Susan,   Have him/them use the following link to place the order(s): http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=E35819&Group=Powell  This will automatically add them to the Powell project.  You may need to offer to pay or at least help pay for the kit.   Good luck. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm --- On Sat, 2/2/13, Susan Gillespie <susang@summergrove.net> wrote: From: Susan Gillespie <susang@summergrove.net> Subject: [POWELL-DNA] New Powell Cousin To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:03 AM I have finally located a Powell cousin that I might be able to beg into testing.  I did not know any of them were still alive.  I found 3 males in Florida. I am hoping that one of the 3 will agree to help me. We are descended from Larkin Powell - Laurens County Georgia - c. 1807 Susan Johnson Gillespie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have finally located a Powell cousin that I might be able to beg into testing. I did not know any of them were still alive. I found 3 males in Florida. I am hoping that one of the 3 will agree to help me. We are descended from Larkin Powell - Laurens County Georgia - c. 1807 Susan Johnson Gillespie

Dear Powell-DNA members, I recently purchased a copy of the Lucas book "Powell Families of Virginia and the South" which I hope will help with my Powell family research. I know that DNA as well as other research since publication has proved that some information in the book is incorrect. Does anyone know for certain which family information in the book is definitely wrong? I do not want to waste time on researching family lines with erroneous information. Thanks for any help you can provide. Sincerely, Debbie Powell

On my line has a lot wrong. Never trust a genealogy book. Use it for clues to help you PROVE YOUR line. Rev. Lucas didn't have the resources we have today. So, he had to do a lot of supposition. Unfortunately, there are way too many people who take his book as Gospel. On 2/2/2013 10:49 AM, Deborah Powell wrote: > Dear Powell-DNA members, > > I recently purchased a copy of the Lucas book "Powell Families of > Virginia and the South" which I hope will help with my Powell family > research. I know that DNA as well as other research since publication > has proved that some information in the book is incorrect. Does > anyone know for certain which family information in the book is > definitely wrong? I do not want to waste time on researching family > lines with erroneous information. > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > Sincerely, > Debbie Powell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

MIght close some holes. Thanks. leep57@gmail.com On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, PATRICIA SPRINGER <springerpc@msn.com>wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a Email from a Logan Cheek lll, he has his a lot of files, and > information on this email. I was wondering if anyone on the DNA site, has > any connections to his Robert Powell and Ann West genealogy?? > > If anyone might be interested, I could forward the Email to you. Send me > your email address. > > Thank You, > Pat Powell, Springer > springerpc@msn.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I hope more will follow your example in reaching out to others that could shed light and provide documentation on our Powell heritage. Thanks, Susan Ron -----Original Message----- From: powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powell-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Gillespie Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:04 AM To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWELL-DNA] New Powell Cousin I have finally located a Powell cousin that I might be able to beg into testing. I did not know any of them were still alive. I found 3 males in Florida. I am hoping that one of the 3 will agree to help me. We are descended from Larkin Powell - Laurens County Georgia - c. 1807 Susan Johnson Gillespie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone, I have a Email from a Logan Cheek lll, he has his a lot of files, and information on this email. I was wondering if anyone on the DNA site, has any connections to his Robert Powell and Ann West genealogy?? If anyone might be interested, I could forward the Email to you. Send me your email address. Thank You, Pat Powell, Springer springerpc@msn.com

