Thanks, Larry! Bill and Cleve, please see the info below and contact me at: epowell@earthlink.net Elaine Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Larry Powell <larspowell@att.net> wrote: > Elaine, > > Ask either Bill or Cleve Powell. One of them has Powells going to Preston. > > > On Sep 14, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Elaine wrote: > >> Alan, thanks for this very understandable explanation--Well written and covers key concepts. >> >> Now if you could only help me figure out how to find ancestors of my earliest known Powell! It's Nicholas Powell, who according to US census info was born about 1790 in Ireland (so he may be part of the misnamed Scotch-Irish who came to the western PA/Virginia/West Virginia area). He married a woman from Greene County PA about 1835, and died about 1862. They lived in the Preston County WV area, and the court house burned, so no records are available from there. And to top it all off, my brother's DNA test isn't close to any of the Powells in this group--in fact, Jim B recommended that I check the Powers family....! >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Elaine >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 13, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Alan Powell <rippleish20@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I apologize for jumping into this discussion, but I think there is a >>> better explanation. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. >>> >>> There are two factors which we are using to determine (male) "common >>> ancestors" for genealogical purposes - Y Chromosome Haplogroup and the >>> 12-111 "Markers". >>> >>> The general theory of how this works is that there originally was a common >>> male ancestor for all males in existence today (a "Y-chromosomal Adam" if >>> you would, thousands and thousands of years ago), presumably in Africa. >>> So, first of all, we (the males in this group) DO HAVE A COMMON MALE >>> ANCESTOR. The issue from a genealogical point of view is that this common >>> ancestor may be so far back as to be useless for our purposes. As the >>> tribe/small group/whatever which included the Y-chromosomal Adam migrated >>> out of Africa, one of his descendants had a single nucleotide polymorphism >>> (SNP) mutation in his Y-DNA. The Y-DNA of all males who are descendants >>> of the male born with the mutation would now be distinguishable from males >>> who are not his descendants. Over time, more of these mutations occurred >>> and we now recognize that there is a hierarchy of these mutations. This >>> hierarchy can be used to determine how far back, at a minimum, a common >>> male ancestor would be. So, for example, we have Haplogroup T and R >>> represented in the Powell Surname. These two Haplogroups have a common >>> Haplogroup called K. The split in K may have occurred 10000 years ago, >>> however, so, practically speaking, these two groups have no common >>> ancestor for our purposes. It is incorrect, however, to say that they >>> don't or probably don't have a common male ancestor - they do! Also, once >>> you get to males within a spcific Haplogroup, you can then use the markers >>> to determine the statistical likihood of a common ancestor in a more >>> specific time period. >>> >>> What Jim is trying to point out, I believe, is that if a male Powell is >>> found to be Haplogroup T and another in Haplogroup R, the markers are >>> irrelevant for determining how long ago they had a common male ancestor. I >>> don't know the specific details of how long ago these two groups had a >>> common ancestor, but lets call it 10000 years. That means that the two >>> Powell males in each of these groups could not possibly have had a common >>> ancestor for at least 10000 years. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On 9/12/12 5:31 PM, "mgpage@att.net" <mgpage@att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM >>>> To: POWELL-DNA-L >>>> Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding >>>> >>>> I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different >>>> Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not >>>> share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Alan.  It doesn't make sense to me for people to have the wrong idea either.   Look at his statement - "By *definition*, all males whose Y-DNA is in a particular Haplogroup have a common male ancestor!"    The definition doesn't tell us if we are talking about the Haplogroup defined by the high order SNP or by the terminal SNP.  Look at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk.html    One of the high order SNPs is P305 and it is a defining SNP for Haplogroup A0, everyone should have P305, which would mean we all have the same common ancestor..  Sorry, I don't think that is what any of us mean by "common male ancestor".   