was a village of related "Powell's" that were > > slaughtered some 100 years ago or so.. thus causing an enormous > > amount of apprehension--tension and fear among those that survived.. > > The fear began there.> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:55:04 -0600> From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]> CC: [email protected]> Subject: > > Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website> > > IM pretty sure im an illigetimate > > powell.i dont care.it is sad to see > people be ashamed of things > > that happened so long ago.we dont know of > the experiences our > > ancestors lived through. so we cant judge them now. > alas i have a > > cousin that knew the secrets but took them to her > grave.she hung > > up on anyone who inquired.so sad.shame has no place in > our quest > > for who we came from. sylvia ferriter.> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at > > 12:05 PM, David.E Smith wrote:> > > ** Reply Requested by 12/5/2008 > > (Friday) **> > I got the grill ready!! David> > >>> On 12/3/2008 at > > 4:46 PM, in message <cc3.35ff8a46.3! > > [email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > > <mailto:[email protected]> >, <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:> Jim and Jessica.....> > > > Thanks for such great replys, and you are both absolutely right, > > > regarding> that I left out adoption. Thinking back, I didn't > > mention the > Guardianship> stuff either. > > I've lately been > > researching the NC genweb site, and discovered another> possibility > > that is transcribed on some of their county sites. I can't > > > remember> the exact terminology used there (bastardy cases?), but > > there are some> transcriptions where women who became pregnant were > > ordered by the > court to show up> and name the father of their > > baby, so that he could be made financially> responsible, regarding > > the unborn child. Sometimes this happened after > the child> was > > born, but it wasn't unusual if it happened before the > > > birth...especially> if the woman had no oth! > > er means of support. Some of the surnames I'm> researching showed up > > there...on both sides of the court, either as the > woman or> the > > father. Sadly, I could find nothing I could link to at this point > > > in my> research. Maybe later....so I didn't put this in my post > > either. > Forgive me> please for saving it for last. Can only > > figure that we all wish to > think the> best of our ancestors, but > > when you enter DNA research, you'd rather > have> facts and correct > > answers and accept the fact that what you though > "was",> > > sometimes insn't. I have one exact match at 37 on our Powell page, > > and > 4 others at> 67 with other surnames. David Smith....I agree! > > We're gonna ride this > bull> or have steak for dinner!!> > I love > > seeing input like Jim and Jessica added to our postings. YDNA> > > research will aid us all, but it's still up to all of us to make > > > connections and do> research on our own to bring it together.> > > > Jim Barrett, thank you again for all you do. > > Sue in KY> > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends,! > > email, and> favorite sites in one place. 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Jessica: Look up Seminole Chief Osceola on the net his last name may have been Powell Cleve Powell, Jax., /fla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website > > Hi~ > > I have not gotten into the dna aspect of this site. I know with > the surname and dna most if not all of you guys. :) I have had a hard > time, as mentioned, actually finding who is who..etc. My Grandfather's > name was Hanford, born in Stigler, Oklahoma around the 1920. His father's > name was Jimmy, AKA Jimmie, AKA James. His father my great-great > grandfather's name was Thomas. My family runs around from Florida to SC, > GA, Oklahoma, AK. They were natives--my grandfather moved to CA in the > 1940s, said he was white and shaved his head. And passed himswelf off as > white--except when he went back to OK, or reservations.. because he spoke > both Cherokee and Seminole fluently. There are lot of issues with who is > who--remarriages, death, children from previous marriages..etc. > > Does this help? I'll look up my kit # and go back to the site and see if > we match, :) > > Jessica. > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:35:07 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website >> >> Jessica >> This sounds like my family also. My grandfather was from Georgia and >> was also in moonshine. He was also in a family that was (had to deal >> with the klu klux klan). Not so sure that he himself was in it but >> knew of it. So much mystery. Also was suppose to be native american. >> Not much talking of that either. Maybe a name change there also. But >> can't find any real true information on that. >> Rebba # 103902 >> >> On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels wrote: >> >> > >> > Sylvia-- >> > >> > My family liked to take things to the grave too.. However, my >> > grandfather (Hanford Powell) left us tapes. These tapes explained >> > the why of his decisions. Most of my family kept their mouths shut >> > for fear of the government and things that could and would happen to >> > them if they were caught. My family (so I hear) was pretty well >> > known for moonshine, horse thievery, etc. Most refused to live on a >> > reservation--instead living in the hills.. hiding out, most of their >> > lives. Thus, providing records becomes quite difficult. :) >> > >> > Sometimes, family members make desicions for us, our lineage, in >> > hopes that it will benefit us--secure our positions. Or keep the >> > governmnet from finding them (us). It's something to consider--it >> > might not always be shame. I know my family did it for pride/fear/ >> > and to keep the next generation safe. >> > >> > :) >> > >> > Jessica >> > >> > P.S. There was a village of related "Powell's" that were >> > slaughtered some 100 years ago or so.. thus causing an enormous >> > amount of apprehension--tension and fear among those that survived.. >> > The fear began there.> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:55:04 -0600> From: >> > [email protected] >> > > To: [email protected]> CC: [email protected]> Subject: >> > Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website> > > IM pretty sure im an illigetimate >> > powell.i dont care.it is sad to see > people be ashamed of things >> > that happened so long ago.we dont know of > the experiences our >> > ancestors lived through. so we cant judge them now. > alas i have a >> > cousin that knew the secrets but took them to her > grave.she hung >> > up on anyone who inquired.so sad.shame has no place in > our quest >> > for who we came from. sylvia ferriter.> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at >> > 12:05 PM, David.E Smith wrote:> > > ** Reply Requested by 12/5/2008 >> > (Friday) **> > I got the grill ready!! David> > >>> On 12/3/2008 at >> > 4:46 PM, in message <cc3.35ff8a46.3! >> > [email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> >> > <mailto:[email protected]> >, <[email protected] > >>> >> > <mailto:[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:> Jim and Jessica.....> > >> > Thanks for such great replys, and you are both absolutely right, > >> > regarding> that I left out adoption. Thinking back, I didn't >> > mention the > Guardianship> stuff either. > > I've lately been >> > researching the NC genweb site, and discovered another> possibility >> > that is transcribed on some of their county sites. I can't > >> > remember> the exact terminology used there (bastardy cases?), but >> > there are some> transcriptions where women who became pregnant were >> > ordered by the > court to show up> and name the father of their >> > baby, so that he could be made financially> responsible, regarding >> > the unborn child. Sometimes this happened after > the child> was >> > born, but it wasn't unusual if it happened before the > >> > birth...especially> if the woman had no oth! >> > er means of support. Some of the surnames I'm> researching showed up >> > there...on both sides of the court, either as the > woman or> the >> > father. Sadly, I could find nothing I could link to at this point >> > > in my> research. Maybe later....so I didn't put this in my post >> > either. > Forgive me> please for saving it for last. Can only >> > figure that we all wish to > think the> best of our ancestors, but >> > when you enter DNA research, you'd rather > have> facts and correct >> > answers and accept the fact that what you though > "was",> >> > sometimes insn't. I have one exact match at 37 on our Powell page, >> > and > 4 others at> 67 with other surnames. David Smith....I agree! >> > We're gonna ride this > bull> or have steak for dinner!!> > I love >> > seeing input like Jim and Jessica added to our postings. YDNA> >> > research will aid us all, but it's still up to all of us to make > >> > connections and do> research on our own to bring it together.> > >> > Jim Barrett, thank you again for all you do. > > Sue in KY> >> > **************Make your life easier with all your friends,! >> > email, and> favorite sites in one place. 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