In a message dated 5/11/00 2:39:18 PM Central Daylight Time, Tashmoo@earthlink.net writes: << My name is Meg Posey and I am trying to find out about my great-grandfather's family. He was James Augustus Posey, a contractor or stonemason, born about 1855 in Jefferson County, AL., married Mary Blanche Stone, son Carl Alfred Posey b. 1906. There are rumors in my family that James' father was Gen. Carnot Posey of the Confederates but I have not found one single iota of evidence to bear that out. >> I doubt that your great-grandfather James was Gen. Carnot Posey's son. I am descended from Carnot's sister, Evaline Posey Connell. I have a book about the family written in 1901. His children that I have listed, were all born in Mississippi: Carnot Posey b. 1818 d.1863 With wife #1, Mary Collins: Stanhope Posey b.1841 Jefferson Posey b.1843 with wife #2, Jane White: Gordon Posey b.1850 John Thomas Posey, b.1852 Sanders Mason Posey b.1854 Ellen Agnes Posey b.1855 Maria Elizabeth Posey b 1858 Carnot Posey b. 1859 BTW... Carnot's house is still standing in Woodville, MS. He is buried at a cemetery at the Univ. of Virginia. His father was Judge John Brooks Posey (b.1784 d. 1838; married to Elizabeth Screven)...and I would love to find out who HIS father was. My book says Gen Posey of Orange Co, VA, but I have been told that is wrong. I think John Brooks Posey was from Georgia, and maybe a cousin of Gen Thomas Posey. Leslie

Rick Saunders has recently researched my Posey family and many of the Poseys were Pasey in the 1850 Census of Wilson County, TN. I'm still hoping to hear from those that might be related to Benjamin W. b. 1855, Benjamin S. son of Alexander Posey, all in Wilson County, TN. Our line goes back to Francis Posey Charles Co., MD. Sara Posey Medley Michael Allison wrote: > RCFamHist@aol.com wrote: > > > Well, I don't know if the name has been anything but Posey, but I always try > > to check Pasey (and variations) in indexes. I have found it misspelled > > before in indexes. > > > > Rebecca Christensen > > > > > > Who was it that said the name wasn't Posey, but PASEY? I've looked for > > > > Pasey with some of the same connections, but so far haven't found any. > > > > > Rick Saunders has found a family by that spelling, or at least a spelling > similar to it, in English records. And since the only record we have suggesting > or hinting of origins prior to life in Maryland is the vague notation that he > arrived on a ship bound out from England, that would no doubt be the logical > place to start looking. Since there isn't a single record suggesting that > Francis Posey came from France, then France would be about the least logical > place to begin. > Michael

I found this marriage listed in a book while searching other surnames. I hope it will help someone. Rebeccca Christensen Marriage Records of Itawamba County, Mississippi, 1837-1866, compiled by Betty Ann Burton Cruber, 1973, Milestone Press, Memphis, TN. p. 65 Book 5 p. 368 Posey, Amanda and C. A. Ray Apr. 7, 1864

Hi, Noticed the name "Sallie Johnson" in your posting. I am looking for my grandmother, Sallie Fannie Johnson, who was born Aug. 18, 1872; died July 22, 1932. Do you have any other info on Sallie Johnson? Thanks, Linda LBoggs1222@aol.com

I am looking for info re a Ceberry or Seberry POSEY who married an R. S. PILES/PYLES in 1857. 1860 Shelby Co., AL., census shows Ceberry (21) next door to Stephen (50) and Sallie POSEY who are next door to George POSEY (56) and Matilda. Also seeking information re a Mary Ann POSEY, b 15 Dec 1809. Any leads/suggestions appreciated. Thanks! Carolyn in Alabama

In a message dated 5/15/2000 7:51:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fzsaund@ix.netcom.com writes: > The ca.1615 birth commonly given for Francis probably originates from EMISON' > s book. He stated that Francis was transported in 1636 by William FERRAR, Sr. > Unless he saw some record (which he does not cite) that noone else has, > then he got the year wrong by one year from when transportation was claimed. > He probably assumed Francis was at least 21, thus the ca. 1615 date that many > people list. > How do we know that the transportation took place in 1636? In my research into other very early VA families, I have run across some of the names mentioned in the FERRAR headright grant. That may have been a coincidence, or the names I saw may have been relatives of those transported, etc. But some of them seem to have been in VA in the early 1630s, and I know I've read at least one message from someone who said that some of those folks were on the 1626 "census" (perhaps they mean the list of survivors of the 1623/24 massacre?) As I mentioned, the extracted parish records and christening records of several churches in England contain the name of Francis PEWSEY and Francis PEWSIE. If William FERRAR really did "recruit" immigrants from his associates in London, then that is the best place to start. But we shouldn't rule out extended family and business connections. These folks, especially the merchant and gentry classes, "got around" and so wider nets must be cast at times. Vickie Elam White

