Robert and All, Nancy and I went to "NEW HANOVER COUNTRY, NC" in April. New Hanover County, NC came off of "CRAVEN COUNTY, NC" in the year 1729. New Hanover County (Wilmington) is mention in some of the court records of Craven County. Was really disappointed because a lot of records were destroyed in 1798. Was not able to help us. "BLADEN COUNTY, NC", came off of "NEW HANOVER & BATH COUNTIES, NC" in the year 1734. Suppose to have land records from 1734; NOT at the courthouse. The earliest we could find was 1784-1789. 1-William Stevens selling to Absalom Powell--1784 Witness: Reubin Stevens & Hardy Brown 2-William Stevens selling to Absalom Powell--1786 Witness: Samuel Porter & Richard Brown 3-James & Ann Gurney to Isaac Powell--1789 Witness: Barnabas Powell & John Chancey & Wm. Wilkison. Robert, you probably already know the above information. I believe they tie into your Isaac line? We are planning another trip to Raliegh, NC this summer. Maybe some of the records are there; we won't know until we try. Still looking for our needle? Nancy and Rachael (Kits 8205 & 44391) NC-1 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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He was granted a grant #20, Ninth Dist, Fourth Section, Cherokee Jan 1, 1838, Dearing Butts 103, those are my notes, at one time I had a copy of his grant. One of his sons Lucas was born 1804, VA, he is in the 1820 census, Monticello, Jasper, GA, 1830, Jasper, 1840, Dist 294, Jasper, 1850 Dist 46, Jasper, I show he died 1859, and he was born in SC Have no idea what the G stands for. Bob -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > I went through the 1820 Lottery, since I figured he signed up after > the War of 1812. I found many Johns, but no John G, Do you > have a county where he might have entered, or a county where he > got land? Some located on the land they drew, others sold the land. > I was lucky in finding an ancestor who inherited his father's draw and > sold half the land when he came of age, and located on the other half > in Pike Co. and I have traced him from there. > -------------- Original message from [email protected]: -------------- > > > > I was not one who asked about the Georgia Land Lottery, but was one who stated > > that a John G. Powell, 1775, was a lucky winner, having fought in the War of > > 1812. He died in GA about 1849 or so. Although I have attempted to link him to > > my John G. Powell, 1764, I have been unable to do so. At one time, I had some > > knowledge that he was in TN when he entered. So far as I can remember no one > > has proven that he is not related, but I could be wrong. > > > > I am Bob Powell, last person on the DNA listing. > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: [email protected] > > > > > Somewhere along the way someone asked about a Powell > > > in the Georgia Land Lottery. The Lottery is a very complicated > > > subject and I certtainly won't try to explain - I'm not a native Georgian > > > (though I live here now) and many Georgians do not know all the ins > > > and outs. However I will mention some aspects. 1. They do not > > > normally have a list of those who drew; only the "fortunate drawers". > > > 2. There were several lotteries, with different requirements for quali- > > > fying. They do not have any information on those who signed up, except > > > a note of "Rev. Sol." and the notation of "orphan" or "Widow". > > > And there lots of Powells in there. I have lost my note on the name > > > of the Powell being asked about! Terrible note-keeping system! So > > > please ask again, whoever you are and I will try to help. The Library > > > in Macon has much information and I am only 15 mi. from there. > > > -------------- Original message from Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels > > > : -------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and > other > > > > information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, > all > > > at > > > > the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from > > > > national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo > let > > > me > > > > write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell > family.. > > :) > > > > > > > > My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd > Eugene > > > > Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My > > > > grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our > > relations > > > > and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, > > my > > > > great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a > > birth > > > > certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a > father > > > > (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according > to > > > > some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from > > > here > > > > on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not > > > tell > > > > us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) > my > > > > oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida > > > Seminoles. > > > > His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped > > > > perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! > > > > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this > is > > > > clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story > > > sounds > > > > familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. > > PLEASE, > > > > give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > > > > > > > > Thank You muchly, > > > > > > > > Jessica Powell > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > In a rush? 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I went through the 1820 Lottery, since I figured he signed up after the War of 1812. I found many Johns, but no John G, Do you have a county where he might have entered, or a county where he got land? Some located on the land they drew, others sold the land. I was lucky in finding an ancestor who inherited his father's draw and sold half the land when he came of age, and located on the other half in Pike Co. and I have traced him from there. -------------- Original message from [email protected]: -------------- > I was not one who asked about the Georgia Land Lottery, but was one who stated > that a John G. Powell, 1775, was a lucky winner, having fought in the War of > 1812. He died in GA about 1849 or so. Although I have attempted to link him to > my John G. Powell, 1764, I have been unable to do so. At one time, I had some > knowledge that he was in TN when he entered. So far as I can remember no one > has proven that he is not related, but I could be wrong. > > I am Bob Powell, last person on the DNA listing. > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: [email protected] > > > Somewhere along the way someone asked about a Powell > > in the Georgia Land Lottery. The Lottery is a very complicated > > subject and I certtainly won't try to explain - I'm not a native Georgian > > (though I live here now) and many Georgians do not know all the ins > > and outs. However I will mention some aspects. 