If the definition doesn't mean the high order SNP it must mean the low order or terminal SNP.  Please look at the SNP names in red, they have all been added this year. Click on any of the Haplogroup names in the blue boxes. Try R.  See all of those red SNP names.  They have been added this year.  Just a wild guess on my part, but I'll bet we haven't found all of the terminal SNPs yet, thus we don't know all of the Haplogroup names, thus we can't define the group of men in the same terminally named SNP Haplogroup.   When I started this FTDNA said I was in Haplogroup R1b1.  Today, based on my 23andMe SNP list, FTDNA would call me a R1b1a2a1a1b3 and look at all on the new Haplogroups below that.   The point of my original post was to say that if you were an I1, for example, you would not share a common paternal line ancestor with a R1, for example.  I stand by that statement with no modification.  I did go on to say that if you share the same deepclade test with another person, that did not prove you shared a common paternal line ancestor.  I stand by that statement with the modification that you must know your terminal SNP and I doubt that any of us really know it.  In most cases FTNDA doesn't report the currently known terminal SNPs because they are too new.   Alan and I disagree and that is good.  You have his point of view and you have mine.  You can believe either of us or neither of us.  You'll be hard put to believe both of us.   If you wish to comment further on this topic please send your messages to me at parino@flash.net or to Alan at apowell@nycap.rr.com  Please, no more post on this topic on the list.   Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sat, 9/15/12, Alan Powell <apowell@nycap.rr.com> wrote: From: Alan Powell <apowell@nycap.rr.com> Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup Definition - yes, again To: POWELL-DNA@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 12:04 AM I apologize for rehashing this subject, and perhaps I have missed some of the conversation, but I can't let it go because it doesn't make sense to me for people to have the wrong idea. Please look at the following articles: http://www.familytreedna.com/understanding-haplogroups.aspx >From the FTDNA website: "A Y-DNA haplogroup is defined as all of the male descendants of the single person who first showed a particular SNP mutation. A SNP mutation identifies a group who share a common ancestor far back in time, since SNPs rarely mutate. Each member of a particular haplogroup has the same SNP mutation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup >From wikipedia:  "In molecular evolution, a haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in both haplotypes. " By *definition*, all males whose Y-DNA is in a particular haplogroup have a common male ancestor! Does this mean that because two Powells are in the same haplogroup that they share a RECENT ancestor? NO!  Many of the people in the Powell surname project are listed as R1b1a2, for example. The estimates I found suggest that the common ancestor for this haplogroup was about 7000 years ago.  That's a lot of generations. I would be amazed if most of us can go back 400 years in our genealogy.  This where the STR mutations or "markers" come in. These markers are also part of the Y-DNA but are a separate concept from the SNP mutations. These markers mutate more frequently, on average from the SNP mutations. Different markers also mutate with different frequencies, on average. The studies that I have seen suggest that some of them see mutations every 10 generations while others only see mutations every 100 generations. Over 7000 years, these markers mutate enough on average such that two individuals in the same haplogroup may end up varying by a large number of markers (15+). For genealogical purposes, you need to be in the same haplogroup and have markers that are pretty similar. Out of 37 markers, for example, I start losing interest in other Powells if they are further than a 34/37 match. If you are interested and do some research, you will find that the current theory is that there is a common male ancestor to ALL living humans, but we are talking 140,000 years ago. You will also find somewhat of a similar scenario with females and mitochondrial DNA (which a mother passes on to all of her children). I also have to point out that I am specifically talking about genetic relations, not necessarily family relationships. There are non paternal events which occur which can make for exceptions when you are trying and determine family lines. If, for example, I adopt a male child and he takes on my Family name, if he has children if may be confusing  to future researches of my line, because, since he is not my genetic offspring, he could be in a different haplogroup and/or have entirely different markers...