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F9CD2277AA429FB03637F305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------F9CD2277AA429FB03637F305 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3920C45D.ED2396D0@jps.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:45:33 -0700 From: "Rita F. Silva" <truffle@jps.net> X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; html=0; linewidth=0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: POSEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Francis Posey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if I am the only one to bring this up or not, but I have also heard the name Cuthbert Fenwick associated with the transportation of Francis Posey to America. Also, in her book POSYES' TREASURE CHEST, Dorothy Posey Johnson on page 122 states "Elizabeth came as an indentured servant with Cuthbert Flynwick (New spelling) or as a bonded servant purchased by Cuthbert Flynwick. Francis Posey transported by william Farrar c. 1637. Farrar transported at his own costs 40 persons. Among them we find an Elizabeth Foster, future wife of F. Posey. Note: Foster, Eliza n.a. Va. 1637 listed on the Passenger & immigration Indes at Library.". Where she got this information, I don't know but I have always entended to pursue it at some time. Rita F. (Posey) Silva truffle@jps.net --------------F9CD2277AA429FB03637F305--

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Michelle: I am interested in a copy of the pictures that you have of Burlain Hall. Rita F. (Posey) Silva truffle@jps.net RobertUle@aol.com wrote: > I get the Posey line in digest form and I should note that it is helpful if > you don't include the entire message in your reply--I had to page through > quite a bit of information I had already read in another digest! > > That being said, I have a couple comments. > > Comment #1 > Burlain's Hall was still standing and in good shape when I visited it in > 1997. It is off Highway 3, a couple miles north of the Governor Nice bridge > from Virginia. The home is in private, non-Posey descendent hands, off the > road, and the woman owner was kind enough to let me take some pictures but > understandably reluctant to get involved in any more conversation (even when > I pointed out my Hawaiian license plates on the car to demonstrate the > distance I had come and she saw I was a dull looking middle aged woman > travelling with five children). > > The house has a sign at the property line naming it "Burlain's Hall 1650". > Francis Posey is believed to have died by 1654. The original house is small > and steep roofed. It was one room wide. The house has been added to several > times in the intervening 350 years. No surprise there! A former owner wrote > a lengthy paper about the house and it's history, including maps and deed > information. The paper is available to be read AT the Charles County > Community College Library. They will NOT, however, copy it and mail to to > interested people, even for a fee. Or at least they would not do that > several years ago when I asked for it! I've not read the paper for that > reason, though I'd like to (and if anyone gets over there to copy it, please > contact me!). > > I have photographs I can forward if anyone would like to see the house. > Please contact ME, not the Posey line, at Robertule@aol.com. > > Comment #2 > > Rick Sander's web page is excellent for discussions of the early Posey > history. After going through it with him several times, I rewrote the first > part of my lengthy Posey paper and now believe Francis Posey had only two > children and that my ancestor Benjamin was Francis' grandson. (Rather than > the son James Emison postulated him to be a half century ago, though to > Emison's credit, he did acknowledge he wasn't sure where Benjamin belonged in > the family tree). > > I'd like to add Rick is a professional genealogist and extremely thorough in > his work. > > Comment #3 > > Rootsweb has interactive archives which are wonderful and enable us to go > through former discussions. If you check out the site: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > and type in the Posey surname, you have access to all our discussions over > the last four years. In early January 1999, there was a great deal of > conversation about the false research Michael Allison had unearthed about the > Poschet name. Though, now that I think about it, that may have been on the > Charles County, MD line--the search address for that is MDCHARLE--. Either > one, there are pages of discussion which any Posey descendant ought to > review. I threw out my European Posey information after reading through the > posted information. I love Noland Bolling's books, but I felt enough people > have left the inaccurate trail out there, I did not need to include it in my > own research other than in an endnote. > > Comment #4 > > I spoke with Noland Bolling's intelligent and helpful daughter Sara Holland, > several years ago (she was in her late 80's herself!) and she did not know > what had become of her mother's research notes. A real pity. Noland lived > to be 107, so we probably all should hope we have some of those genes! > > Comment #5 > > The Abbeville Co., SC Poseys during the Revolutionary War era came off the > Charles County line. According to James Emison (p. 64), Richard Vernon Posey > (1745-1794) moved to Abbeville County in 1791. He was the youngest son of > Francis and Ann Posey (Francis the son of Benjamin and Mary Bayne? Belaine > Posey). > > Comment #6 > > I come from Anderson County, TX Poseys who got there about 1850. We descend > from Bennett Posey (1762-1832) who with his brother Benjamin, sold off the > Posey family property (including Burlain's Hall) just after the Revolutionary > War and moved to Halifax County, VA, thence to Greene County, GA. > > Comment #7 > > To sneak in my own request at the end--does any one have anything new about > Moses Hobart (1709-1774;second husband of Patience Bateman Posey, wife of, > who else? Benjamin Posey? Moses also was the father of Elizabeth Hobart who > married , who else?, Benjamin Posey and they were the parents of the > aforementioned Bennett and Benjamin Posey who moved south.). Moses probably > was the Moses Hubbud who married Sarah Lowry in 1727 Stafford County, VA. > (Mrs. Mary Bayne? Belaine Posey, from an earlier generation, see above, > married a John Miller of Stafford County, VA for her third husband. Could > there be a Stafford County connection there?) > > That's all from me! > > Michelle Ule > Robertule@aol.com > Ukiah, CA > > Francis and Elizabeth (no maiden name known) > John and Susanna (no maiden name known--sorry Belaine fans, Rick explains why) > Benjamin and Mary (Bayne? Belaine for first husband) > Benjamin and Patience (Bateman) > Bennett and Elizabeth (Hobart) > Bennett and Nancy (Griffin, first husband's name) > James and Jane (Ford? Does anyone really know?) > Bennett and Sallie (Williamson) > Sarah Posey and Ballard Duval > Ballard Bennett Duval and Permelia (Hanks. See why Bennett became a marker > name for me?) > Ballard Duval and Rhoda > Bennett Duval and Jeanette > Me > and a couple more Bennetts in the next generation!