1. They do not > > normally have a list of those who drew; only the "fortunate drawers". > > 2. There were several lotteries, with different requirements for quali- > > fying. They do not have any information on those who signed up, except > > a note of "Rev. Sol." and the notation of "orphan" or "Widow". > > And there lots of Powells in there. I have lost my note on the name > > of the Powell being asked about! Terrible note-keeping system! So > > please ask again, whoever you are and I will try to help. The Library > > in Macon has much information and I am only 15 mi. from there. > > -------------- Original message from Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels > > : -------------- > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other > > > information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all > > at > > > the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from > > > national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let > > me > > > write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. > :) > > > > > > My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene > > > Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My > > > grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our > relations > > > and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, > my > > > great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a > birth > > > certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father > > > (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to > > > some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from > > here > > > on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not > > tell > > > us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my > > > oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida > > Seminoles. > > > His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped > > > perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! > > > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is > > > clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story > > sounds > > > familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. > PLEASE, > > > give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > > > > > > Thank You muchly, > > > > > > Jessica Powell > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > > > > > > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_rea > > > ltime_042008 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I was not one who asked about the Georgia Land Lottery, but was one who stated that a John G. Powell, 1775, was a lucky winner, having fought in the War of 1812. He died in GA about 1849 or so. Although I have attempted to link him to my John G. Powell, 1764, I have been unable to do so. At one time, I had some knowledge that he was in TN when he entered. So far as I can remember no one has proven that he is not related, but I could be wrong. I am Bob Powell, last person on the DNA listing. -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > Somewhere along the way someone asked about a Powell > in the Georgia Land Lottery. The Lottery is a very complicated > subject and I certtainly won't try to explain - I'm not a native Georgian > (though I live here now) and many Georgians do not know all the ins > and outs. However I will mention some aspects. 1. They do not > normally have a list of those who drew; only the "fortunate drawers". > 2. There were several lotteries, with different requirements for quali- > fying. They do not have any information on those who signed up, except > a note of "Rev. Sol." and the notation of "orphan" or "Widow". > And there lots of Powells in there. I have lost my note on the name > of the Powell being asked about! Terrible note-keeping system! So > please ask again, whoever you are and I will try to help. The Library > in Macon has much information and I am only 15 mi. from there. > -------------- Original message from Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels > : -------------- > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other > > information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all > at > > the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from > > national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let > me > > write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) > > > > My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene > > Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My > > grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations > > and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my > > great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth > > certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father > > (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to > > some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from > here > > on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not > tell > > us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my > > oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida > Seminoles. > > His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped > > perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! > > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is > > clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story > sounds > > familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, > > give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > > > > Thank You muchly, > > > > Jessica Powell > > _________________________________________________________________ > > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > > > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_rea > > ltime_042008 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Somewhere along the way someone asked about a Powell in the Georgia Land Lottery. The Lottery is a very complicated subject and I certtainly won't try to explain - I'm not a native Georgian (though I live here now) and many Georgians do not know all the ins and outs. However I will mention some aspects. 1. They do not normally have a list of those who drew; only the "fortunate drawers". 2. There were several lotteries, with different requirements for quali- fying. They do not have any information on those who signed up, except a note of "Rev. Sol." and the notation of "orphan" or "Widow". And there lots of Powells in there. I have lost my note on the name of the Powell being asked about! Terrible note-keeping system! So please ask again, whoever you are and I will try to help. The Library in Macon has much information and I am only 15 mi. from there. -------------- Original message from Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels <[email protected]>: -------------- > > Hello Everyone, > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other > information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at > the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from > national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me > write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) > > My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene > Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My > grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations > and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my > great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth > certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father > (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to > some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from here > on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not tell > us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my > oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida Seminoles. > His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped > perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is > clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story sounds > familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, > give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > > Thank You muchly, > > Jessica Powell > _________________________________________________________________ > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_rea > ltime_042008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

