This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cccpbigdaddy5000 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.powell/1335.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I believe that the son of John Powell and Ann Havard, John Jr. DID NOT die in 1723. Most testimonies of this circumstance were recorded many, many years after 1723 and the statement was simply duplicated again and again. There is much compelling evidence to support this and here are 10 facts why: 1) Ann Havard (in 1723 her name was Ann Pugh per her second marriage to David Pugh) stated, likely aware her illness would result in her fatality, that her concern was for the disposition of her SEVEN children in her will. "Seven" children indicated that John Jr. was still alive at the time of her death. http://www.deldot.gov/archaeology/whitehart_powell/pdf/site_histories.pdf 2) If John Jr. was born in 1706 as most people researching him agree, he would have been 16 or 17 at the time, thus making him old enough to decide his own disposition at the time therefore not necessary for his mother to make that decision for him. 3) There was another John Powell in Chester County Pennsylvania, the son of another John Powell and his wife Elizabeth Taylor who died in 1723. Again, I want to reiterate many of these recordings were written many years after the fact further confusing names and events. 4) John Jr.'s brother, David Powell died in 1723 lending to even more room for confusion. 5) William Powell Sr., the first purchaser died in 1721. John Powell {Jr.} is said to have taken charge of the ferry in later years, but it is explained here that the ferry operation was transferred to a new owner after the death of William Jr in 1732. (In a 1903 issue of West Philadelphia Illustrated) Entirely possible and likely that John Jr. decided to go with his Uncle William and Grandfather, William Powell Sr. and join in the family business when he left Tower Hill and his stepfather David Pugh in 1723 at the death of his mother. 6) This John Powell Jr. is likely the same John Powell who was an under sheriff of Lancaster County, PA circa 1735-1736, when Robert Buchanan, the Sheriff, was attacked and beaten (part of the border dispute with settlers who claimed land under Maryland rather than Pennsylvania, before the Mason-Dixon line was surveyed). John Powell gave a deposition concerning the event. Thus, this John Powell was in Lancaster at a fairly early date. { General Index To The Colonial Records By Pennsylvania. Provincial Council, Samuel Hazard, Pennsylvania. Committee of Safety, 1775-1776 Page 304} ... "Powell, John, &c, petition against another ferry on Schuylkill, ii., 277. Ferry not granted, 289. Under Sheriff of Lancaster coun- ty, deposition, attack on High Sheriff Buchanan by persons from Maryland, iii., 612. " 7) There has been some speculation that 'John Jr.' was actually the son of William Powell Jr. who died in 1732. This simply cannot be because William Powell Jr. didn't marry his first wife Elizabeth Kelley until 1700 which would make John Jr. too young and there is absolutely no record of William Powell Jr. and his second wife Sarah Armitt ever having a son named John; or even William Jr. and Elizabeth Kelley having ANY children. 8) To answer concerns how John Jr.'s line continues, I believe he was the father of Malachi Powell born in Pennsylvania in 1741. (HISTORICAL, BIOGRAPHICAL AND GENEALOGICAL. YOL. II. 1887. TSTn. 5~NOTES AND QUERIES Historical, Biographical and Genealogical. CLXVI.)...." Both Malachi and William Powell resided iu Upper Paxtang township, now Danphin county, in 1780. For this family are named Powell's Valley and Powell's creek. The original settler John Powell, tavern keeper of Paxtang died in 1748. leaving a wife Margaret, a daughter Nancy and several other children. Thomas McKee and John Allison were executors ot bis estate".... There was a tavern is known to have been located by the 'Upper Ferry' on the Schuylkill established by William Powell Sr. Certainly it is not unthinkable that John Jr. would have gained some experience there enabling him to run the tavern located in Paxtang. 9) {Pennsyvania Achrives Thrid Series, EDITED BY WILLIAM HENRY HOLE, M. D. HARRISBURG: Clarence M. Busch, State Printer. 1894) ...." Alex'r McMunn J. On Caveat. Malachi & Jno. Powell | {I'm sure that was supposed to be recorded and written as Malachi & John Powell} & Hugh McDonald. On hearing Shitler and McMunn, and inspecting the Papers of Powell, sent to the board, It appears that the improvement made by Peter Graham under which Shitler claimed was made by Graham as a Tenant to William Powell, the Father of John Powell {assumed, more probable his uncle} who has a Warrant and Survey, and hath continued the improvements. That McMunn hath also a Warrant and Survey and hath made considerable improvements. Therefore it is the Opinion of the Board, that Shitlers Warrant ought not to be executed on any lands within the Surveys of Powell, McMunn and McDonald"........This clearly illustrates John {John Jr.} and Malachi were father and son. 10) John Powell Jr. was married to Margaret Walton. There son Malachi named the first two of his nine children John and Margaret If anyone can add proof to this OR disprove it, please post it, I'm only interested in the truth Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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