Posted on: Posey Queries Board URL: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Posey?read=135 Surname: Posey, Blanchard, Fleming ------------------------- Searching for information on John Posey b.-1841 in Illinois,(John was a son of Mcajah Cage Posey and Eliza McMakin), d.-1924 in ND. Wife was Louisa Jane Posey 1840-1877,(cousin and daughter of James Posey and Jerusha Farris). Children were Elizabeth A b.1862, James M. b.1863or64,Almira J. b.1864, Ellen b. 1866, Latitia A. b. 1868, Alice B. b. 1871, Clara M. b. 1874 (my grandmother), Eda R. b. 1876. This family lived in Crawford County, Wisconsin. After the death of Louisa Jane, John is to have married Catherin Kate Hopwood in ND. Her maiden name was Hellmund. I would like to know anything about any of the children of John and Louisa. I understand that one of the girls married and lived in Taber, Alberta, Canada about 1909. Clara M. married Francis J. Blanchard in ND and they emigrated to Alberta in 1909.

Translation of the French article from "Dictionaire de la Noblesse par de la Chenaye-Desbois et Badier" troisieme edition Paris 1870, reprint 1969 Kraus-Thomson Org. Ltd. POSCHET De VOYAUX, nobel family of German origins, which was transplanted in diverse provinces because of wars. One of this name was established in Voyoux, District of Maubeuge, sub-district of Valenciennes. I. Eustache-Joseph Poschet, Knight, Lord of Raazem, Lieutenant of the Royal Guard, married Mathilde de Foeleimberg, from which union: 1. Philippe-Octave-Emmanuel, who follows 2. and Albert-Joseph, Knight of the order of St. John of Jerusalem [Note: this means he went on one of the Crusades] who passed on this inherited title in 1458 to II. Philippe-Octabe-Emmanuel Poschet, Knight, Viscount of Raazem, Colonel of Infantry, married to Reinelde-Eleonore de Montecuculli, from which union: 1. Philippe-Theodore, who follows 2. and Reinelde-Philippifle, who was received as Cannonesse of the nobel Adenne Chapter. III. Philippe-Theodore Poschet, Knight, Viscount of Raazem, Colonel of Infantry, who married Alyde-Rechared de Longueville, from which union IV. Josephe Poschet, Esquire [possibly "master of horses"], Lord of Generet, Lieutenant-Colonel of the Nassau Regiment, who was married, according to a contract of 30 May 1523 to Jeanne-Marguerite de Lalaing, of whom he had V. Mathieu Poschet, Esquire, Captain of the Nassau Regiment, then Mayor of the City of Ath, who was married to Alyde Polayndre, Baroness of Kerkhoven, from which union: VI. Gilles Poschet, Esquire, Sargeant-Major of Infantry at the siege of Ostend, who married, according to a contract of 3 April 1551, Jeanne de Ghozee, which union produced among other children: 1. Martin, who follows 2. and Jean-Baptiste, Knight, President of the Sovereign Counsel fo Namur, who was father of Pierre, who was knighted by letter of [the abbreviation is S.M.C which Gus believes is Sa Majeste or His Majesty with C=???, this was during the reign of Louis XIV], dated January 1664 and Captain in the Regiment of Colonel de la Mothe VII. Martin Poschet, Knight, Lord of Vaux, was married 1st to Anne de Colnet; and 2nd to Iseabeau Tamison, died childless; Of the first bed came VIII Michel Poschet, Esquire, Lorde of Vaux, who married Marie le Mosnier de la Lobbe, from which union IX. Michel de Poschet, II of the name, Knight, Lord of Vaux, etc. who married Ursule Jacquier de Gesvres, from who issued X. Francois Poschet, Knight, Lord of Nahaut, who, from his household with Charlotte Poschet [note: no other identity of Charlotte] had 1. Pierre-Francois, who wished to develop the value of a grant which he had, these being lands under the control of The Empire and obtained letters-patent from S.M.I. [note: again the abbreviation probably means Sa Majeste or His Majesty with the I being unknown. This was during the reign of Louis XV] of December 17, 1749, who confirmed him, as well as his son in the state of "the nobility of the sword" [See History Note at end]; these letters have been registered at the Chamber of Accounts, Finances and Heraldic Courts for Brussels, Mons, and Luxembourg the 7, 29, and 30 of January, 1750 2. Pierre-Joseph, who established himself in the Provence of Champagne and whose nobility was continued by an Order of the Steward of the Provence of September 1741. 3. and Manie-Cathenine-Therese, who married, according to a contract dated 1 April 1723, Louis de Lancy, Lord of the Bois de Caberet [note this translates as Tavern Grove], Knight of Saint Louis, Commander of the second batallion of the Champagne Regiment, of whom she was widowed, and had, among other chidren: 1. Louis-Charles de Lancy, Capitain of the same regiment; 2. and Nicolas-Charles-Gabriel de Lancy, Capitain in the Conde Regiment, Infantry. [Voy=Voyez] Look: LANCY The Arms: silver, with chevrons of gules [see Note following], accompanied by 3 stars of 6 points each, sumounted by a silver helmet and bounlet [?? could not translate] and gules. Crest: A star of gules. [Note on heraldry from the Enclylopedia Britannica, "The field or ground of the shield is of one of three kinds: a colour, a metal, or a fur. There are five main colours (known as tinctures): azure (blue), gules (red), sable (black), vert (green), and purpure (purple)." There were also other colors in English heraldry. [Note, this is the Lancy arms and not directly of the Poshet's] History Notes: In the 18th Century of France, the old nobility were not producing enough sane and intelligent people to do all of the jobs that were expected of them. Some who were more able were intrested in increasing their own independent power and wealth rather than working for the Crown. So, as talented people from the bourgeoisie - the wealthy but not noble class - gained high positions as advisors, they were ennobled by the King. If they were not Nobles of the Sword, then they were Nobles of the Robe, referring to the robe of their official office. Another way to achieve nobility would be for a rich merchant to marry an empoverished noble daughter. Titles, especially at times of royal succession, could get quite confusing and if a noble backed the side that lost, his land would revert to the crown through confiscation. This was then re-issued to those now in favor. So, a Count of xxx would lose his land and have it bestowed on someone else who would then become the Count of xxx. Gretchen Kohl [Alameda,CA] - GretchenKohl@aol.com