If you are interested in information on Osceola's ancestry, you may want to read Osceola's Legacy by Patricia R. Wickman. She is a Florida historian and former Senior Curator for the State of Florida. She is Director of the Department of Anthropology & Genealogy for the Seminole Tribe of Florida. In her book, she states that in 1813, William Powell took his family southward out of Alabama. He and one of his daughters by his first marriage settled in Georgia. Billy Powell (Osceola), his mother (William Powell's second wife), and possibly a second daughter of William Powell's by his first wife went to Florida. In 1836, William Powell and his daughter migrated to the western Indian territories. There is no indication that Osceola ever went to the west. Osceola died on 30 January 1838 at Fort Moultrie, South Carolina at approximate age 34. He probably had a wife and children, but there is no data listed. Your ancestry could come from William Powell, if he took another wife in the west. Mary Esther (Powell) Raker

Jim, Your dedication and knowledge is unbelievable.Thanks again from all of us in search of our beginnings.sylvia jones ferriter .kit 36906 >From: Jim Barrett <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/04 Sun AM 08:24:50 CDT >To: BARRETT-DNA-L <[email protected]>, POWELL-DNA-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [POWELL-DNA] 2008 Haplogroup Tree >The following message was sent to Family Tree DNA Group Administrators by Bennett Greenspan, President and CEO of FTDNA. GAP refers to the Group Administrators Pages which is a website set up for each project's administrator(s). > > I suggest you visit the FQA link provided and if you want to see the new tree or compare the new tree to the old tree you'll find links to both on that page. The amount of change between the 2005 tree and the 2008 tree just enforces the idea that we are on the leading edge of genetic genealogy. > > "Recently, researchers led by Dr. Hammer published the newly updated Y chromosome haplogroup tree in Genome Research. On Monday, May 5th, Family Tree DNA will update its haplogroup nomenclature to match that recommended by this publication, as well as all pages that contain haplogroups. This includes your project's public website if you use Family Tree DNA's cookie cutter website tool, your GAP/Generate results pages, and each of your participants' haplogroup pages. > While the name of the haplogroup a person belongs to may change, and will continue to change as more haplogroup branches are discovered and published, their actual DNA testing results and interpretation remain the same. The next issue of our newsletter, Facts and Genes, will discuss these changes in more depth and should help your participants better understand the changes to the Y-DNA haplogroup tree. > The Family Tree DNA website will be temporarily offline on Monday, May 5th, at 5 am CDT to facilitate this update in nomenclature and other maintenance. Service will be restored no later than 7 am CDT that day. Ysearch.org, our free publicly accessible website, will be offline and updated simultaneously. > If you would like more information about why the haplogroup nomenclature is changing and what this means to you, please visit the FAQ site below: > Y-DNA Haplogroup Nomenclature FAQ > Family Tree DNA" > > Thanks. > > Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following message was sent to Family Tree DNA Group Administrators by Bennett Greenspan, President and CEO of FTDNA. GAP refers to the Group Administrators Pages which is a website set up for each project's administrator(s). I suggest you visit the FQA link provided and if you want to see the new tree or compare the new tree to the old tree you'll find links to both on that page. The amount of change between the 2005 tree and the 2008 tree just enforces the idea that we are on the leading edge of genetic genealogy. "Recently, researchers led by Dr. Hammer published the newly updated Y chromosome haplogroup tree in Genome Research. On Monday, May 5th, Family Tree DNA will update its haplogroup nomenclature to match that recommended by this publication, as well as all pages that contain haplogroups. This includes your project's public website if you use Family Tree DNA's cookie cutter website tool, your GAP/Generate results pages, and each of your participants' haplogroup pages. While the name of the haplogroup a person belongs to may change, and will continue to change as more haplogroup branches are discovered and published, their actual DNA testing results and interpretation remain the same. The next issue of our newsletter, Facts and Genes, will discuss these changes in more depth and should help your participants better understand the changes to the Y-DNA haplogroup tree. The Family Tree DNA website will be temporarily offline on Monday, May 5th, at 5 am CDT to facilitate this update in nomenclature and other maintenance. Service will be restored no later than 7 am CDT that day. Ysearch.org, our free publicly accessible website, will be offline and updated simultaneously. If you would like more information about why the haplogroup nomenclature is changing and what this means to you, please visit the FAQ site below: Y-DNA Haplogroup Nomenclature FAQ Family Tree DNA" Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX

