Vickie, Thanks for the citations on Poseys in the Threadneedle Church. With all the misinformation floating around it is good to have the citations so that information can be verified and examined for additional clues. Rebecca Christensen

In a message dated 5/23/2000 12:42:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KDale60909@aol.com writes: > Beware--a lot of those records are not valid. They were extracted from > Ancestral Files (submitted by the public) as well as copied documents. If > you > check through carefully, you can often spot WHICH ancestral file a record > came from--or you'll see several files on the same person, some with actual > dates, others estimated. > You misunderstand what the IGI is. It contains both submissions from the public (LDS and non-LDS members) and extracted records. The AF is entirely separate. If you look at the batch numbers, if they are preceeded by the letters C, E, J, F, and M (except M17___ and M18___ records) then they were extracted from parish records, court records, town records, etc. The LDS' extracted records program used at least two double-checks of the records and is noted for a high degree of reliability. There was also, at one time, a special LDS unit devoted to medieval records (pre-1600) and the extracted records are included in the IGI. However, mistakes do happen. Also, there is no guarantee that the actual records being extracted are 100% accurate. My particular specialty is medieval genealogy, especially as it pertains to New England descendants, but the same methodology applies to southern US research as well. The extracted records in the IGI are generally accepted by medievalists but verified "when we get to it." :-) Vickie Elam White

Hi Michele.....could you give me the parents of your Rev.War ancestors? Was your Ben a son of my Ben? Ginnie

In a message dated 05/23/2000 10:27:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time, VEWhite@aol.com writes: << This is taken from the *extracted records* (not those submitted by the public) on the online IGI. >> Beware--a lot of those records are not valid. They were extracted from Ancestral Files (submitted by the public) as well as copied documents. If you check through carefully, you can often spot WHICH ancestral file a record came from--or you'll see several files on the same person, some with actual dates, others estimated.

Michael Allison wrote -- > Can you tell me, please, what record you have showing the > surname POSEY in the Threadneedle St. Hugenot Church in > London? I didn't know there was such a record. In fact, one > researcher told me that she had thoroughly checked for that > possibility and found absolutely nothing. I would appreciate it > if you would please tell me the specific record you have and > where the original source is physically located so I can get a > copy. Thanks! Although there were other POSEYs in England at that time, I see only one at Threadneedle: The christening of Estienne POSEY took place at Threadneedle church on 28 Feb 1630. His parents were listed as Martin POSEY and Marye BRY. This is taken from the *extracted records* (not those submitted by the public) on the online IGI. As always, it would need to be verified, but the controlled extraction program has a high degree of professionalism and can usually be trusted. The specific film/fiche number is below (taken from a book of printed church records). The christening of a Marie POSSET, daughter of Martin POSSET, took place on 13 May 1632. No mother was listed. The christening of a Francoise POSSE, son of Martin POSSE and Julliene BLOUCKLIE took place on 19 Jan 1640. If this is the same Martin with a new wife, then that makes three different spellings to check for POSEY. I saw no trace of the oft-mentioned POSCHET spelling. The source is given as follows: Title: Computer printout of London, Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, Lond., Eng (extracted for the controlled extraction program and published by the Genealogical Dept. of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) Notes: Batch nos. 04903-1, 2. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Extracted from microfilm copies of church record transcripts on film nos. 0962135 it. 1 (v. 9), 0962166 it. 1 (v. 13), 0962166 it. 4 (v. 16), 0962139 it. 1 (v. 23) or book no. 942.1/L1 B4h v. 9, 13, 16, 23. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Located in the parish of St. Bartholomew by the Exchange. Subjects: England, London, St. Bartholomew by the Exchange - Church records - Indexes Format: Books/Monographs (On Fiche) Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City : Genealogical Society of Utah, 1992 Physical: 6 microfiches. ******************************************************************* Vickie Elam White