I would like to purchase that book Powell's anyway the Lucas book can you tell me where I might find one Thank you Rebba Powell (Workmon) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:53 AM, "Deborah Powell" <debbie.j.powell@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Powell-DNA members, > > I recently purchased a copy of the Lucas book "Powell Families of > Virginia and the South" which I hope will help with my Powell family > research. I know that DNA as well as other research since publication > has proved that some information in the book is incorrect. Does > anyone know for certain which family information in the book is > definitely wrong? I do not want to waste time on researching family > lines with erroneous information. > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > Sincerely, > Debbie Powell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat I'm not sure but would love the email Thank you Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:38 AM, "PATRICIA SPRINGER" <springerpc@msn.com> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a Email from a Logan Cheek lll, he has his a lot of files, and information on this email. I was wondering if anyone on the DNA site, has any connections to his Robert Powell and Ann West genealogy?? > > If anyone might be interested, I could forward the Email to you. Send me your email address. > > Thank You, > Pat Powell, Springer > springerpc@msn.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Me too. On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Dan Powell <danpowell@prodigy.net> wrote: > Hi Pat I'm not sure but would love the email > Thank you > Dan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:38 AM, "PATRICIA SPRINGER" <springerpc@msn.com> wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I have a Email from a Logan Cheek lll, he has his a lot of files, and information on this email. I was wondering if anyone on the DNA site, has any connections to his Robert Powell and Ann West genealogy?? >> >> If anyone might be interested, I could forward the Email to you. Send me your email address. >> >> Thank You, >> Pat Powell, Springer >> springerpc@msn.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, made a mistake of the year of the Francis Powell Sr., that married a Sarah. He was born 1750 in Orange or Culpeper Co. Virginia, and moved to Elbert or Cedar Creek Ga. in Wilkes, Elbert, or Hart Co.'s Ga.. This Francis Powell Sr. 's parents were John Powell and Ann Pickett, of the T Haplogroup. Kieth do you know anything about this Francis Powell Sr. born 1750, in Orange or Culpeper Co. Virginia??? Pat Powell, Springer springerpc@msn.com<mailto:springerpc@msn.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Giddeon<mailto:wilkes@giddeon.com> To: powell-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html> Sorting out Francis Powells from Amherst Co. Va. To Wilkes Co. Ga. There is a lot of incorrect information on the Francis Powells of Elbert and Wilkes Counties. It is very simple: Francis Powell of Elbert was born in Orange, Co., VA AND HE NEVER LIVED IN WILKES COUNTY, GA. Francis Powell of Wilkes was born in Albemarle (later Amherst) Co., VA. He NEVER LIVED IN ELBERT COUNTY, GA. Francis Wilkes is my gggg-gf and all of my research is original, based on actual documents, not on the guesses of Mrs. Hiden, or Rev. Lucas. On 12/31/2012 11:21 PM, PATRICIA SPRINGER wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Just trying to sort out Francis Powells and what Haplogroup they are in. By the Francis Powell in the site below, > this Francis was born in Amherst Co. Va. or Albr. Co. Virginia. He was born in 1750 and his father was Moses Powell. He had brothers Lewis, Benjamin, Nelson, Cynthia, Jane, Mary, Cader, & Joseph. Might be more. Hope this will be of some help, and thinking these Powells are in Haplogroup R1b1a2. This article seems to be published by Keith Giddeon. Francis Powell in the late 1700's moved and died in Wilkes Co. Ga., around 1830, or after. > > I thought I would submit this info, and my assumptions, they may be correct, or they may not, so I stand to be corrected. > > I have found that there is another Francis Powell Sr. that was born in Orange, or Culpeper Co. Virginia 1850, married a Sarah? , moved to Elbert, Hart, and Wilkes Co. Ga. His father is John Powell and Ann Pickett, and is one of their 10 or 11 Children. This Haplogroup for this Francis Powell Sr. is "T" group. I am still looking for my Lewis Riddle Powell's parents, and think this might be the Francis Powell I am looking for. I do have Rev. War pension records separating these 2 Francis Powell's. I thought at first they were one and the same, but they do have > different numbers, and also different wives. The Francis Powell above married Nancy Whitehead. > > I am looking for more Info on the Francis Powell Sr. in Orange or Cupeper Co. Va. to Elbert, Hart, or Wilkes Co., in Wilkes Co. Ga. in the Cedar Creek area. Would appreciate anything that anyone has as far as the second Francis Powell Sr. that married a Sarah, a Will, or a Deed listing heirs. > > Thank you, > Pat Powell, Springer Kit number 33727, Haplogroup T. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html%3Chttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keith, Do you have any additional information regarding Francis of Elbert County? Pat Powell Springer and I believe we have a connection to that Francis. We have run into a dark hole there from about 1750- 1815 or so. Thanks, Larry Powell 229909 On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Keith Giddeon <wilkes@giddeon.com> wrote: > Francis Powell of Wilkes did not have any siblings, children or parents > named Cader, Lewis or Moses. That is an entirely different line that > lived in Wilkes County, Ga. prior to the county being carved into other > counties. The Cader, Lewis and Moses line actually lived far away from > Wilkes after the child counties were established.. > > His parents were John and Elizabeth Powell. Once again, this is proved > by actual documents and not supposition. > > > On 12/31/2012 11:21 PM, PATRICIA SPRINGER wrote: >> Hello Folks, >> >> Just trying to sort out Francis Powells and what Haplogroup they are in. By the Francis Powell in the site below, >> this Francis was born in Amherst Co. Va. or Albr. Co. Virginia. He was born in 1750 and his father was Moses Powell. He had brothers Lewis, Benjamin, Nelson, Cynthia, Jane, Mary, Cader, & Joseph. Might be more. Hope this will be of some help, and thinking these Powells are in Haplogroup R1b1a2. This article seems to be published by Keith Giddeon. Francis Powell in the late 1700's moved and died in Wilkes Co. Ga., around 1830, or after. >> >> I thought I would submit this info, and my assumptions, they may be correct, or they may not, so I stand to be corrected. >> >> I have found that there is another Francis Powell Sr. that was born in Orange, or Culpeper Co. Virginia 1850, married a Sarah? , moved to Elbert, Hart, and Wilkes Co. Ga. His father is John Powell and Ann Pickett, and is one of their 10 or 11 Children. This Haplogroup for this Francis Powell Sr. is "T" group. I am still looking for my Lewis Riddle Powell's parents, and think this might be the Francis Powell I am looking for. I do have Rev. War pension records separating these 2 Francis Powell's. I thought at first they were one and the same, but they do have >> different numbers, and also different wives. The Francis Powell above married Nancy Whitehead. >> >> I am looking for more Info on the Francis Powell Sr. in Orange or Cupeper Co. Va. to Elbert, Hart, or Wilkes Co., in Wilkes Co. Ga. in the Cedar Creek area. Would appreciate anything that anyone has as far as the second Francis Powell Sr. that married a Sarah, a Will, or a Deed listing heirs. >> >> Thank you, >> Pat Powell, Springer Kit number 33727, Haplogroup T. >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Markers 13 - 67 have been added to kit 251728.   If you have received results recently or think you should have received results and haven't been notified by FTDNA that they have been posted please check our myFTDNA website for those results.  If you find any results that I have not added to our website please let me know.  It seems that FTDNA has had another laps in sending out messages.   Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX

Francis Powell of Wilkes did not have any siblings, children or parents named Cader, Lewis or Moses. That is an entirely different line that lived in Wilkes County, Ga. prior to the county being carved into other counties. The Cader, Lewis and Moses line actually lived far away from Wilkes after the child counties were established.. His parents were John and Elizabeth Powell. Once again, this is proved by actual documents and not supposition. On 12/31/2012 11:21 PM, PATRICIA SPRINGER wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Just trying to sort out Francis Powells and what Haplogroup they are in. By the Francis Powell in the site below, > this Francis was born in Amherst Co. Va. or Albr. Co. Virginia. He was born in 1750 and his father was Moses Powell. He had brothers Lewis, Benjamin, Nelson, Cynthia, Jane, Mary, Cader, & Joseph. Might be more. Hope this will be of some help, and thinking these Powells are in Haplogroup R1b1a2. This article seems to be published by Keith Giddeon. Francis Powell in the late 1700's moved and died in Wilkes Co. Ga., around 1830, or after. > > I thought I would submit this info, and my assumptions, they may be correct, or they may not, so I stand to be corrected. > > I have found that there is another Francis Powell Sr. that was born in Orange, or Culpeper Co. Virginia 1850, married a Sarah? , moved to Elbert, Hart, and Wilkes Co. Ga. His father is John Powell and Ann Pickett, and is one of their 10 or 11 Children. This Haplogroup for this Francis Powell Sr. is "T" group. I am still looking for my Lewis Riddle Powell's parents, and think this might be the Francis Powell I am looking for. I do have Rev. War pension records separating these 2 Francis Powell's. I thought at first they were one and the same, but they do have > different numbers, and also different wives. The Francis Powell above married Nancy Whitehead. > > I am looking for more Info on the Francis Powell Sr. in Orange or Cupeper Co. Va. to Elbert, Hart, or Wilkes Co., in Wilkes Co. Ga. in the Cedar Creek area. Would appreciate anything that anyone has as far as the second Francis Powell Sr. that married a Sarah, a Will, or a Deed listing heirs. > > Thank you, > Pat Powell, Springer Kit number 33727, Haplogroup T. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

