Hello Everyone, I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from here on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not tell us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida Seminoles. His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story sounds familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, give me a holler, I'd appreciate. Thank You muchly, Jessica Powell _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008

thanks >From: Jim Barrett <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 01:14:04 CDT >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >Some places to look for additional information: > http://www.familytreedna.com/GLOSSARY.HTML > http://www.familytreedna.com/dna101.html follow some of their links > Consider buying a book - http://www.familytreedna.com/books.html - I think Trace Your Roots with DNA : Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree >by Megan Smolenyak, Ann Turner is a good place to start. > > I like pictures also. This is an example of DYS393 and shows 15 repeats (alleles) > http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/marker_details.jspx?marker=DYS393 > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > >[email protected] wrote: > > >I know absolutely nothing about alleles etc.Can you test beyond 67 markers? sylvia(james Jones)of the Gold group.I match Willie. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thanks >From: Jim Barrett <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 01:14:04 CDT >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >Some places to look for additional information: > http://www.familytreedna.com/GLOSSARY.HTML > http://www.familytreedna.com/dna101.html follow some of their links > Consider buying a book - http://www.familytreedna.com/books.html - I think Trace Your Roots with DNA : Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree >by Megan Smolenyak, Ann Turner is a good place to start. > > I like pictures also. This is an example of DYS393 and shows 15 repeats (alleles) > http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/marker_details.jspx?marker=DYS393 > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > >[email protected] wrote: > > >I know absolutely nothing about alleles etc.Can you test beyond 67 markers? sylvia(james Jones)of the Gold group.I match Willie. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks jim From: Jim Barrett <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 01:45:23 CDT >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >Sorry! I missed part of the question. > > Yes you can test beyond 67 markers. Go to your myFTDNA website. > 1) Click on "Haplogroup". If you haven't already done so you can order a SNP test. > 2) Click on "Order Tests & Upgrades". Click on "Advanced Orders". You'll want to watch this one to be sure you don't order a marker you have already been tested for. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > >[email protected] wrote: > > >I know absolutely nothing about alleles etc.Can you test beyond 67 markers? sylvia(james Jones)of the Gold group.I match Willie. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Jim, Robert, and David (for his eloquent and touching response), and all the rest who have spoken to this issue of adoption and DNA, I thank you SO MUCH, and my friend likewise will be indebted to you. I believe that he will have his DNA tested. Ron Powell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA Ron, I have to agree with Robert. If the birth father was from the US the chance is much better. As Robert pointed out, he may not find a match today but he might tomorrow. Results are being added that fast. The down side is that if he has a common Haplotype he may match 100's of people and many different surnames. This would require testing of additional markers to limit the number of matches. As I tell all new contacts I'd start with 37 markers. If there is a project for his adoptive surname I think he should order his kit through it. There is an "Adoptees" surname project and he could join through it. They require that you start with 37 markers. Another option it to join through one of my projects and then move to the project form a matched surname if one is found. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Ron, That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the database today, he may in the future. Robert Powell Original Message: ----------------- From: powbak [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname group? Thanks you, Ron Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Even if he doesn't join a surname project there are other projects he could join that might connect geographically. Also, Y Search at www.ysearch.org would be able to match him with others and thru the process of elimination, he just might find out who his family is. In my case,(BTW, I am not adopted), my DNA matches all share different surnames. We did not know each other and had no connection prior to DNA testing. Now we know that at least 2 of us has a very closely connected. We may also know who our common ancestor was. Linda

Sorry! I missed part of the question. Yes you can test beyond 67 markers. Go to your myFTDNA website. 1) Click on "Haplogroup". If you haven't already done so you can order a SNP test. 2) Click on "Order Tests & Upgrades". Click on "Advanced Orders". You'll want to watch this one to be sure you don't order a marker you have already been tested for. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX [email protected] wrote: > I know absolutely nothing about alleles etc.Can you test beyond 67 markers? sylvia(james Jones)of the Gold group.I match Willie.