Hi, As I mentioned, my grandfather's were extremely secretive. There are far and few between death and birth certificates for my family. The evidence I do have was my grandfather's last oral history. He recorded for the family, our ancestory. In it he describes our families persecution and attempted extermination by the government. He also said that we were descendents of Osceola. He would be my great-great-great-great-great grandfather. I have no records or actual written documentation. My family has been trying to ascertain how much recording there was. My great grandfather lived in OK, and was supposed to live on the reservation. However, he chose to take his family (as his father's people before him) and live in the mountains. Sooo, like I said, there is very few documentation. Sorry, I couldn't be a further help. Jessica> > Re: the statement about Osceola being an ancestor -could> you share your proof (documentation) of that, and, please,> other Indian information. It could help me sort out my sup-> posed Indian ancestry. Thanks for any help.> -------------- Original message from "David.E Smith" <[email protected]>: -------------- > > > > ** Reply Requested by 5/3/2008 (Saturday) ** > > > > Boy, > > and I thought I was unraveling a puzzle! Keep digging. David > > > > DAVID E. SMITH > > TDOT/Reg #3/Right of Way/Excess Land > > 6601 Centennial Bvld, 2nd Floor > > Nashville, TN 37243 > > [email protected] > > (615) 350-4229 > > fax (615) 350-4291/4410 > > > > > > >>> Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels 5/1/2008 9:27 PM >>> > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other > > information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at > > the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from > > national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me > > write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) > > > > My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene > > Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My > > grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations > > and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my > > great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth > > certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father > > (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to > > some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from here > > on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not tell > > us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my > > oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida Seminoles. > > His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped > > perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! > > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is > > clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story sounds > > familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, > > give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > > > > Thank You muchly, > > > > Jessica Powell > > _________________________________________________________________ > > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_rea > > ltime_042008 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED™ Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008

Re: the statement about Osceola being an ancestor -could you share your proof (documentation) of that, and, please, other Indian information. It could help me sort out my sup- posed Indian ancestry. Thanks for any help. -------------- Original message from "David.E Smith" <[email protected]>: -------------- > ** Reply Requested by 5/3/2008 (Saturday) ** > > Boy, > and I thought I was unraveling a puzzle! Keep digging. David > > DAVID E. SMITH > TDOT/Reg #3/Right of Way/Excess Land > 6601 Centennial Bvld, 2nd Floor > Nashville, TN 37243 > [email protected] > (615) 350-4229 > fax (615) 350-4291/4410 > > > >>> Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels 5/1/2008 9:27 PM >>> > > Hello Everyone, > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other > information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at > the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from > national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me > write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) > > My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene > Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My > grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations > and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my > great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth > certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father > (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to > some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from here > on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not tell > us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my > oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida Seminoles. > His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped > perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is > clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story sounds > familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, > give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > > Thank You muchly, > > Jessica Powell > _________________________________________________________________ > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_rea > ltime_042008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, still not sure I get it, but thanks for the info. I did not know haplogroup and haplotype differed. Thanks. Fred > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, sylvia >From: Linda Threadgill <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/02 Fri PM 12:36:32 CDT >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Osceola.. and Murky Water >Hi, >What you could do is an admixture test which will tell you what >percentage of various ethnic genes you carry. It is offered at >www.ancestrybydna.com and is priced at around $250.00, The kit you >would need is Ancestry by DNA 2.5. The problem with this is that you may >not have received any portion of NA genes from your ancestors, but it >worked for my husband. DNA tribes does a similar test, but I can't vouch >for them as a company. > >Linda > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a lot of information - or should I say lore - about Powells and Osceola and other Indians. I have tried to sort through it, since I have been told I am 10% American Indian. So far no documentation other than DNA (female). -------------- Original message from Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels <[email protected]>: -------------- > > Hello Everyone, > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other > information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at > the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from > national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me > write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) > > My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene > Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My > grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations > and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my > great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth > certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father > (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to > some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from here > on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not tell > us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my > oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida Seminoles. > His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped > perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is > clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story sounds > familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, > give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > > Thank You muchly, > > Jessica Powell > _________________________________________________________________ > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_rea > ltime_042008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