Ginnie, > this makes lots of sense since many huguenots took off from France at > that time and landed in England. Enjoyed your article. Thanks. The search continues! Vickie Elam White

Vickie, The ca.1615 birth commonly given for Francis probably originates from EMISON's book. He stated that Francis was transported in 1636 by William FERRAR, Sr. Unless he saw some record (which he does not cite) that noone else has, then he got the year wrong by one year from when transportation was claimed. He probably assumed Francis was at least 21, thus the ca. 1615 date that many people list. I have never seen any court records where Francis gave an age, or passenger list giving an age. Rick Saunders

Vicki, this makes lots of sense since many huguenots took off from France at that time and landed in England. Enjoyed your article......Ginnie

Michelle Ule wrote -- > He married Cecily Jordon of Jordon's Journey Forgot to mention this: Cecily was the widow of Samuel JORDAN, who died in March 1623. From what I've read, her maiden name is unknown at this time. Vickie Elam White

In a message dated 5/15/2000 10:13:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RobertUle@aol.com writes: > It was their son, William Jr., who transported Francis Posey and others to > VA, but it all happened about the time his father died. How old would young > William have been? 12? Probably the credit for transportation was given to > him since his father may have died while the boat was in transit (Michelle's > interpretation). Maybe Shirley can check her notes further, I'm working off > notes I found in the Sutro Library in a book called "The Farrars" (p. 14). Hmmm, this gets curiouser and curiouser. I have seen several references on this list and in the POSEY Genforum site that William Jr. was a minor in 1637. However, I looked at an abstract of the headright grant today in __Early Virginia Families Along the James River: Henrico County - Goochland County__ by Louise Pledge Heath Foley (pg. 6). It makes no mention of William being a minor, only that he was son and heir of William Sr. who was deceased. Francis POSEY's name was spelled just that way. Since Henrico Co. and that area had such a large French Huguenot presence, I wouldn't be surprised if Francis really was French but had been raised in England or at least lived in England for a while before emigrating to America. But I wouldn't jump to any conclusions, either. Ain't I wishy-washy? <G> Vickie Elam White