Some places to look for additional information: http://www.familytreedna.com/GLOSSARY.HTML http://www.familytreedna.com/dna101.html follow some of their links Consider buying a book - http://www.familytreedna.com/books.html - I think Trace Your Roots with DNA : Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree by Megan Smolenyak, Ann Turner is a good place to start. I like pictures also. This is an example of DYS393 and shows 15 repeats (alleles) http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/marker_details.jspx?marker=DYS393 Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX [email protected] wrote: > I know absolutely nothing about alleles etc.Can you test beyond 67 markers? sylvia(james Jones)of the Gold group.I match Willie.

> David,Thanks for sharing.I think everyone has a longing to know who we are and where we came from.I hope this project will reveal overtime who my great grandfather was.I know he was a Powell.It is too bad the stigma of illigetimacy has robbed us of knowledge of our forefathers.Keep searching.I know i will. Sylvia jones ferriter.kit number (james Jones) From: "David.E Smith" <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/01 Thu AM 08:46:12 CDT >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >** Reply Requested by 5/2/2008 (Friday) ** > > As one of the adopted people mentioned in the Gold group I feel as though I have something of substance to offer your friend, Ron. As I tend to forget that I'm addressing a group instead of one individual I'll keep THIS brief; this adventure, and I use the term specifically, started one summer morning in a Walmart of all places. It's been a real roller-coaster ride that isn't anywhere near finished. I was adopted at birth and have always known I was adopted and never really questioned it until an incident happened that led me to think of the other people involved. I decided I owed it to them to let them know what happened to me and that all things considered, I faired pretty well. The people that wipe the runny noses, that sit through the recitals, that bandage the knees and, occasionally dole out discipline ARE the people you call mom and dad. That's to say nothing against the people who, for many and mostly valid reasons, had to make some extremely difficult deci! s! > ions. Decisions that, usually break one's heart. If humans were perfect we wouldn't need someone like God to look after us. We make mistakes. And mistakes of the heart are the biggest and most profound of all. > It's been nearly twelve years since I started this adventure and what I've found out along the way has been enlightening, exciting, troubling and downright awe inspiring. There is still a lot to learn and I wouldn't trade ANY of it for any price. The people I've met, the acceptance offered by total strangers, the pride of knowing some of my ancestors were founding fathers of this great nation and the chance to fill in some blanks that, for one reason or another, OTHER people have wondered and been troubled about, has all been worth it. I still only know about half of the story. I've met my mother and found out that she was and is a very troubled woman. I feel I've fulfilled the obligation to her to let her know that this child fared pretty well. It was all I could do but it gave me some satisfaction and helped me to accept that it was about all I could do. The history I've learned has shed light on me and the reasons I do things sometimes. In other places it's cast s! h! > adows. I am and will continue to seek my father's family because one mistake or "bad apple" doesn't ruin the entire basket and I've two beautiful daughters and one (so far) granddaughter to show them. If my father is still alive and I am fortunate to meet him I will offer my forgiveness (for whatever it may be worth) and offer whatever life I and he have left. > Advice offered here comes with no strings, take it or leave it; take a shot in the dark with this DNA thing. We stand at a threshold of human knowledge that is heretofore unheralded in recorded history. Thanks to DNA and some wonderful people who were willing to share what they've learned I now know more about my ancestors from 400 years ago than I know about my own father. But it was and is worth it. And if your friend manages to find a surname project that is fortunate enough to benefit from some excellent management like the Powell project then I feel like answers will eventually appear and he will be glad he took the chance. > WHEW!! Okay. I said short, didn't I!? Alright, Alright, I get the message. But to be fair, my story, as well as a lot of others is a long and eventful one. This little tidbit only touches to surface. I'm happy to share with anyone who is curious about it. My story, however, is not that unigue. Many of us have similar stories and only a few find the courage to ask the questions. > To give it a rest, and for what it's worth, my counsel is to "take the chance". I took the chance, found some answers, drove nearly 800 miles to meet people who had never seen me before in our lives, found acceptance and if I never find or get anything else, I'll take it gladly. It's good for the soul. > If you, your friend or anyone else wants to know more about it my info appears at the bottom. Contact me off line or phone. One of these days AT&T is going to get their act straight and I'll get the home thing going. Until then.......... David (Kit #31545) (Now, what did I do with my coffee cup........?) > >DAVID E. SMITH >TDOT/Reg #3/Right of Way/Excess Land > 6601 Centennial Bvld, 2nd Floor >Nashville, TN 37243 >[email protected] >(615) 350-4229 >fax (615) 350-4291/4410 > > >>>> Jim Barrett <[email protected]> 5/1/2008 7:00 AM >>> >Ron, > > I have to agree with Robert. If the birth father was from the US the chance is much better. As Robert pointed out, he may not find a match today but he might tomorrow. Results are being added that fast. > > The down side is that if he has a common Haplotype he may match 100's of people and many different surnames. This would require testing of additional markers to limit the number of matches. As I tell all new contacts I'd start with 37 markers. > > If there is a project for his adoptive surname I think he should order his kit through it. There is an "Adoptees" surname project and he could join through it. They require that you start with 37 markers. Another option it to join through one of my projects and then move to the project form a matched surname if one is found. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron, > >That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that >your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two >individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. >If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the >database today, he may in the future. > >Robert Powell > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: powbak [email protected] >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA > > >I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what >his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing >would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the >computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname >group? > >Thanks you, > >Ron Powell > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fred, The following definitions are taken from FTDNA's website. Short Tandem Repeat (STR) A short DNA motif (pattern) repeated in tandem. ATGC repeated eleven times would give the marker a value or allele of 11. Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP) A change in the DNA that happens when a single nucleotide (A, T, G, or C) in the genome sequence is altered. A person has many SNPs that together create a unique DNA pattern for that individual. The test you had tested certain markers for STRs which provides the results you have seen. These results are your Haplotype. The number of markers in your Haplotype increases as you order additional markers. To determine your Haplogroup you must have a SNP test. Currently, FTDNA will predict your Haplogroup based on your Haplotype. As additional people are tested they may refine their prediction. Last fall a new Haplogroup tree was defined base on the addition of many new SNPs. It has been accepted and FTDNA is starting to use it. I have never heard of a case where two people who didn't have the same Haplogroup were related. Your Haplotype is used to help you find more recent common ancestors, within a few 100 years. Haplogroup indicates the origin of your paternal line 1,000s of years ago. Personally, I interested in who my recent ancestors were, not those from 1,000s of years ago. Now with that said, the new designations are just breaking the groups down and realigning some groups. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX "Fred, Sr." <[email protected]> wrote: >>>FTDNA will be updateing all Haplogroups as needed. This is already >>>starting to happen. I looked at one of the matches for 114577 and it is >>>being predicted to be R1b1c10 also. Jim, what do these new designations tell us lay folk? Fred