** Reply Requested by 5/3/2008 (Saturday) ** Boy, and I thought I was unraveling a puzzle! Keep digging. David DAVID E. SMITH TDOT/Reg #3/Right of Way/Excess Land 6601 Centennial Bvld, 2nd Floor Nashville, TN 37243 [email protected] (615) 350-4229 fax (615) 350-4291/4410 >>> Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels <[email protected]> 5/1/2008 9:27 PM >>> Hello Everyone, I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from here on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not tell us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida Seminoles. His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William ! Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story sounds familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, give me a holler, I'd appreciate. Thank You muchly, Jessica Powell _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, What you could do is an admixture test which will tell you what percentage of various ethnic genes you carry. It is offered at www.ancestrybydna.com and is priced at around $250.00, The kit you would need is Ancestry by DNA 2.5. The problem with this is that you may not have received any portion of NA genes from your ancestors, but it worked for my husband. DNA tribes does a similar test, but I can't vouch for them as a company. Linda

>jessica, I AM AN ILLIGETIMATE POWELL.MY GREAT GRANDFATHER IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GAINER pOWELL .ON MY FATHERS MOTHERS SIDE WE ARE RELATED TO BILLY mcintosh a half breed creek chief from the 1800s.im curious,when i called about testing for native american ancestory,i was told it was very unreliable (Familytreedna.com)We have documented it but would be good to get dna validation.i dont think its possible because it would be my paternal(grandfathers wifes side)i can only do my mothers mother etc.I knew there were Irish that fled to us because there was a price on their head so they falsified names etc. but i was not aware of any welch or english problem.This is very interesting. sylvia ferriter James Jones kit 36906 From: Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels <[email protected]> >Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 09:27:31 CDT >To: [email protected] >Subject: [POWELL-DNA] Osceola.. and Murky Water > >Hello Everyone, > > I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) > >My father is Billy Gene Powell. Is father (my grandfather) is Hanfurd Eugene Powell. My grandfather is Jimmie Powell from Arkansas (we believe). My grandfather and great-grandfather were terribly secretive about our relations and ancestory. (We had some issue with the government). So. On the census, my great-grandfather denied having children (my grandfather does not have a birth certificate) therefore we cannot actually prove my grandfather has a father (anyone else confused yet?). My Great-great-grandfather's name (according to some) was James Powell, Arkansas also. However, the water get's murky from here on out (like it wasn't already).. According to my grandfather (who did not tell us when he was alive, but left us a recording----serious secretiveness..) my oldest ancestor was actually Osceola, or Billy Powell of the Florida Seminoles. His father was William Stewart (of the England Stewarts.. and escaped perscuetion fled to the U.S. and changed his name to William! ! > Powell). Soooo... I'm a historian (graduated and by profession) and this is clearly murky water.. However, if there are any Powell's that this story sounds familiar and or if you have dates, names or times that may correlate.. PLEASE, give me a holler, I'd appreciate. > >Thank You muchly, > >Jessica Powell >_________________________________________________________________ >In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. >http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

THANKS AGAIN. >From: [email protected] >Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 04:15:24 CDT >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA >thanks > > > > >>From: Jim Barrett <[email protected]> >>Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 01:14:04 CDT >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [POWELL-DNA] Adoption and DNA > >>Some places to look for additional information: >> http://www.familytreedna.com/GLOSSARY.HTML >> http://www.familytreedna.com/dna101.html follow some of their links >> Consider buying a book - http://www.familytreedna.com/books.html - I think Trace Your Roots with DNA : Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree >>by Megan Smolenyak, Ann Turner is a good place to start. >> >> I like pictures also. This is an example of DYS393 and shows 15 repeats (alleles) >> http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/marker_details.jspx?marker=DYS393 >> >> Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX >> >>[email protected] wrote: >> > >>I know absolutely nothing about alleles etc.Can you test beyond 67 markers? sylvia(james Jones)of the Gold group.I match Willie. >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Markers 13 - 37 have been added to kit 114577. http://www.flash.net/~parino/powell-surname-dna-project.htm Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX - [email protected] Barrett Surname DNA - http://www.flash.net/~parino/barrett-family-dna-project.htm Powell Surname DNA - http://www.flash.net/~parino/powell-surname-dna-project.htm

Jessica, Most of the people in the project ordered their tests directly from FTDNA. If you look at our website you'll see most kit number start with a number which means they joined through FTDNA. Those who joined through the Genographic Project have a kit number starting with "N". I looked at your FTDNA database matches and see that you have 466 12 marker matches. That is a lot, but is common to many of the Powells. You have a very common 12 marker Haplotype. The good news is that you have 7 exact 12 marker matches with other members of the Powell project. The sad thing is that of your 7 Powell matches several only have 12 markers reported. The only way to receive the true value of Y-DNA testing is to have enough markers to eliminate those people you aren't kin to. I hope you and others in the group who have stopped with 12 markers will consider upgrading. If you have questions about DNA testing or our project please ask. That is what the list is for. Thanks. Jim Barrett - Timpson, TX Jecca Pow-Pow Wheels <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Everyone, I am new to this group and have several questions. First, the DNA and other information is either over my head or I simply cannot grasp all of this, all at the same time.. :) Secondly, I joined this group via the geno project from national geographic (which I think most everyone else did?).. Okay.. soo let me write here about why this project is important to me and my Powell family.. :) Thank You muchly, Jessica Powell _________________________________________________________________