Bev, I assume you meant that Z has the adoption record. If I understand your question correctly Z believes that A and X is the same person. If this isn't the correct relationship ignore the rest of this. If A and X is the same person, do B and Y have the same father? That is would B and Y be full siblings or half siblings. I would recommend the same test either way, but the results would be different depending upon the answer. Two different test could be used: 1) mtDNA but knowing when the common ancestor lived is not determined so she could have been two generations ago or 20: 2) autosomal (Family Finder or 23andMe). With autosomal you will get a estimation of the degree of relationship. Family Finder from FTDNA uses chromosomes 1 - 22 and 23andMe uses chromosomes 1 - 22 and X. Since you are talking about women with a maternal line connection I think it would be good to include X which means I think 23andMe would be the better choice, but either should work. If you use Family Finder and include the test in the Powell project I can see the results. If you use 23andMe you want to be sure to include both kits under your control. I'm don't remember how this is done but my wife has our daughter's kit under her control so we can work that part out. You would have to give me your user ID and password for me to be able to see your results at 23andMe. 23and Me cost $299 and Family Finder cost $289. I believe you will have to add P&H to each of these. It is $4 per kit for FTDNA. Who to test? Of course you would test Z. If possible test B. If you can't get a sample from B then you would want C, D or E. C, D, and E have only half the X that comes from A that B would have. Of course they only have half of any of the DNA that B would have from A. If you have ordered Family Finder As I'm sure you know paper records can be faked. My parents had my birth certificate changed to make it looks like my mother had given birth to my two adopted brothers. DNA doesn't lie and in this case should give a very strong indication of the true relationship. Your real problem isn't which test to order or who to test but what Z will do with the results. You have indicated a concern over this. How will B and her family deal with this? You you believe this is a real problem. Another possibility is for you to have an autosomal test, but your X and your mtDNA comes from your mother, so you could use either of these to match with Z. I normally don't recommend 23andMe over FTDNA but in this case I'd really like for X to be included. I hope this helps. If I have missed something please let me know. FYI - I'm betting that FT DNA will have a sale on Family Finder before the end of the year. If they do I'll announce it on the list. Please let me know what you decide to do. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Wed, 10/17/12, Bev Powell <bwpowell@sympatico.ca> wrote: From: Bev Powell <bwpowell@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Match Messages To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 9:41 AM Hi Jim My kit # is 131090 I have a request from a female "Z"who suggests that her Grandmother "X"born 1928? And illigetimate and put up for adoption. The named biological?mother was my Aunt, next youngest to my Dad We do know that my Aunt had a daughter "B"born 1930 also out of wedlock. "B" has three children "C", "D" & "E" A - my Aunt (deceased) B - daughter of "A" C (male), D (male) & E(female) - children of "B" X - female in question (deceased) Y - daughter (deceased) of "X" Z - daughter of "Y" and person making inquiry X states that she has adoption record stating "A" as the mother, no father named. She has already provided me with the unusual but correct name of my Aunt. Z has offered to forward a copy of adoption record, but in the meantime I'm looking for other solutions. Is there any way of making a match or confirming any biological relationship between "B" and "Z?" Or C, D & E to Z I also have a suspicion that Z is after some sort of financial arrangement since B has lots of money and she is well known inher community Thanks for your interest Bev Powell.