I apologize for rehashing this subject, and perhaps I have missed some of the conversation, but I can't let it go because it doesn't make sense to me for people to have the wrong idea. Please look at the following articles: http://www.familytreedna.com/understanding-haplogroups.aspx >From the FTDNA website: "A Y-DNA haplogroup is defined as all of the male descendants of the single person who first showed a particular SNP mutation. A SNP mutation identifies a group who share a common ancestor far back in time, since SNPs rarely mutate. Each member of a particular haplogroup has the same SNP mutation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup >From wikipedia: "In molecular evolution, a haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in both haplotypes. " By *definition*, all males whose Y-DNA is in a particular haplogroup have a common male ancestor! Does this mean that because two Powells are in the same haplogroup that they share a RECENT ancestor? NO! Many of the people in the Powell surname project are listed as R1b1a2, for example. The estimates I found suggest that the common ancestor for this haplogroup was about 7000 years ago. That's a lot of generations. I would be amazed if most of us can go back 400 years in our genealogy. This where the STR mutations or "markers" come in. These markers are also part of the Y-DNA but are a separate concept from the SNP mutations. These markers mutate more frequently, on average from the SNP mutations. Different markers also mutate with different frequencies, on average. The studies that I have seen suggest that some of them see mutations every 10 generations while others only see mutations every 100 generations. Over 7000 years, these markers mutate enough on average such that two individuals in the same haplogroup may end up varying by a large number of markers (15+). For genealogical purposes, you need to be in the same haplogroup and have markers that are pretty similar. Out of 37 markers, for example, I start losing interest in other Powells if they are further than a 34/37 match. If you are interested and do some research, you will find that the current theory is that there is a common male ancestor to ALL living humans, but we are talking 140,000 years ago. You will also find somewhat of a similar scenario with females and mitochondrial DNA (which a mother passes on to all of her children). I also have to point out that I am specifically talking about genetic relations, not necessarily family relationships. There are non paternal events which occur which can make for exceptions when you are trying and determine family lines. If, for example, I adopt a male child and he takes on my Family name, if he has children if may be confusing to future researches of my line, because, since he is not my genetic offspring, he could be in a different haplogroup and/or have entirely different markers...

Elaine, Ask either Bill or Cleve Powell. One of them has Powells going to Preston. On Sep 14, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Elaine wrote: > Alan, thanks for this very understandable explanation--Well written and covers key concepts. > > Now if you could only help me figure out how to find ancestors of my earliest known Powell! It's Nicholas Powell, who according to US census info was born about 1790 in Ireland (so he may be part of the misnamed Scotch-Irish who came to the western PA/Virginia/West Virginia area). He married a woman from Greene County PA about 1835, and died about 1862. They lived in the Preston County WV area, and the court house burned, so no records are available from there. And to top it all off, my brother's DNA test isn't close to any of the Powells in this group--in fact, Jim B recommended that I check the Powers family....! > > Any thoughts? > > Many thanks! > > Elaine > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Alan Powell <rippleish20@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I apologize for jumping into this discussion, but I think there is a >> better explanation. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. >> >> There are two factors which we are using to determine (male) "common >> ancestors" for genealogical purposes - Y Chromosome Haplogroup and the >> 12-111 "Markers". >> >> The general theory of how this works is that there originally was a common >> male ancestor for all males in existence today (a "Y-chromosomal Adam" if >> you would, thousands and thousands of years ago), presumably in Africa. >> So, first of all, we (the males in this group) DO HAVE A COMMON MALE >> ANCESTOR. The issue from a genealogical point of view is that this common >> ancestor may be so far back as to be useless for our purposes. As the >> tribe/small group/whatever which included the Y-chromosomal Adam migrated >> out of Africa, one of his descendants had a single nucleotide polymorphism >> (SNP) mutation in his Y-DNA. The Y-DNA of all males who are descendants >> of the male born with the mutation would now be distinguishable from males >> who are not his descendants. Over time, more of these mutations occurred >> and we now recognize that there is a hierarchy of these mutations. This >> hierarchy can be used to determine how far back, at a minimum, a common >> male ancestor would be. So, for example, we have Haplogroup T and R >> represented in the Powell Surname. These two Haplogroups have a common >> Haplogroup called K. The split in K may have occurred 10000 years ago, >> however, so, practically speaking, these two groups have no common >> ancestor for our purposes. It is incorrect, however, to say that they >> don't or probably don't have a common male ancestor - they do! Also, once >> you get to males within a spcific Haplogroup, you can then use the markers >> to determine the statistical likihood of a common ancestor in a more >> specific time period. >> >> What Jim is trying to point out, I believe, is that if a male Powell is >> found to be Haplogroup T and another in Haplogroup R, the markers are >> irrelevant for determining how long ago they had a common male ancestor. I >> don't know the specific details of how long ago these two groups had a >> common ancestor, but lets call it 10000 years. That means that the two >> Powell males in each of these groups could not possibly have had a common >> ancestor for at least 10000 years. >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 9/12/12 5:31 PM, "mgpage@att.net" <mgpage@att.