"My" Posey boys, Benjamin and Bennett, served in the Revolutionary War as teenagers. Benjamin (1760-1820) enlisted in the continental Army on March 9, 1777 and served for three years until his discharge on March 7, 1780. (Continental Maryland Militia, number S36238). His brother Bennett (1762-1832) enlisted as a private on June 5, 1778, about the time of his 16th birthday (Records of Maryland Troops in the Continental Sevice, p. 32). The Muster Rolls of Maryland Troops in the American Revolution 1778-1783 list Bennett as having been discharged on April 5, 1779. (Archives of MD, vol 18, pp150, 331). The two eventually moved on to Georgia and both were listed in the land rights lotteries. Bennett was noted a "Rev soldier". (Index to Headright and Bounty Grants of GA Bk BBBB p. 174). I don't know why they aren't listed in DAR records, but it looks to me like they were rebel soldiers! It should be noted that their cousin Belain Posey, also of Charles County, captained a troop of Maryland militia members which had at least five cousins involved as soldiers. As to the continued mystery of Francis Posey's origins, has anyone checked the LDS records for anything about a Francis Posey in England at the pertinent time? Michelle Ule Robertule@aol.com Ukiah, CA

Thanks for the below information. Michael VEWhite@aol.com wrote: > Although there were other POSEYs in England at that time, I see > only one at Threadneedle: > > The christening of Estienne POSEY took place at Threadneedle > church on 28 Feb 1630. His parents were listed as Martin POSEY > and Marye BRY. This is taken from the *extracted records* (not those > submitted by the public) on the online IGI. As always, it would need > to be verified, but the controlled extraction program has a high degree > of professionalism and can usually be trusted. The specific film/fiche > number is below (taken from a book of printed church records). > > The christening of a Marie POSSET, daughter of Martin POSSET, > took place on 13 May 1632. No mother was listed. > > The christening of a Francoise POSSE, son of Martin POSSE and > Julliene BLOUCKLIE took place on 19 Jan 1640. If this is the same > Martin with a new wife, then that makes three different spellings to > check for POSEY. > > I saw no trace of the oft-mentioned POSCHET spelling.

VEWhite@aol.com wrote: > > I agree that researching England must come first. There *were* > POSEYs in England at that time (in London as early as the 1570s > and not only in the Threadneedle St. Huguenot church). Can you tell me, please, what record you have showing the surname POSEY in the Threadneedle St. Hugenot Church in London? I didn't know there was such a record. In fact, one researcher told me that she had thoroughly checked for that possibility and found absolutely nothing. I would appreciate it if you would please tell me the specific record you have and where the original source is physically located so I can get a copy. Thanks! Michael Allison

Hi There Posey descendents, I subscribe to the Posey line because so many Posey's, Philpotts and others were allied with my family, the Rigg family, which started in Charles County, VA probably as far back as "ante" 1688. I have watched you all wrestle with the controversy concerning your supposed "French" roots. We had a similar legend in our family, what I refer to as the "Charles Rigg -and-Mary Townley-shipboard romance" tradition. This story took a long time to die and probably isn't dead yet, every year new people find genealogy, somebody pulls out that research and we are off to the races again. Fortunately, one of my cousins in Virginia, now has a web site where he posts all our latest research which supports the Thomas Rigg and Mary Peele Rigg duo as the earliest ancestors we have documented proof of. My point is this: I have seen references to the early "land grant barons" of the Virginia and Maryland variety, namely people like the Culpeppers, the Fairfaxes, the Masons, the Washingtons, the Wests, the Lees, the Spencers, the Townleys etc., and one of them mentions in passing that he was fond of importing French Hugenot immigrants because they were trustworthy, reliable, hardworking or whatever. Our family also has a strong connection with a family called Beauchamp, this surname was later Anglicized in pronounciation to "Beecham". My theory is that the Beauchamps may have been Hugenots who came through England. Could it be be true of your Posey? If the name originates from a French one. What is the history of the surname in England? Do you know? I would follow that lead if I were you. Mr. Rick Saunders, you are a professional genealogist, you would know if the lead I am suggesting is worthwhile or not. Meanwhile, I enjoy your list. Good luck. All the Best, Charlotte Rigg Nugent