This highlights the value of geneology by DNA versus written records. I have already connected with a "Grant" via DNA, although no such name exists in my recorded family trees, on either side, for the past two hundred years. This is why the Jewish tradition of tracing the mothers past is the true indication of one's origins. Most of us have "illegitimate" legacies, and often not that far in the past. It definitely complicates the research. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Bev Powell <bwpowell@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi Jim > My kit # is 131090 > > I have a request from a female "Z"who suggests that her Grandmother "X"born > 1928? And illigetimate and put up for adoption. > > The named biological?mother was my Aunt, next youngest to my Dad > > We do know that my Aunt had a daughter "B"born 1930 also out of wedlock. > > "B" has three children "C", "D" & "E" > > A - my Aunt (deceased) > B - daughter of "A" > C (male), D (male) & E(female) - children of "B" > > X - female in question (deceased) > Y - daughter (deceased) of "X" > Z - daughter of "Y" and person making inquiry > > X states that she has adoption record stating "A" as the mother, no father > named. She has already provided me with the unusual but correct name of my > Aunt. > > Z has offered to forward a copy of adoption record, but in the meantime I'm > looking for other solutions. > > Is there any way of making a match or confirming any biological relationship > between "B" and "Z?" Or C, D & E to Z > > I also have a suspicion that Z is after some sort of financial arrangement > since B has lots of money and she is well known inher community > > Thanks for your interest > > Bev Powell. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It would be hard for me to give an actual estimate of cost as it would depend on how you like to travel, deluxe or economy. We chose economy last time we went there. We stayed at a lot of Travellodges which are extremely inexpensive if you pay ahead. Check out their website to get an idea of cost per day for lodging. We found food prices not as high as in England and eating in pubs in the UK can be very inexpensive and surprisingly good. Your airfare will depend on where you live and how far ahead you book. You can fly into Heathrow or Gatwick and pick up a rental car. The car is probably the most expensive part of the trip. Book ahead and keep checking back to see if any lower price specials are available. I see many people travel by train and seem to enjoy it. I can't imagine being there without a car, you just have to learn to drive on the WRONG side of the road.j It is an experience of a lifetime and well worth the expense. All of the UK is a special experience, Wales, England and Scotland. I recommend going when the weather can be warmer (although not guaranteed any time of year) starting in May. One of our best weather weeks was the last week in April. Sites that you would want to visit generally open after Easter and many are closed during the winter months. Be sure to check them out before you go. I looked at the Powells Cottages and they seem very reasonable if you are going with another couple. There are other B&B options in Wales also within budget. It is usually better to just stay a few days in one place to get better coverage of the area. I hope you decide to take the plunge and go. You can write me off the list if you have questions. We are usually yearly visitors to the UK and have lots of experience with travel there. Cheers, Barbara Barbara Walker Good BWGood@aol.com Walker Surname DNA Project Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Main Page) Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Y-DNA Results Chart) Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Pedigrees) -----Original Message----- From: dlp2300 <dlp2300@aol.com> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Powells Cottage Holidays | Holiday Cottages in Cornwall Devon & Wales Hi ? What does a trip to Wales cost?? for how long ? ? David Powell
Hi ? What does a trip to Wales cost?? for how long ? ? David Powell -----Original Message----- From: Elaine64 <elaine64@aol.com> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Powells Cottage Holidays | Holiday Cottages in Cornwall Devon & Wales We visited Wales in 2006 and it was a wonderful trip! We traveled everywhere by train. We visited the town where my Whitelaw ancestors lived -- Neath, in County Glamorgan. You get a rail pass in the USA before you go. We took a few cabs to get to hotels and such, but the train is a great way to travel in Wales. I planned the trip myself and we did not go on a tour of any kind. We flew into London and took the train to Wales. The Museum of Welsh Life is wonderful! Elaine Powell -----Original Message----- From: PATRICIA SPRINGER <springerpc@msn.com> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:40 pm Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Powells Cottage Holidays | Holiday Cottages in Cornwall Devon & Wales If anyone would like to plan a trip to Wales, here is info on places to stay, nd places to see. Their catalog has a lot of beautiful photos of places to see nd places to stay. FyI, S ttp://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo<http://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo> ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Robet, Sorry, I shouldn't have included kit 107720 in my reply. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Mon, 10/15/12, Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> wrote: From: Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 12:23 PM Robert, Something in the format of the trees I currently attach would be best for me. As I'm sure you are aware this has created a real problem. Kit 250922 is R1b1a2, kits ANC03 (I don't know your connection to this kit), 121198 and 217435 are I1s and kit 107720 is a T1. The three I1s are close matches and there is little question about them sharing a common ancestor. The other two kits aren't close to each other nor to the three I1s. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> wrote: From: Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 9:21 AM Jim, Kit No. 250922 (R1b1a2), which was recently added, changes the 1st known Generation for Kit No. 121198 (I1), ANC03 (I1) and Kit No. 217435 (I1). The father of the brothers Lewis P. Powell (1790-1851) and Needham Powell (1795-1858) was not Needham Powell, a son of Isaac Powell and wife, Anne of Johnston Co., NC. I can send an updated Gedcom or a simple Family Line for each Kit. Please advise. Robert B. Powell -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:30 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Robert, Something in the format of the trees I currently attach would be best for me. As I'm sure you are aware this has created a real problem. Kit 250922 is R1b1a2, kits ANC03 (I don't know your connection to this kit), 121198 and 217435 are I1s and kit 107720 is a T1. The three I1s are close matches and there is little question about them sharing a common ancestor. The other two kits aren't close to each other nor to the three I1s. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> wrote: From: Robert B. Powell <beapal@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 9:21 AM Jim, Kit No. 250922 (R1b1a2), which was recently added, changes the 1st known Generation for Kit No. 121198 (I1), ANC03 (I1) and Kit No. 217435 (I1). The father of the brothers Lewis P. Powell (1790-1851) and Needham Powell (1795-1858) was not Needham Powell, a son of Isaac Powell and wife, Anne of Johnston Co., NC. I can send an updated Gedcom or a simple Family Line for each Kit. Please advise. Robert B. Powell -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:30 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Yes , JIm does a good job. I don't know how he keeps it up . I would be in looney bin by now. Keep up the good work Jim. Diane does a good job to but she is on sabatical right now. Hope she gets back soon. I have had to stop for a while with getting house on market and buying another. Then the real moving starts. Ugh! Can't wait to get back at the ole gene business. Have a Great Day Tamara PS. The wind here today is about to blow us away. It’s a Pooh day if ever there was one. -----Original Message----- From: diane branam Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:19 PM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website It is like Jim referred to, the click and add of Ancestry. When you see trees with just names, no census documentation probably not a good tree to be relying on. As you know Bill finds all the documentation on Ancestry, LDS and any other documents avail to show assure the line is followed accurately on his. Also many people are following papers trees that may have been started by an ancestor years ago before census records and DNA were available to the public without traveling to the area. Being able to follow a census for a family where you see the daughter in one census record married in the next. Then her and her children living with her parents but still with her husbands surname in the next. Then the next census she and the children are back with her parents surname. It is a fascinating hobby that takes care and determination and a willingness to see that some of what you have may be inaccurate, to create an accurate tree for future generations. Oh and Jim does a Great JOB! 300 Powells and his Barretts I truely appreciate the time it must take. ~Diane ________________________________ From: Tamara Powell <homelite76@msn.com> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website AIN'T if fun. I have said for a while that some of these lines are wrong. Would love to know how some of them come to their conclusions. Tamara -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I see one thing for sure in the pedigree of Kit 107720. He has combined two different Powell families, the one from Thomas Powell of Essex Co. VA and the one from Thomas Powell of Isle of Wight, VA. These are two separate families and do not match each other on DNA. I think the group that kit 107720 is listed with is the Essex Co. Powell although I was not able to locate a pedigree that went back to this Thomas and Mary Place Powell. Part of his pedigree contains generations of the Thomas Powell of the Gold Group, who died in Isle of Wight in 1687 and whose parents have never been proven. This pedigree needs some cleaning up but is probably in the correct group for the Essex Co. portion. If this kit holder wants to contact me, I will help him divide up his pedigree. The pedigree is not posted for Kit 251728. You are so right about DNA helping to rule out families. We just had a Walker participant who had his pedigree connected with the wrong Walker family who we fortunately have multiple DNA descendants from in our project and the new kit did not match them. Cheers, Barbara Barbara Walker Good BWGood@aol.com Walker Surname DNA Project Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Main Page) Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Y-DNA Results Chart) Family Tree DNA - Walker Surname DNA Project Results (Pedigrees) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> To: POWELL-DNA-L <POWELL-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:36 am Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It is like Jim referred to, the click and add of Ancestry. When you see trees with just names, no census documentation probably not a good tree to be relying on. As you know Bill finds all the documentation on Ancestry, LDS and any other