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett >>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM >>> To: POWELL-DNA-L >>> Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding >>> >>> I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different >>> Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not >>> share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alan, thanks for this very understandable explanation--Well written and covers key concepts. Now if you could only help me figure out how to find ancestors of my earliest known Powell! It's Nicholas Powell, who according to US census info was born about 1790 in Ireland (so he may be part of the misnamed Scotch-Irish who came to the western PA/Virginia/West Virginia area). He married a woman from Greene County PA about 1835, and died about 1862. They lived in the Preston County WV area, and the court house burned, so no records are available from there. And to top it all off, my brother's DNA test isn't close to any of the Powells in this group--in fact, Jim B recommended that I check the Powers family....! Any thoughts? Many thanks! Elaine Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Alan Powell <rippleish20@gmail.com> wrote: > I apologize for jumping into this discussion, but I think there is a > better explanation. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. > > There are two factors which we are using to determine (male) "common > ancestors" for genealogical purposes - Y Chromosome Haplogroup and the > 12-111 "Markers". > > The general theory of how this works is that there originally was a common > male ancestor for all males in existence today (a "Y-chromosomal Adam" if > you would, thousands and thousands of years ago), presumably in Africa. > So, first of all, we (the males in this group) DO HAVE A COMMON MALE > ANCESTOR. The issue from a genealogical point of view is that this common > ancestor may be so far back as to be useless for our purposes. As the > tribe/small group/whatever which included the Y-chromosomal Adam migrated > out of Africa, one of his descendants had a single nucleotide polymorphism > (SNP) mutation in his Y-DNA. The Y-DNA of all males who are descendants > of the male born with the mutation would now be distinguishable from males > who are not his descendants. Over time, more of these mutations occurred > and we now recognize that there is a hierarchy of these mutations. This > hierarchy can be used to determine how far back, at a minimum, a common > male ancestor would be. So, for example, we have Haplogroup T and R > represented in the Powell Surname. These two Haplogroups have a common > Haplogroup called K. The split in K may have occurred 10000 years ago, > however, so, practically speaking, these two groups have no common > ancestor for our purposes. It is incorrect, however, to say that they > don't or probably don't have a common male ancestor - they do! Also, once > you get to males within a spcific Haplogroup, you can then use the markers > to determine the statistical likihood of a common ancestor in a more > specific time period. > > What Jim is trying to point out, I believe, is that if a male Powell is > found to be Haplogroup T and another in Haplogroup R, the markers are > irrelevant for determining how long ago they had a common male ancestor. I > don't know the specific details of how long ago these two groups had a > common ancestor, but lets call it 10000 years. That means that the two > Powell males in each of these groups could not possibly have had a common > ancestor for at least 10000 years. > > > > Alan > > > On 9/12/12 5:31 PM, "mgpage@att.net" <mgpage@att.net> wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM >> To: POWELL-DNA-L >> Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding >> >> I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different >> Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not >> share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I apologize for jumping into this discussion, but I think there is a better explanation. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. There are two factors which we are using to determine (male) "common ancestors" for genealogical purposes - Y Chromosome Haplogroup and the 12-111 "Markers". The general theory of how this works is that there originally was a common male ancestor for all males in existence today (a "Y-chromosomal Adam" if you would, thousands and thousands of years ago), presumably in Africa. So, first of all, we (the males in this group) DO HAVE A COMMON MALE ANCESTOR. The issue from a genealogical point of view is that this common ancestor may be so far back as to be useless for our purposes. As the tribe/small group/whatever which included the Y-chromosomal Adam migrated out of Africa, one of his descendants had a single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in his Y-DNA. The Y-DNA of all males who are descendants of the male born with the mutation would now be distinguishable from males who are not his descendants. Over time, more of these mutations occurred and we now recognize that there is a hierarchy of these mutations. This hierarchy can be used to determine how far back, at a minimum, a common male ancestor would be. So, for example, we have Haplogroup T and R represented in the Powell Surname. These two Haplogroups have a common Haplogroup called K. The split in K may have occurred 10000 years ago, however, so, practically speaking, these two groups have no common ancestor for our purposes. It is incorrect, however, to say that they don't or probably don't have a common male ancestor - they do! Also, once you get to males within a spcific Haplogroup, you can then use the markers to determine the statistical likihood of a common ancestor in a more specific time period. What Jim is trying to point out, I believe, is that if a male Powell is found to be Haplogroup T and another in Haplogroup R, the markers are irrelevant for determining how long ago they had a common male ancestor. I don't know the specific details of how long ago these two groups had a common ancestor, but lets call it 10000 years. That means that the two Powell males in each of these groups could not possibly have had a common ancestor for at least 10000 years. Alan On 9/12/12 5:31 PM, "mgpage@att.net" <mgpage@att.net> wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett >Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM >To: POWELL-DNA-L >Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding > >I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different >Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not >share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. > >