thanks Gretchen.....this sounds great.

Thank you Gretchen! Sharon

My Gus was a French major and has lived in France. He was able to translate the material and read it outloud to me as he went along. This afternoon [Friday] he'll do a written translation that I can send to the group. He is also going to give an explaination of the terms and some of the history behind them. Gretchen Kohl [Alameda,CA] - GretchenKohl@aol.com

thanks Emma, my French is too rusty too. Sharon

Here is a rough translation courtesy of Alta Vista. I don't know French, so if anyone does, maybe you can clean this up a bit more for us. winnie --------------------- POSCHET Of VOYAUX, noble Family, originating in Germany, which is transplantee in various Provinces by the events of the wars. One of this name was established has Voyaux, in the Government of Maubeuge, Intendance of Valenciennes. I Eustace-Joseph Poschet, Knight, Baron de Raazem, Lieutenant with the Royal Guards, married Mathilde de Foeleimberg, of which: 1. Philippe-octave-Emmanuel, which follows; 2. And Albert-Joseph, Knight of St-Jean de Jerusalem, who tested into 1458. II. Poschet Philippe-octave-Emmanuel, Knight, Viscount of Raazem, Colonel d' Infanterie, married Reinelde-Eleonore de Montecuculli, of which: 1. Philippe-Theodore, who follows; 2. And Reinelde-Philippine, which knew recue Chanoinesse in noble Chapitre of Andenne. III. Philippe-Theodore Poschet, Knight, Viscount of Raazem, Colonel d' Infanterie, married Alyde-Recharde de Longueville, of which Chanoinesse in noble Chapitre of Andenne. IV. Joseph Poschet, Rider, Lord of Generet, Lieutenant-Colonel of Regiment de Nassau, which is Marie, by contract of May 30 1523, have Jeanne-Marguerite de Lalaing, of which it had V. Mathieu Poschet, Rider, Captain in Regiment de Nassau, since Major of the Town of Ath, which is Marie has Alyde Polayndre, Baronne de Kerkhoven, of which VI. Gilles Poschet, Rider, Sergeant-Major d' Infanterie with the siege of Ostend, which married, by contract of April 3 1551, Jeanne de Ghozee, from which are resulting, between other children: 1. Martin, who follows; 2. And Jean-Baptiste, Knight, President of the Sovereign Council of Namur, which knew father of Pierre, who knew cree Chevalier by Letters of S.M. C, of January 1664 & Capitaine in Regiment of the Colonel of Mothe VII. Martin Poschet, Rider, Seigneur of Be worth, is Marie, 1 A Anne de Colnet; & 2 A Isabeau Tamison, died without children, From the first bed came VIII. Michel Poschet, Rider, Seigneur of Be worth, who married Marie Mosnier of Lobbe, of which IX. Michel de Poschet, II of the name, Rider, Seigneur of Be worth, &c., which is Marie has Ursule Jacquier de Gesvres, of which is resulting X. François Poschet, Rider, Lord of Nahaut, which, of its marriage with Charlotte Poschet, had: 1. Pierre-François, which wanted to put forward a good which belongs to him, fur the Grounds dependantes of the Empire, & obtained Letters patent of S. Mr. I, of December 17, 1749, which confirmerent it, like his/her brother, in his state of nobility of old extraction: these Letters have ete enregistrees with the Rooms of the Accounts, of Finances & Cours Heraldiques of Brussels, Mons & Luxembourg the 7, January 29, & 30 1750; 2. Pierre-Joseph, who was established in the Champagne Province & has ete maintained in his nobility by Ordonnance of the Intendant of the Province of Sep- tembre 1741; 3. And Marie-Catherine-Therese, who has wife, by contract of April 1, 1723, Louis de Lancy, Seigneur of the Wood-of-Cabaret, Chevalier of Saint-Louis, Controlling of the second Battalion of Regiment de Champagne, of which it is widowed, & had, between other children: 1. Louis-Charles de Lancy, Captain in same Regiment; 2. & Nicolas-Charles-Gabriel de Lancy, Captain in Regiment de Conde, Infantry. Voy. LANCY. Weapons: by money, with the rafter of mouths, accompanies by 3 stars has 6 rays of same, surmontees of a heaume & money bourlet & mouths. Cimier: a star of gueles. (from Dictionary of the Nobility by Chenaye-Desbois and Badier third edition Paris 1870) Reprint 1969 Kraus-Thomson Org. Ltd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Gene Gentry" <hgentry@inetport.com> To: <POSEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Thanks for sending it, Sharon. My French isn't good enough to send you a > translation. I hope somebody will. I can only guess at the meanings; it's been > too many years since I had French. But I do appreciate your sending it. Emma > Gene >

