There appears to be some solid evidence that some of the individuals in the pedgigree were fictitious, others real people. Evidence has been presented that one of the co-called nobles in the pedigree was actually a stableman instead in his "real life". One researcher, apparently quite accomplished, found that a parent and child in the pedigree were indeed real people, but their factual lives were separated by almost two centuries and obviously couldn't have been parent/child. I think the huge gaping hole in the pedigree has been known for quite a while, even before it became common knowledge that the rest of the pedigree was a sham. Apparently many researchers thought it was all real and simply had a "problem area" needing more work to get it all perfect. It all could be worse. If we all had found that the Poschets had been our ancestors, we would've had a mess to clean up. I'm kind of glad those folks aren't our Posey ancestors. With so much intentional fraud to recreate identities, I doubt if the true story of these folks can be found! Posted by: Shirley Date: August 01, 2000 at 08:09:44 In Reply to: Re: Poschet Vaux Cambrai 1500 by Michael Allison of 1264 As always, very good points you bring out. Shirley