Posted on: Posey Queries Board URL: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Posey?read=120 Surname: Posey, Riffle, Dean ------------------------- Looking for any info on Joseph Posey married to Emzie Riffle from Braxton Co. I have no dates or any other info besides their daughter Dora E. Posey Dean b.Aug.30 1907 d.Aug 2, 1997. married to Clyde O. Dean b.July 10,1908 d.May 3, 1947., from Heaters,WVa.

In a message dated 5/22/2000 11:43:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dma12@bellsouth.net writes: > If we stick to the facts, we probably do have an English thing facing us, > since > that is the only country the records of his life lead back to. And of course > that is nothing more than mere transportation to America. Who knows where he > came from?! But we'll never know if we don't throw out all preconceived > notions. > Even more importantly, we have to stop dead in our tracks with all of this > trying with all of our might to "keep him French". A lot of folks are > trying to > find a way to keep him French instead of facing the facts. > I agree that researching England must come first. There *were* POSEYs in England at that time (in London as early as the 1570s and not only in the Threadneedle St. Huguenot church). There were also POSSETs and POSSEs (a Martin POSEY's name was also spelled POSSET and POSSE in his children's baptismal records, so maybe the name was pronounced Pos-ay?) PEWSEYs, PAUCEYs, etc. I think that we need to research the FARRAR angle, since William FARRAR sponsored Francis' transportation to America. But we should look at William's extended family and look in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire as well as London because those were the FARRAR "stomping grounds." By the way, according to __Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, 2d ed.__ by David Faris (p. 135) William FARRAR was baptized in Croxton, Lincolnshire in 1583. I've seen his birthdate listed as 1594 in several places but perhaps this was a different man? Anyway, he came to America in August 1618 on the "Neptune" with Lord de la WAR. He *went back to London in 1631* and then returned to VA (year not given). I would be willing to bet that this trip back to London was when he recruited folks to come to VA, possibly our Francis POSEY. If there was any way to trace William's travels during his visit to London, that might help us. Anyway, just my two cents. Vickie Elam White

yes Michael it is sad. I had my tiarra polished and was planning on buying a throne except in Florida it is hard to decorate a throne room.....alas. Frankly, I am not too thrilled about being French anyway. Found out a few years ago that my Friend family didnt originate in Germany as I had guessed...they were Swedish. Hooray. Except that they arent used to sun, so I have had a few skin cancers on my back. Something to blame on the Swedes. Thank you so much for your answer. These elusive Poseys give us reason to communicate with each other, and that aint all bad. Ginnie

Michael, where do we go next? Is there any way we could as a group pool our resources and try to get to the bottom of this French/English thing? Has anyone ever written to Cambria, France or any of the other sites to see if there was any record of the Poschets that rings true? I suppose all of this has been done long before this.......Too bad.....Ginnie

I agree. wish we could find it and settle the French aspect once and for all. Do you know anything about the Benjamin Posey who was in the Rev. War? I have 3 in my line, but one was in 1600's and the others born after the Rev. wonder where that Ben fits in.....Ginnie