> I know absolutely nothing about alleles etc.Can you test beyond 67 markers? sylvia(james Jones)of the Gold group.I match Willie. From: linda <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/01 Thu AM 09:26:39 CDT >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >One thing that might help is location. My 2nd cousin is having his DNA tested and we want to find out our g-grandfather's surname. He was illegitimate, but we know the tiny village in England where he was born. So I'm hoping to narrow down surnames from that town to help us. We are going through the British Surname project. > >Linda Garrett > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Barrett <[email protected]> >>Sent: May 1, 2008 5:00 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >> >>Ron, >> >> I have to agree with Robert. If the birth father was from the US the chance is much better. As Robert pointed out, he may not find a match today but he might tomorrow. Results are being added that fast. >> >> The down side is that if he has a common Haplotype he may match 100's of people and many different surnames. This would require testing of additional markers to limit the number of matches. As I tell all new contacts I'd start with 37 markers. >> >> If there is a project for his adoptive surname I think he should order his kit through it. There is an "Adoptees" surname project and he could join through it. They require that you start with 37 markers. Another option it to join through one of my projects and then move to the project form a matched surname if one is found. >> >> Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX >> >>"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ron, >> >>That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that >>your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two >>individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. >>If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the >>database today, he may in the future. >> >>Robert Powell >> >>Original Message: >>----------------- >>From: powbak [email protected] >>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >> >> >>I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what >>his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing >>would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the >>computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname >>group? >> >>Thanks you, >> >>Ron Powell >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, thank you for sharing your story. I hope you do find your father. Thanks, Peggy Powell [email protected] Hornick IA Genealogist Researcher since June 1975 Charter Member of WCGS, Member, Legion Auxiliary since 1990 Member, DAR since 1986 Senior President, State Society of ISCAR Northwest District Director, ISDAR Secretary-Treasurer, Martha Washington Chapter NSDAR GRC Vice State Chairman, Iowa Society NSDAR Past GRC State Chairman, Iowa Society NSDAR Grange Township Clerk Past Senior Regional VP, Great Plains Regional N.S.C.A.R. Senior Registrar/Treasurer, Sgt Charles Floyd NSCAR grandmother of 10 8th great granddaughter, Daniel Boone family names researching Bahr, Bartz, Campbell, Craig, Crockford, Dimond, Elam, Haessel, Kearnes, Kinnamon, Lee, Lechelt, Leedom, Mayberry, McGlothlen, Peasley, Powell, Schweissberger, Sweisberger, Thiel, Thorn, Van Bibber, Young England, Ireland, Scotland, Prussia/Germany Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: "David.E Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA ** Reply Requested by 5/2/2008 (Friday) ** As one of the adopted people mentioned in the Gold group I feel as though I have something of substance to offer your friend, Ron. As I tend to forget that I'm addressing a group instead of one individual I'll keep THIS brief; this adventure, and I use the term specifically, started one summer morning in a Walmart of all places. It's been a real roller-coaster ride that isn't anywhere near finished. I was adopted at birth and have always known I was adopted and never really questioned it until an incident happened that led me to think of the other people involved. I decided I owed it to them to let them know what happened to me and that all things considered, I faired pretty well. The people that wipe the runny noses, that sit through the recitals, that bandage the knees and, occasionally dole out discipline ARE the people you call mom and dad. That's to say nothing against the people who, for many and mostly valid reasons, had to make some extremely difficult decis! ions. Decisions that, usually break one's heart. If humans were perfect we wouldn't need someone like God to look after us. We make mistakes. And mistakes of the heart are the biggest and most profound of all. It's been nearly twelve years since I started this adventure and what I've found out along the way has been enlightening, exciting, troubling and downright awe inspiring. There is still a lot to learn and I wouldn't trade ANY of it for any price. The people I've met, the acceptance offered by total strangers, the pride of knowing some of my ancestors were founding fathers of this great nation and the chance to fill in some blanks that, for one reason or another, OTHER people have wondered and been troubled about, has all been worth it. I still only know about half of the story. I've met my mother and found out that she was and is a very troubled woman. I feel I've fulfilled the obligation to her to let her know that this child fared pretty well. It was all I could do but it gave me some satisfaction and helped me to accept that it was about all I could do. The history I've learned has shed light on me and the reasons I do things sometimes. In other places it's cast sh! adows. I am and will continue to seek my father's family because one mistake or "bad apple" doesn't ruin the entire basket and I've two beautiful daughters and one (so far) granddaughter to show them. If my father is still alive and I am fortunate to meet him I will offer my forgiveness (for whatever it may be worth) and offer whatever life I and he have left. Advice offered here comes with no strings, take it or leave it; take a shot in the dark with this DNA thing. We stand at a threshold of human knowledge that is heretofore unheralded in recorded history. Thanks to DNA and some wonderful people who were willing to share what they've learned I now know more about my ancestors from 400 years ago than I know about my own father. But it was and is worth it. And if your friend manages to find a surname project that is fortunate enough to benefit from some excellent management like the Powell project then I feel like answers will eventually appear and he will be glad he took the chance. WHEW!! Okay. I said short, didn't I!? Alright, Alright, I get the message. But to be fair, my story, as well as a lot of others is a long and eventful one. This little tidbit only touches to surface. I'm happy to share with anyone who is curious about it. My story, however, is not that unigue. Many of us have similar stories and only a few find the courage to ask the questions. To give it a rest, and for what it's worth, my counsel is to "take the chance". I took the chance, found some answers, drove nearly 800 miles to meet people who had never seen me before in our lives, found acceptance and if I never find or get anything else, I'll take it gladly. It's good for the soul. If you, your friend or anyone else wants to know more about it my info appears at the bottom. Contact me off line or phone. One of these days AT&T is going to get their act straight and I'll get the home thing going. Until then.......... David (Kit #31545) (Now, what did I do with my coffee cup........?) DAVID E. SMITH TDOT/Reg #3/Right of Way/Excess Land 6601 Centennial Bvld, 2nd Floor Nashville, TN 37243 [email protected] (615) 350-4229 fax (615) 350-4291/4410 >>> Jim Barrett <[email protected]> 5/1/2008 7:00 AM >>> Ron, I have to agree with Robert. If the birth father was from the US the chance is much better. As Robert pointed out, he may not find a match today but he might tomorrow. Results are being added that fast. The down side is that if he has a common Haplotype he may match 100's of people and many different surnames. This would require testing of additional markers to limit the number of matches. As I tell all new contacts I'd start with 37 markers. If there is a project for his adoptive surname I think he should order his kit through it. There is an "Adoptees" surname project and he could join through it. They require that you start with 37 markers. Another option it to join through one of my projects and then move to the project form a matched surname if one is found. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Ron, That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the database today, he may in the future. Robert Powell Original Message: ----------------- From: powbak [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname group? Thanks you, Ron Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