documents avail to show assure the line is followed accurately on his. Also many people are following papers trees that may have been started by an ancestor years ago before census records and DNA were available to the public without traveling to the area. Being able to follow a census for a family where you see the daughter in one census record married in the next. Then her and her children living with her parents but still with her husbands surname in the next. Then the next census she and the children are back with her parents surname. It is a fascinating hobby that takes care and determination and a willingness to see that some of what you have may be inaccurate, to create an accurate tree for future generations. Oh and Jim does a Great JOB! 300 Powells and his Barretts I truely appreciate the time it must take. ~Diane ________________________________ From: Tamara Powell <homelite76@msn.com> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website AIN'T if fun. I have said for a while that some of these lines are wrong. Would love to know how some of them come to their conclusions. Tamara -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Barbara, Thanks for catching this. I have loaded the page now. That is what happens when I get in a hurry. And thanks for your offer to help with the tree. All, I don't update your trees unless you send me the correction. If you need to change something it is very helpfule if you just send me a new tree or at least a link to the current tree. Also, PLEASE provide your kit number when asking for any change to your records. If you change your e-mail address I can change it on the mailing list but I must have your old address also. I can not change much (your e-mail address is something I can not change) on your FTDNA website unless you have granted me FULL access to your account by sending me your kit number and your password. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Barbara <bwgood@aol.com> wrote: From: Barbara <bwgood@aol.com> Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com, POWELL-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 11:45 AM If this kit holder (Kit 107720) wants to contact me, I will help him divide up his pedigree. The pedigree is not posted for Kit 251728. You are so right about DNA helping to rule out families. We just had a Walker participant who had his pedigree connected with the wrong Walker family who we fortunately have multiple DNA descendants from in our project and the new kit did not match them. Cheers, Barbara Barbara Walker Good BWGood@aol.com Walker Surname DNA Project
AIN'T if fun. I have said for a while that some of these lines are wrong. Would love to know how some of them come to their conclusions. Tamara -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jim, Kit No. 250922 (R1b1a2), which was recently added, changes the 1st known Generation for Kit No. 121198 (I1), ANC03 (I1) and Kit No. 217435 (I1). The father of the brothers Lewis P. Powell (1790-1851) and Needham Powell (1795-1858) was not Needham Powell, a son of Isaac Powell and wife, Anne of Johnston Co., NC. I can send an updated Gedcom or a simple Family Line for each Kit. Please advise. Robert B. Powell -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:30 AM To: POWELL-DNA-L Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Our Website Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Family information has been added to kit 251728. Unfortunately this brings up a problem we have had before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Kit 251728 (Wal-20 Haplogroup R1b1a2) and kit 107720 (Wal-18 Haplogroup T1) appear to be claiming the same paternal ancestor. It is not possible for men from two different Haplogroup branches to have the same paternal ancestor. If Y-DNA doesn't tell us anything else about our paternal ancestors it does tell us that. I have no idea which of the two kits has the correct line so I suggest the two kit holders get together and see if they can't find a source of the problem. I know this can be frustrating but it can also be very helpful. In my Barrett line there has been an on going discussion about the grandfather of my most distant proven paternal ancestor. There is a group that claims I descend from Reuben Barrett of New England and his wife Lydia Chambers. I wish I did as that would add several more ancestors to my tree, BUT we (a group of researchers) have never been able to find what we considered to be proof of this connection. Finally, after having been using Y-DNA for several years we were able to come up with two men who had well documented paper trails back to this couple and they agreed to test. They are in the same Haplogroup that I'm in, along with several of my Barrett kin, but our Y-DNA does not match. What did we learn. We don't descend from that couple. We still don't know who we do descend from but we do know one couple we don't descend from. There are many trees on Ancestry.com that say we do but quantity doesn't prove anything. It is too bad Ancestry.com has made it so easy to copy wrong data. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm
Jeanne asked the question, but the reply might be helpful to others. I don't send out the "Match" messages. These come from FTDNA. Having the kit number would only help if the match was within our project as I don't show kits that aren't in our project on our website. The match message does tell you how many markers are in the match and you know when you received the match. With these two pieces of information go to your myFTDNA website. Click on the Y-DNA tab and select Matches from the drop down list. Enter the number of markers from the message into the For box and click on the Run Report button. If the report is not in date sequence click on the Match Date heading. If the newest date is at the top your ready to go. If not click on the Match Date heading again. You should now have a list of matches for the requested number of markers in date sequence. The one at the top should be the one the message referred to. By clicking on the person's name you'll get information about him, including his e-mail address. If the person is in our project I'll be sending out a message within a day or two giving you the kit number and the number of markers that have been added which should agree with the number of markers in the message from FTDNA. The Match message from FTDNA is not private. It goes to all kit holders the match applies to. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sat, 10/13/12, Jeanne Tutor <jeanne.tutor@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Jeanne Tutor <jeanne.tutor@yahoo.com> Subject: Powell-DNA To: "parino@flash.net" <parino@flash.net> Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 7:42 AM Jim when you send out a notice that "a match has been found between..." why don't you give the match kit number? The email is private???? Very frustrating. Jeanne Powell Tutor
Thanks to both of you for this info, I've always wanted to go to Wales! Another Elaine Powell!! On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Elaine64 <elaine64@aol.com> wrote: > > We visited Wales in 2006 and it was a wonderful trip! We traveled everywhere by train. We visited the town where my Whitelaw ancestors lived -- Neath, in County Glamorgan. You get a rail pass in the USA before you go. We took a few cabs to get to hotels and such, but the train is a great way to travel in Wales. I planned the trip myself and we did not go on a tour of any kind. We flew into London and took the train to Wales. The Museum of Welsh Life is wonderful! > > Elaine Powell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PATRICIA SPRINGER <springerpc@msn.com> > To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:40 pm > Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Powells Cottage Holidays | Holiday Cottages in Cornwall Devon & Wales > > > If anyone would like to plan a trip to Wales, here is info on places to stay, > nd places to see. Their catalog has a lot of beautiful photos of places to see > nd places to stay. > FyI, > S > > ttp://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo<http://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo> > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Wow, it is nice to know that you have been there Elaine. I hope to go one of these days. I just thought the Powells Cottage Holidays, would be of some help to plan places to stay. Their catalog is beautiful. Sounds like a wonderful idea to travel by train. Pat Powell, Springer ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine64<mailto:elaine64@aol.com> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Powells Cottage Holidays | Holiday Cottages in Cornwall Devon & Wales We visited Wales in 2006 and it was a wonderful trip! We traveled everywhere by train. We visited the town where my Whitelaw ancestors lived -- Neath, in County Glamorgan. You get a rail pass in the USA before you go. We took a few cabs to get to hotels and such, but the train is a great way to travel in Wales. I planned the trip myself and we did not go on a tour of any kind. We flew into London and took the train to Wales. The Museum of Welsh Life is wonderful! Elaine Powell -----Original Message----- From: PATRICIA SPRINGER <springerpc@msn.com<mailto:springerpc@msn.com>> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:powell-dna@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:40 pm Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Powells Cottage Holidays | Holiday Cottages in Cornwall Devon & Wales If anyone would like to plan a trip to Wales, here is info on places to stay, nd places to see. Their catalog has a lot of beautiful photos of places to see nd places to stay. FyI, S ttp://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo<http://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo<http://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo>> ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
We visited Wales in 2006 and it was a wonderful trip! We traveled everywhere by train. We visited the town where my Whitelaw ancestors lived -- Neath, in County Glamorgan. You get a rail pass in the USA before you go. We took a few cabs to get to hotels and such, but the train is a great way to travel in Wales. I planned the trip myself and we did not go on a tour of any kind. We flew into London and took the train to Wales. The Museum of Welsh Life is wonderful! Elaine Powell -----Original Message----- From: PATRICIA SPRINGER <springerpc@msn.com> To: powell-dna <powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:40 pm Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Powells Cottage Holidays | Holiday Cottages in Cornwall Devon & Wales If anyone would like to plan a trip to Wales, here is info on places to stay, nd places to see. Their catalog has a lot of beautiful photos of places to see nd places to stay. FyI, S ttp://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo<http://www.powells.co.uk/?_$ja=tsid:44643|prd:Company%20Logo> ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message
Once again I have proved that haste make waste! Markers 13 - 37 have been added to kit 254387. Thanks Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm
Kit 251728, with markers 1 - 12 has been added. Haplogroup R1b1a2. Family information has been requested. Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm
Hi Just found someone posted a page for Thomas Powell, founder of Bethpage, Long Island, NY, on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Powell_(1641–1722) well foot noted. Regards, Deborah Powell New Jersey