Ginnie6125@aol.com wrote: > Michael, where do we go next? Is there any way we could as a group pool our > resources and try to get to the bottom of this French/English thing? I agree about pooling resources! And we certainly have the top Posey researcher here on the list -- Rick Saunders from Salt Lake City. No doubt there are other good researchers among us and together we might just get somewhere. But I don't agree about there being a "French/English thing" to deal with. You see, if we stick to genealogical fact, we don't even have an English thing to deal with yet, let alone a French one! France just isn't in the picture unless a record pops up leading us there. And that has never happened yet. If we stick to the facts, we probably do have an English thing facing us, since that is the only country the records of his life lead back to. And of course that is nothing more than mere transportation to America. Who knows where he came from?! But we'll never know if we don't throw out all preconceived notions. Even more importantly, we have to stop dead in our tracks with all of this trying with all of our might to "keep him French". A lot of folks are trying to find a way to keep him French instead of facing the facts. > anyone ever written to Cambria, France or any of the other sites to see if > there was any record of the Poschets that rings true? To be honest, I hit the delete key on the POSCHET fairy tale file a couple of years ago and I've never looked back. The Poschets are, to me, irrelvant to the issue. Problem is, we don't know who IS relevant!<g> Wish I had more to offer, but I don't know any more than anyone else, probably even much less! Sad state of affairs, huh? Michael

Shirley Davis Warren wrote: > The lady named Dorothy who sent the the first msg said her source was Nat'l > Huguenot's Society's Register of Qualified Ancestors. I don't know if there > is such a register, but why would anyone want to make it up? The Hugenot Society does indeed publish quite a bit of material. My local research library has a large collection of it. Unfortunately, it's nothing more than a collection of what someone claims as true. I've seen very little documented history in it. The Posey material I inspected is nothing more than the "same old, same old" tale that someone heard from someone else and passed on to someone else -- the story that has been repeated over and over again without ever asking for documentation. In the Hugenot Society material I inspected, there's not the first ounce of documentation to back up anything. I think we know why!<g> Wish that weren't the case! Michael Allison

The lady named Dorothy who sent the the first msg said her source was Nat'l Huguenot's Society's Register of Qualified Ancestors. I don't know if there is such a register, but why would anyone want to make it up?

hI Dorothy......do you think any of this is verified? So many writers recently saying there is no proof. Did your papers mention their source? Wish it was all true...Ginnie

A couple of e-mail msgs from '96 that came to me--just forwarding the information for your perusal. In the Nat'l Huguenot's Society's Register of Qualified Ancestors is: Francis Posey, d 1654, St. Mary's co. MD, mar to Elizabeth ? She married 2d John Belaine, and 3rd John Smith. Francis fled to London then VA in 1637, was in St. Mary's co, MD in 1650. Children: Anne b ? mar 1699 to Joynn Mould; Benjamin b 1648 d 1715, m to Mary? Belaine widow of Nicholas Belaine; John: b 1652 mar ca 1679 to Susanna (prob Belaine?) So the two names Posey and Belaine were actually two families related by marriage. (Dorothy) another: Francis PROSCHET/Posey born in france, crossed the sea in a sailboat for America. He came in a group with 40 immigrants with William Farrar, SR to Henrico Co VA and landed June 11, 1637. In 1640 he moved to St. Mary's MD and became a large landowner. His patent included 100 acres for John Villain/Belaine's transportation in 1646. Francis died Mar 1654. His widow, Elizabeth m ca 1654 John Belaine who died in 1663. Francis & Elizabeth had Anne, Benjamin and John. Elizabeth and John Belaine had Nicholas and Grace. (Gene)

I received the following email from the Worcester Co., MA list. I'm sending this along to this list as an "FYI". Cindy <<< I've seen it all now! I have to wonder how far Rep. Pease will get trying to muzzle information related to America's #1 hobby. His e-mail address is available at the url listed below. Regards, Deb New Privacy Threat: Genealogy? by Declan McCullagh 3:00 p.m. May. 18, 2000 PDT Just when you thought there was nothing new to say about the oft-cited privacy threats that Americans face, along comes Congress with another worry: genealogy. During a privacy hearing Thursday before a House Judiciary subcommittee, Rep. Ed Pease (R-Ind.) said the growing number of websites that allow people to trace their families' history was a threat that called for legislative action. "There are some commercial ventures now providing information on this subject ... oftentimes genealogical information involves a mother's maiden name, and that is often used by many as a password," Pease said. .................. To view this article in its entirety, go to the following url: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,36442,00.html >>>