** Reply Requested by 5/2/2008 (Friday) ** As one of the adopted people mentioned in the Gold group I feel as though I have something of substance to offer your friend, Ron. As I tend to forget that I'm addressing a group instead of one individual I'll keep THIS brief; this adventure, and I use the term specifically, started one summer morning in a Walmart of all places. It's been a real roller-coaster ride that isn't anywhere near finished. I was adopted at birth and have always known I was adopted and never really questioned it until an incident happened that led me to think of the other people involved. I decided I owed it to them to let them know what happened to me and that all things considered, I faired pretty well. The people that wipe the runny noses, that sit through the recitals, that bandage the knees and, occasionally dole out discipline ARE the people you call mom and dad. That's to say nothing against the people who, for many and mostly valid reasons, had to make some extremely difficult decis! ions. Decisions that, usually break one's heart. If humans were perfect we wouldn't need someone like God to look after us. We make mistakes. And mistakes of the heart are the biggest and most profound of all. It's been nearly twelve years since I started this adventure and what I've found out along the way has been enlightening, exciting, troubling and downright awe inspiring. There is still a lot to learn and I wouldn't trade ANY of it for any price. The people I've met, the acceptance offered by total strangers, the pride of knowing some of my ancestors were founding fathers of this great nation and the chance to fill in some blanks that, for one reason or another, OTHER people have wondered and been troubled about, has all been worth it. I still only know about half of the story. I've met my mother and found out that she was and is a very troubled woman. I feel I've fulfilled the obligation to her to let her know that this child fared pretty well. It was all I could do but it gave me some satisfaction and helped me to accept that it was about all I could do. The history I've learned has shed light on me and the reasons I do things sometimes. In other places it's cast sh! adows. I am and will continue to seek my father's family because one mistake or "bad apple" doesn't ruin the entire basket and I've two beautiful daughters and one (so far) granddaughter to show them. If my father is still alive and I am fortunate to meet him I will offer my forgiveness (for whatever it may be worth) and offer whatever life I and he have left. Advice offered here comes with no strings, take it or leave it; take a shot in the dark with this DNA thing. We stand at a threshold of human knowledge that is heretofore unheralded in recorded history. Thanks to DNA and some wonderful people who were willing to share what they've learned I now know more about my ancestors from 400 years ago than I know about my own father. But it was and is worth it. And if your friend manages to find a surname project that is fortunate enough to benefit from some excellent management like the Powell project then I feel like answers will eventually appear and he will be glad he took the chance. WHEW!! Okay. I said short, didn't I!? Alright, Alright, I get the message. But to be fair, my story, as well as a lot of others is a long and eventful one. This little tidbit only touches to surface. I'm happy to share with anyone who is curious about it. My story, however, is not that unigue. Many of us have similar stories and only a few find the courage to ask the questions. To give it a rest, and for what it's worth, my counsel is to "take the chance". I took the chance, found some answers, drove nearly 800 miles to meet people who had never seen me before in our lives, found acceptance and if I never find or get anything else, I'll take it gladly. It's good for the soul. If you, your friend or anyone else wants to know more about it my info appears at the bottom. Contact me off line or phone. One of these days AT&T is going to get their act straight and I'll get the home thing going. Until then.......... David (Kit #31545) (Now, what did I do with my coffee cup........?) DAVID E. SMITH TDOT/Reg #3/Right of Way/Excess Land 6601 Centennial Bvld, 2nd Floor Nashville, TN 37243 [email protected] (615) 350-4229 fax (615) 350-4291/4410 >>> Jim Barrett <[email protected]> 5/1/2008 7:00 AM >>> Ron, I have to agree with Robert. If the birth father was from the US the chance is much better. As Robert pointed out, he may not find a match today but he might tomorrow. Results are being added that fast. The down side is that if he has a common Haplotype he may match 100's of people and many different surnames. This would require testing of additional markers to limit the number of matches. As I tell all new contacts I'd start with 37 markers. If there is a project for his adoptive surname I think he should order his kit through it. There is an "Adoptees" surname project and he could join through it. They require that you start with 37 markers. Another option it to join through one of my projects and then move to the project form a matched surname if one is found. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Ron, That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the database today, he may in the future. Robert Powell Original Message: ----------------- From: powbak [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname group? Thanks you, Ron Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>>>FTDNA will be updateing all Haplogroups as needed. This is already >>>starting to happen. I looked at one of the matches for 114577 and it is >>>being predicted to be R1b1c10 also. Jim, what do these new designations tell us lay folk? Fred > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