Thanks anyway, Jim! On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jim Barrett wrote: > Linda, >   > That was from May 2011.  I didn't include an e-mail address in the > message and I no longer have the message that was sent to me.  I don't > see the line on our website. >   > Sorry! > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > Powell Surname DNA Project > http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm > > --- On Tue, 9/11/12, Linda <fredd1907@charter.net> wrote: > > > From: Linda <fredd1907@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Do you belong to this line? > To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 9:03 PM > > > > Hi Jim,   I remember in May you sent this out asking if anyone linked > to this line. I wonder if the person might still be interested in > getting into our DNA group. I would love to see how close we match > since I come down from Ransom's brother, Aaron Powell. Linda Garrett > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jim, Thank you for your reply. (By the way, I received mine in this form - via Annie Waters - rather than directly, for whatever reason.) I'm sorry I stirred up any turmoil. Mary-Gene -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Annie Waters Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:16 PM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding You are a very patient man! Annie Waters ________________________________ From: Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding If two men are from a different major Haplogroups (for example one is a R--- and one is a T---) they CAN NOT and/or DO NOT (both apply) share a common paternal ancestor.   Just because two men share a common backbone Haplogroug (R1b1a2 for an example) this does not imply that they DO share a common paternal ancestor.  You must compare their STR results (the more markers the better) to determine if there was a possible common paternal ancestor.    To me saying they CAN not and saying they can NOT means the same thing, but I'm far from being a English expert.  In both cases I mean they DO NOT. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Thu, 9/6/12, mgpage@att.net <mgpage@att.net> wrote: From: mgpage@att.net <mgpage@att.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, September 6, 2012, 11:58 AM Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor (they do not)? -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not share a common paternal ancestor.  I stand by that statement.   What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean that they do share a common paternal ancestor.  Look at at website.  We have seven different groups that are R1b1a2.  The first kit number from each of these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and 122891.  A report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance between different members of our project.  It doesn't list anyone if the genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare.   When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 20 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 13 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   I hope this makes my point. I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches of the Haplotree.  Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added all of the time. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda,   That was from May 2011.  I didn't include an e-mail address in the message and I no longer have the message that was sent to me.  I don't see the line on our website.   Sorry! Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Tue, 9/11/12, Linda <fredd1907@charter.net> wrote: From: Linda <fredd1907@charter.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Do you belong to this line? To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 9:03 PM Hi Jim,   I remember in May you sent this out asking if anyone linked to this line. I wonder if the person might still be interested in getting into our DNA group. I would love to see how close we match since I come down from Ransom's brother, Aaron Powell. Linda Garrett

Hi Jim, I remember in May you sent this out asking if anyone linked to this line. I wonder if the person might still be interested in getting into our DNA group. I would love to see how close we match since I come down from Ransom's brother, Aaron Powell. Linda Garrett On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jim Barrett wrote: > The person who sent the information has not purchased a kit but did > contact me about the posibility of doing so. >   > Linda, >   > I'll be happy to share any information with him.  I did forward the > earlier message from you.. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > Please Help Benjaman Kyle http://jpbdna.com/bkyle.htm > Barrett Surname DNA Project > http://jpbdna.com/barrett-family-dna-project.htm > Powell Surname DNA Project > http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Linda <fredd1907@charter.net> wrote: > > > From: Linda <fredd1907@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Do you belong to this line? > To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com > Cc: powell-dna@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:46 PM > > > Thanks Elaine, > I'll contact them! > Jim, > What kit # is the person who descends from Ransom Powell? > Linda Garrett > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Elaine64 wrote: > >> I have searched the original Abingdon Parish registers of 1677-1761 >> from Gloucester County, VA. There are a number of Powells. I did not >> take photos of the Powell listings, because I was searching for >> Hobday listings. However, there were Powells on some of the pages >> that listed Hobdays, as follows: >> Edmund, son of Edmund & Hannah Powell, March 3, 1744 >> Wm Powell, son of John Powell, baptised April 13, 1712. John, son of >> George & Mary Powell, b. Feb. 19 (don't know year) Mary, daughter of >> John Powell, baptised April 18, 1714 >> > >> Seamis (?), daughter of Hannah Powell, born March 17, 1749 >> >> If anyone is interested, I know they have the Abingdon Parish >> Register at the William & Mary College Library in Williamsburg and at >> the Newport News, Virginia Public Library. They might do lookups >> there, but I'm not sure. >> Elaine Powell >> Husband David Powell, Kit #153146 (believe this is the Thomas Powell >> of Isle of Wight line, but we have a brick wall at Benjamin Powell >> 1805 in Tennessee). So we have about 150 years to fill in!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Linda <fredd1907@charter.net> >> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com >> Cc: POWELL-DNA-L <POWELL-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 1:29 pm >> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Do you belong to this line? >> >> >> >>   believe this line to be in error. When you get back to William >> Powell . 1733, Isle of Wight Co, there is a descrepency. Although he >> did live or a time in Isle of Wight Co, it is now believed that he >> was from loucester Co. VA.  He had a wife named Elizabeth Dobson and >> her sister, ary Dobson married George Powell, believed to be the >> brother of this illiam. I studied the Gloucester Co. Powells in Jan. >> when I was in Salt ake City, and it is possible they were sons of a >> John Powell there. ansom Powell was the brother of my Aaron Powell >> and they lived in what s now Halifax Co. NC. Ransom  also served in >> the War of 1812 along with y Eaton Powell, son of Aaron.  I think >> this has been substantiated ince there are a couple of us from this >> line and we do NOT match those ho descend from the Isle of Wight >> Powells! >> inda Garrett >> it #97957 >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Jim Barrett wrote: >>> >>       10. William (1) (3) (5) (7) POWELL (b.Abt 1640-Isle of Wight >> Co,Virginia d.11 Dec 1696-) >>   9. William (5) POWELL Jr (b.Abt 1677-IoWC,Virginia d.20 Oct >> 1735-Isle of Wight Co,Virginia) >>   8. William (5) POWELL III (b.Abt 1701-Isle of Wight Co,Virginia >> d.Bef Nov 1793-EC,North Carolina) >>   7. William (5) POWELL IV (b.Abt 1733-Isle of Wight Co,Virginia >> d.Bef 1792) >>   6. Ransom (5) POWELL (b.Abt 1763-Edgecombe Co,North Carolina d.Bef >> 1836) >>   5. John M (5) POWELL (b.8 Mar 1813-Rutherford Co,North Carolina >> d.Abt 1875-New York City,New York) >>   4. John M (5) POWELL Jr (b.Abt 1854-Cohoma Co,Mississippi d.Aft >> 1917-Cohoma Co,Mississippi) >>   3. Lewis (5) POWELL (b.Abt 1882-Cohoma Co,Mississippi d.Abt >> 1937-Powell Co,Mississippi)I I >>   2. Lewis Smith (5) POWELL (b.Abt 1909-Helena,Arkansas d.Aug >> 1985-Helena,Arkansas) >>   1. Lewis (5) POWELL (b.Abt 1944-Helena,Arkansas) >> >> >>   Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX >>   Please Help Benjaman Kyle http://jpbdna.com/bkyle.htm >>   Barrett Surname DNA Project >> http://jpbdna.com/barrett-family-dna-project.htm >>   Powell Surname DNA Project >> http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm definitely up for it- but I'm only an hour away from him LOL Linda ________________________________________ From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mgpage@att.net [mgpage@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:19 PM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Sure - right here in Sacramento, California. Up for it? Mary-Gene -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:58 AM To: 'powell-dna@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding If that could be made to happen somehow I think it would be great. -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dlp2300@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:51 PM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Hey n Ya'll ... I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time. Maybe a set agenda to proitect time and information beneficial to all. David Powell -----Original Message----- From: mgpage <mgpage@att.net> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00 am Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor (they do not)? -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean that they do share a common paternal ancestor. Look at at website. We have seven different groups that are R1b1a2. The first kit number from each of these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and 122891. A report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance between different members of our project. It doesn't list anyone if the genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare. When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 20 or more from all of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor. When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 13 or more from all of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor. When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor. I hope this makes my point. I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches of the Haplotree. Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added all of the time. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sure - right here in Sacramento, California. Up for it? Mary-Gene -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:58 AM To: 'powell-dna@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding If that could be made to happen somehow I think it would be great. -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dlp2300@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:51 PM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Hey n Ya'll ... I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time. Maybe a set agenda to proitect time and information beneficial to all. David Powell -----Original Message----- From: mgpage <mgpage@att.net> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00 am Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor (they do not)? -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean that they do share a common paternal ancestor. Look at at website. We have seven different groups that are R1b1a2. The first kit number from each of these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and 122891. A report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance between different members of our project. It doesn't list anyone if the genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare. When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 20 or more from all of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor. When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 13 or more from all of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor. When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor. I hope this makes my point. I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches of the Haplotree. Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added all of the time. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Charlie, and thank you Jim for explaining the double web address. I called MSN and they say it is just the way it is. So guess each time I post a website, I will have inform everybody to delete 1/2 of it. I would like to know how many people from this site would like to join the Breconshire Historical Society????? Hopefully the subscription will not change at 8lbs., by the start of 2013. I am not promoting this for any type of gain, other than for information about our family connections to this area. Somewhere I have seen where the Powells were concentrated in the middle area of Wales, sorry cannot remember for sure where I saw this map, or what site it was on. It is my hope that all are having fun trying to connect to the Powells of Breconshire, you may connect, or your may not, but it is a point of reference, as you go back in time and find proof, with records, and information you will be able to connect, or not connect to this line of Breconshire, Wales. I feel that there are other lines in the Breconshire Archives, that have been written up, but not on the internet, so if a lot of join their Historical Society, we will be able to have access to this type of information. Some info you may not know about, but there were other brothers of Prince Madoc, and the posted Powell Chart, only reveals 2 brothers, so other family lines are to be considered. I know I am quoting info that I do not know for sure about, but am asking for help on this: I ran across a 3 volume set of books about the History of Wales, or The History of the Kings of Wales. I am sorry that I cannot give you the title of the books, or who wrote them, but by accident saw part of them on the internet quite a while ago, and forgot how to bring them up again. I did call about them a long time ago, to locate them, and at that time the person I spoke to told me that these books were in a University Library in California, or in Cincinnati, Ohio. I called Cincinnati, yesterday, but still could not remember the info about the 3 volumes I am in hopes that someone on the DNA site might know about these books, and share the info.. Once I acquire the info, I am going to frame it. I have been on the Breconshire rootsweb List for about 10 years, and they have been so helpful with information all this time, so this is a pretty good record. We all need to thank David Leon Powell & his talent for putting the Powell Chart in readable order, where it can be sent out by email. This took a lot of time, eyestrain, patience and devotion, to do this, in hopes someone might be connected in the R1b1a2 Haplogroup. There is someone in this Haplogroup that is mentioned on this Chart, it is Margie Powell, lower left to middle of the chart. She has cousins that took the Y-DNA test, and their test results turned up to be R1b1a2. Her family history goes back to where she was born in New Jersey, where the start of her family came from Wales. She has met the author of this Powell Chart, Nelson Bur Powell, born 1894. He is listed along with his family on the Chart. Well, thank all of you for your attention and wonderful help on this site, and hope you will be able to use the chart as a tool or reference to your family genealogy. Your Friend & Cousin, Pat Powell, Springer springerpc@msn.com<mailto:springerpc@msn.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Barrett<mailto:parino@flash.net> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Breconshire Local & Family History Society Charlie, She uses MSN.COM. I'll bet they do it for her just as ALO does or did. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm<http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm> mily-dna-project --- On Fri, 9/7/12, Charlie <chpowell@charter.net<mailto:chpowell@charter.net>> wrote: From: Charlie <chpowell@charter.net<mailto:chpowell@charter.net>> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Breconshire Local & Family History Society To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, September 7, 2012, 1:25 PM Patricia, Again...you have duplicated the web link in your email. It should be http://www.blfhs.co.uk<http://www.blfhs.co.uk/> Charlie

Kit 247745, with markers 1 - 67, has been added.  Haplogroup R1b1a2.   Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm

If that could be made to happen somehow I think it would be great. -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dlp2300@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:51 PM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Hey n Ya'll ... I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time. Maybe a set agenda to proitect time and information beneficial to all. David Powell -----Original Message----- From: mgpage <mgpage@att.net> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00 am Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor (they do not)? -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not share a common paternal ancestor.  I stand by that statement.   What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean that they do share a common paternal ancestor.  Look at at website.  We have seven different groups that are R1b1a2.  The first kit number from each of these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and 122891.  A report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance between different members of our project.  It doesn't list anyone if the genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare.   When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 20 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 13 or more from all of them.  They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them. They do not share a common paternal ancestor.   I hope this makes my point. I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches of the Haplotree.  Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added all of the time. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charlie,   She uses MSN.COM.  I'll bet they do it for her just as ALO does or did. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm mily-dna-project --- On Fri, 9/7/12, Charlie <chpowell@charter.net> wrote: From: Charlie <chpowell@charter.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Breconshire Local & Family History Society To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, September 7, 2012, 1:25 PM Patricia,    Again...you have duplicated the web link in your email. It should be     http://www.blfhs.co.uk Charlie -----Original Message----- From: PATRICIA SPRINGER Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 9:51 AM To: powell-dna Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Breconshire Local & Family History Society Here is the site for the Breconshire Historical Society, if any one might want to join. This is just for your information. P. P. Springer http://www.blfhs.co.uk/<http://www.blfhs.co.uk/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patricia, Again...you have duplicated the web link in your email. It should be http://www.blfhs.co.uk Charlie -----Original Message----- From: PATRICIA SPRINGER Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 9:51 AM To: powell-dna Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Breconshire Local & Family History Society Here is the site for the Breconshire Historical Society, if any one might want to join. This is just for your information. P. P. Springer http://www.blfhs.co.uk/<http://www.blfhs.co.uk/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is the site for the Breconshire Historical Society, if any one might want to join. This is just for your information. P. P. Springer http://www.blfhs.co.uk/<http://www.blfhs.co.uk/>

 Thanks, Jim for your generosity and patience and knowledge. I have no kit in the project but am a descendant of Moses Powell and William H Powell Annie Waters ________________________________ From: Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding Or you could just send me questions off list and I would answer them on the list as time permits.  If you do send questions please be sure to include your kit number. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Thu, 9/6/12, dlp2300@aol.com <dlp2300@aol.com> wrote: From: dlp2300@aol.com <dlp2300@aol.com> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, September 6, 2012, 5:50 PM Hey n Ya'll ... I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time.  Maybe a set agenda to proitect time and information beneficial to all. David Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have access to the technology for free if you need a volunteer. Jennifer Powell Langer On Sep 6, 2012, at 6:50 PM, dlp2300@aol.com wrote: > Hey n Ya'll ... > > I think what would be fun .. and helpfull would be to schedule a > Go-To-Meeting type meeting where all who are interested could get > together and learn from Jim at one-place-one-time. Maybe a set agenda > to proitect time and information beneficial to all. > > David Powell > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgpage <mgpage@att.net> > To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00 am > Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding > > Jim, I'm not quite sure if you're saying they CAN not share a common > ancestor (they may or may not), or they can NOT share a common ancestor > (they do not)? > > -----Original Message----- > From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:04 AM > To: POWELL-DNA-L > Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Haplogroup - Relationship Misunderstanding > > I have been telling you, for a long time, that two people in different > Paternal Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) can not > share a common paternal ancestor. I stand by that statement. > > What I have not said is - just because two people are in the same > Paternal > Haplogroups (tested to the same level at the same time) does not mean > that > they do share a common paternal ancestor. Look at at website. We have > seven different groups that are R1b1a2. The first kit number from each > of > these groups 201897, 220535, 131090, 201835, 159187, 146923 and > 122891. A > report that I can see, but you can't, lets me check the genetic distance > between different members of our project. It doesn't list anyone if the > genetic distance is greater than 20 on a 37 marker compare. > > When I compare 201897 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic > distance of 20 or more from all of them. They do not share a common > paternal ancestor. > > When I compare 220535 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic > distance of 13 or more from all of them. They do not share a common > paternal ancestor. > > When I compare 131090 to the other kits listed above he is a genetic > distance of 12 from 122891 and of 13 or more from the rest of them. > They do > not share a common paternal ancestor. > > I hope this makes my point. > > I keep repeating "tested to the same level at the same time" because a > person can have a backbone test which tests only to the larger branches > of > the Haplotree. Even when two people have ordered Deep Clade tests the > results need to be from the same time frame as new SNPs are being added > all > of the time. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > Powell Surname DNA Project > http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message