There are four Poseys who were DAR member's ancestors. They were Benjamin, Thomas, Zephaniah and Micajah. Descendant of Benjamin Posey, of Maryland. . Gr.-gr.-granddaughter of Benjamin Posey and Mary Musgrove, his wife, m. 1770. Benjamin Posey, (1749-94), enlisted as a private for three years 1778 in the first Maryland regiment. He was married in Charles county. Gr-granddaughter of Thomas Posey and Mary Alexander Thornton, his 2nd wife. Thomas Posey (1750-1818), served as captain, 1776; major, 1778, and lieutenant colonel at the close of the war. He was born in Spotsylvania County, Va.; died in Shawneetown, Ill. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Zephaniah Posey and Mary Jackson (1760-1839), his wife. Zephaniah Posey (1753-1826) served as private in Col. Daniel Morgan's 11th Virginia regiment; was made sergeant and served in the 15th Virginia regiment. He was born in Virginia; died in Hamilton County, Ohio. Descendant of Sergt. Zephaniah Posey. Daughter of Harrison Posey (1825-85) and Sarah Gardner (1831-83), his wife, m. 1849. [p.92] Granddaughter of Armstead Posey (1793-1860) and Catherine Miller (1788-1857), his wife. Descendant of Lieut.-Col. Thomas Posey. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Thomas Posey and Mary Alexander, his wife. Thomas Posey (1750-1818) served as captain, 1776, major, 1778, and lieutenant-colonel at the close of the war. He was born in Spotsylvania County, Va.; died in Shawneetown, Ill. . Thomas Posey m. 1st Martha Matthews (1754-78); Henry Dixon m. Frances Wynn. Thomas Posey (1750-1818) served, 1776, as captain; 1778, was major, and at the close of the war held the rank of lieutenant-colonel. He was born in Spotsylvania County, Va.; died in Shawneetown, Ill. Descendant of Major Micajah Posey, as follows: 3. Micajah Posey m. 1793 Rachael Peck. Micajah Posey served as major in the Pennsylvania troops under Colonel Bull. He was born in Chester County, Pa., where, in 1828, he died.

Shirley Warren and I looked at the Ferrar/Farrar family a couple months ago to see if we could find some clues about Francis Posey there. The Farrar family were a wealthy family who settled on an island, Farrar's Island, in Henrico County about 15 miles south of the current city of Richmond. Shirley found a lot of information on the Internet, but it basically works out to Captain William Farrar was born in Londond in 1593. He died before June 11, 1637. He was a barrister who came to Virginia aboard the Neptune in 1618. He married Cecily Jordon of Jordon's Journey (a plantation) on the James River in Henrico County, about 1625. It looks like my notes say she was born about 1600 in England and immigrated to Virginia on the HMS Swan in 1610. She died after 1637. It was their son, William Jr., who transported Francis Posey and others to VA, but it all happened about the time his father died. How old would young William have been? 12? Probably the credit for transportation was given to him since his father may have died while the boat was in transit (Michelle's interpretation). Maybe Shirley can check her notes further, I'm working off notes I found in the Sutro Library in a book called "The Farrars" (p. 14). Our reasoning was, since we had the name of the ship, surely we could find a little more information--from where the ship sailed, for example. I didn't take the next step to check that out, however. Sorry! Michelle Ule Robertule@aol.com Ukiah, CA

In a message dated 5/14/2000 7:07:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fzsaund@ix.netcom.com writes: > William FARRAR, son and heir of William FARRAR on 11 June 1637 claimed 2000 > for 40 persons "transported as his own costs," so it would seem that in this > case FARRAR/FERRAR had not purchased the rights from someone else. Just to clarify, William Jr. was the minor son of William Sr. who transported the 40 persons, correct? Sounds like there was probably just a geographical connection between Francis POSEY and William FERRAR, but I wouldn't rule out some sort of extended family connection. > According to an entry on WorldConnect on William FERRAR, (Sr.) > he was born in London in 1593, his parents being born in Hertford > and Cheshire. A William FERRAR was christened 13 January 1594 at Allhallows London Wall, London England. His father was listed as Thomas FERRAR. I don't know if this is the same William, though. That brings me to another question -- Francis POSEY's birthdate is usually listed as ca 1615. Where did this date come from? Had he deposed in a court case and given his age? Has a passenger list with his age been found? The reason I ask is that there are records of several Francis or Francisco PEWSEYs or PEWSIEs in London, but the birthdates don't match. Vickie Elam White

Shirley, do your records impky that Francis was indeed the son of Martyn? Is it possible to hook them up? This would be great if its true. Ginnie

My apologies! I made a major goof in sending that message to the list. It was intended for just one person with whom I have been corresponding for sometime. That's the first time I've made a sarcastic or derogatory statement about anyone's research in the several years I have been online; and that would be when it was mistakenly sent to a list. Also, I did not intend to imply that Francis Posey came to America from France. I do have a copy from microfilm of the Threadneedle Street Church record for Martyne/Marteyn Poschet. I do have information on the Farrar name and will check it for any further clues. Shirley Warren