One thing that might help is location. My 2nd cousin is having his DNA tested and we want to find out our g-grandfather's surname. He was illegitimate, but we know the tiny village in England where he was born. So I'm hoping to narrow down surnames from that town to help us. We are going through the British Surname project. Linda Garrett -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Barrett <[email protected]> >Sent: May 1, 2008 5:00 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA > >Ron, > > I have to agree with Robert. If the birth father was from the US the chance is much better. As Robert pointed out, he may not find a match today but he might tomorrow. Results are being added that fast. > > The down side is that if he has a common Haplotype he may match 100's of people and many different surnames. This would require testing of additional markers to limit the number of matches. As I tell all new contacts I'd start with 37 markers. > > If there is a project for his adoptive surname I think he should order his kit through it. There is an "Adoptees" surname project and he could join through it. They require that you start with 37 markers. Another option it to join through one of my projects and then move to the project form a matched surname if one is found. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron, > >That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that >your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two >individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. >If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the >database today, he may in the future. > >Robert Powell > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: powbak [email protected] >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA > > >I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what >his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing >would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the >computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname >group? > >Thanks you, > >Ron Powell > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Markers 13-25 have been added to kit 103902. Kit 114577 has been added with markers 1-12. This is the first new kit to have one of the new 2008 Haplogroups. He is predicted to be R1b1c10. FTDNA will be updateing all Haplogroups as needed. This is already starting to happen. I looked at one of the matches for 114577 and it is being predicted to be R1b1c10 also. Once FTDNA has had time to update everyone I'll update our website with the new Haplogroup information. http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell-surname-dna-project.htm Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX

Ron, I have to agree with Robert. If the birth father was from the US the chance is much better. As Robert pointed out, he may not find a match today but he might tomorrow. Results are being added that fast. The down side is that if he has a common Haplotype he may match 100's of people and many different surnames. This would require testing of additional markers to limit the number of matches. As I tell all new contacts I'd start with 37 markers. If there is a project for his adoptive surname I think he should order his kit through it. There is an "Adoptees" surname project and he could join through it. They require that you start with 37 markers. Another option it to join through one of my projects and then move to the project form a matched surname if one is found. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Ron, That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the database today, he may in the future. Robert Powell Original Message: ----------------- From: powbak [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname group? Thanks you, Ron Powell

Ron, That is difficult to answer. I would say there is a reasonable chance that your friend might find a surname group that matched his DNA. There are two individuals in the Powell Gold group that were fortunate enough to do that. If I was him, I would take the chance. If he doesn't find a match in the database today, he may in the future. Robert Powell Original Message: ----------------- From: powbak [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:59 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname group? Thanks you, Ron Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting

The following was copied from FTDNA's home page and was brought to my attention on another mailing list. "4/29/08 - The Family Tree DNA website will be temporarily offline for maintenance and haplogroup nomenclature updates on Monday, May 5th, at 5 am CST. Service will be restored no later than 7 am CST." Problems accessing the website has already been noticed. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX

I am inquiring on behalf of a friend who is adopted. He has no idea what his biological surname might be; however, he is curious whether DNA testing would be helpful. Is the database of generic tests large enough and is the computer capability sufficiently robust to place him in a potential surname group? Thanks you, Ron Powell