There is a lot of incorrect information on the Francis Powells of Elbert and Wilkes Counties. It is very simple: Francis Powell of Elbert was born in Orange, Co., VA AND HE NEVER LIVED IN WILKES COUNTY, GA. Francis Powell of Wilkes was born in Albemarle (later Amherst) Co., VA. He NEVER LIVED IN ELBERT COUNTY, GA. Francis Wilkes is my gggg-gf and all of my research is original, based on actual documents, not on the guesses of Mrs. Hiden, or Rev. Lucas. On 12/31/2012 11:21 PM, PATRICIA SPRINGER wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Just trying to sort out Francis Powells and what Haplogroup they are in. By the Francis Powell in the site below, > this Francis was born in Amherst Co. Va. or Albr. Co. Virginia. He was born in 1750 and his father was Moses Powell. He had brothers Lewis, Benjamin, Nelson, Cynthia, Jane, Mary, Cader, & Joseph. Might be more. Hope this will be of some help, and thinking these Powells are in Haplogroup R1b1a2. This article seems to be published by Keith Giddeon. Francis Powell in the late 1700's moved and died in Wilkes Co. Ga., around 1830, or after. > > I thought I would submit this info, and my assumptions, they may be correct, or they may not, so I stand to be corrected. > > I have found that there is another Francis Powell Sr. that was born in Orange, or Culpeper Co. Virginia 1850, married a Sarah? , moved to Elbert, Hart, and Wilkes Co. Ga. His father is John Powell and Ann Pickett, and is one of their 10 or 11 Children. This Haplogroup for this Francis Powell Sr. is "T" group. I am still looking for my Lewis Riddle Powell's parents, and think this might be the Francis Powell I am looking for. I do have Rev. War pension records separating these 2 Francis Powell's. I thought at first they were one and the same, but they do have > different numbers, and also different wives. The Francis Powell above married Nancy Whitehead. > > I am looking for more Info on the Francis Powell Sr. in Orange or Cupeper Co. Va. to Elbert, Hart, or Wilkes Co., in Wilkes Co. Ga. in the Cedar Creek area. Would appreciate anything that anyone has as far as the second Francis Powell Sr. that married a Sarah, a Will, or a Deed listing heirs. > > Thank you, > Pat Powell, Springer Kit number 33727, Haplogroup T. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

FTDNA has extended their sale until Jan. 3.  If you got cash for Christmas and don't know what to do with it you might want to order a kit for a relative or upgrade your tests or add a new test to your kit.   If you happen to have money left over after Christmas, does anyone, the same applies.   I hope all of you have a Happy and productive New Year. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX

Hello Folks, Just trying to sort out Francis Powells and what Haplogroup they are in. By the Francis Powell in the site below, this Francis was born in Amherst Co. Va. or Albr. Co. Virginia. He was born in 1750 and his father was Moses Powell. He had brothers Lewis, Benjamin, Nelson, Cynthia, Jane, Mary, Cader, & Joseph. Might be more. Hope this will be of some help, and thinking these Powells are in Haplogroup R1b1a2. This article seems to be published by Keith Giddeon. Francis Powell in the late 1700's moved and died in Wilkes Co. Ga., around 1830, or after. I thought I would submit this info, and my assumptions, they may be correct, or they may not, so I stand to be corrected. I have found that there is another Francis Powell Sr. that was born in Orange, or Culpeper Co. Virginia 1850, married a Sarah? , moved to Elbert, Hart, and Wilkes Co. Ga. His father is John Powell and Ann Pickett, and is one of their 10 or 11 Children. This Haplogroup for this Francis Powell Sr. is "T" group. I am still looking for my Lewis Riddle Powell's parents, and think this might be the Francis Powell I am looking for. I do have Rev. War pension records separating these 2 Francis Powell's. I thought at first they were one and the same, but they do have different numbers, and also different wives. The Francis Powell above married Nancy Whitehead. I am looking for more Info on the Francis Powell Sr. in Orange or Cupeper Co. Va. to Elbert, Hart, or Wilkes Co., in Wilkes Co. Ga. in the Cedar Creek area. Would appreciate anything that anyone has as far as the second Francis Powell Sr. that married a Sarah, a Will, or a Deed listing heirs. Thank you, Pat Powell, Springer Kit number 33727, Haplogroup T. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~katy/jmshold/b12018.html>

I ran across the following Powell's while researching the Kelsey family in the "Genealogy of the Kelsey Kindred, Volume 3." These Powell's are NOT part of my Family, but may be of help to other researchers. 1: Elizabeth Powell, b. Mar 17, 1862 at Liverpool England, m. William Alfred Kelsey, b. September 12 1860 Chantler, Ontario, Canada. Married at Fenwick. Vol. 3, Pg. 752 2: James Powell, b. March 22, 1860, Liverpool England, m. Alice Mary Kelsey, b. June 6, 1870, Pelham, Ontario, Canada. Married at Pelham Ontario, Canada. Vol. 3, Pg. 754 3: Squire William Edward Powell, b. March 6, 1889, Pelham, Ontario, Canada. Vol. 3, Pg.754. 4: Minnie Powell, b. June 3, 1891, Welland, Ontario, Canada, m. William H. Horton, b. December 20, 1891, at Tillsonberg, Ontario, Canada. Vol. 3, Pg. 754 5: Charles Spurgeon, b. December 15, 1894, Buffalo, New York, m. Jenette Ellen Dennis, b. February 1 1892, at Buffalo, New York. Vol. 3, Pg. 754 6: Mary Kelsey, b. September 19, 1879, m. Sampson J. Powell Vol. 3, Pg. 313 I have NO further information on these people.

----- Original Message ----- From: PATRICIA SPRINGER<mailto:springerpc@msn.com> To: powell-dna<mailto:powell-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 8:37 PM Subject: Book By Durward E. Powell "Robert Powell and Charity and Thier Eleven Children" Hello Everyone, Agnes Powell, widow of Durward E. Powell of the T Haplogroup, has some of Durwards bound books that were left in storage. Agnes was wondering if anyone would like to buy one of these books for 35.00 dollars. The book is about a Robert Powell and Chaity and their 11 Children. The history of Robert, his Father was with his 2 brothers Erwin, and William Powell, somehow were on a English Ship, that was taken over by the Spanish, and they swam a shore, and settled in North Carolina, Durham, North Carolina, where Durward and Agnes Powell lived. If someone should want more information about this book, please contact me off line at: springerpc@msn.com<mailto:springerpc@msn.com> I will try and have more information about the book. If you would like to call, my number is: 812-945-0716 after 4:oo in the afternoon Eastern Standard Time. Thank you, Pat Powell, Springer springerpc@msn.com<mailto:springerpc@msn.com>

Jim: When you get a chance I would like to hear more about this project! Thanks, Abby On Dec 19, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Jim Barrett <parino@flash.net> wrote: > WOW!! Talk about a Merry Christmas. Another transfer from the National Geographic. > > Kit N85266, with markers 1 - 12 has been added. Haplogroup R1b1a2. > > Thanks. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > Powell Surname DNA Project http://jpbdna.com/powell-surname-dna-project.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWELL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message