I have had the book for years and as best as i can remember, ordered it from the address that I gave you. I don't remember the price. Rita

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D11576B24C13B5FD5BD56BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for sending it, Sharon. My French isn't good enough to send you a translation. I hope somebody will. I can only guess at the meanings; it's been too many years since I had French. But I do appreciate your sending it. Emma Gene SharonS639@aol.com wrote: > For Emma, Ginnie and Gretchen, who offered to get a translation, and the rest > of the list, here is the information in it's entirety, for your viewing > pleasure - or not. > > POSCHET De VOYAUX, Famille noble, originaire d'Allemagne, qui s'est > transplantee dans diverses Provinces par les evenements des guerres. Un de ce > nom s'est etabli a Voyaux, dans le Gouvernement de Maubeuge, Intendance de > Valenciennes. > I. Eustache-Joseph Poschet, Chevalier, Baron de Raazem, Lieutenant aux Gardes > Royales, epousa Mathilde de Foeleimberg, dont: > 1. Philippe-Octave-Emmanuel, qui suit; > 2. Et Albert-Joseph, Chevalier de St.-Jean de Jerusalem, qui testa en > 1458. > II. Philippe-Octave-Emmanuel Poschet, Chevalier, Vicomte de Raazem, Colonel > d'Infanterie, epousa Reinelde-Eleonore de Montecuculli, dont: > 1. Philippe-Theodore, qui suit; > 2. Et Reinelde-Philippine, qui sut recue Chanoinesse au noble Chapitre > d'Andenne. > III. Philippe-Theodore Poschet, Chevalier, Vicomte de Raazem, Colonel > d'Infanterie, epousa Alyde-Recharde de Longueville, dont > IV. Joseph Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Generet, Lieutenant-Colonel du > Regiment de Nassau, qui s'est marie, par contrat du 30 Mai 1523, a > Jeanne-Marguerite de Lalaing, de laquelle il a eu > V. Mathieu Poschet, Ecuyer, Capitaine au Regiment de Nassau, depuis Major de > la Ville d'Ath, qui s'est marie a Alyde Polayndre, Baronne de Kerkhoven, dont > VI. Gilles Poschet, Ecuyer, Sergent-Major d'Infanterie au siege d'Ostende, > qui epousa, par contrat du 3 Avril 1551, Jeanne de Ghozee, dont sont issus, > entr'autres enfants: > 1. Martin, qui suit; > 2. Et Jean-Baptiste, Chevalier, President du Conseil Souverain de Namur, > qui sut pere de > Pierre, qui sut cree Chevalier par Lettres de S.M. C., du Janvier > 1664 & Capitaine dans le Regiment du Colonel de la Mothe > VII. Martin Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Vaux, s'est marie, 1 a Anne de > Colnet; & 2 a Isabeau Tamison, morte sans enfants, Du premier lit vint > VIII. Michel Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Vaux, qui epousa Marie le Mosnier > de la Lobbe, dont > IX. Michel de Poschet, II du nom, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Vaux, &c., qui s'est > marie a Ursule Jacquier de Gesvres, de laquelle est issu > X. Francois Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Nahaut, qui, de son mariage avec > Charlotte Poschet, eut: > 1. Pierre-Francois, qui voulut faire valoir un bien qui lui appartient, > fur les Terres > dependantes de l'Empire, & a obtenu des Lettres Patentes de S. M. I., du > 17 Decembre 1749, qui le confirmerent, ainsi que son frere, dans son etat de > noblesse > d'ancienne extraction: ces Lettres ont ete enregistrees aux Chambres des > Comptes, des Finances & Cours Heraldiques de Bruxelles, Mons & Luxembourg les > 7, 29 & 30 Janvier 1750; > 2. Pierre-Joseph, qui s'est etabli dans la Province de Champagne. & a > ete > maintenu dans sa noblesse par Ordonnance de l'Intendant de la Province du > Sep- > tembre 1741; > 3. Et Marie-Catherine-Therese, qui a epouse, par contrat du 1 Avril > 1723, Louis de Lancy, Seigneur du Bois-de-Cabaret, Chevalier de Saint-Louis, > Commandant du second Bataillon du Regiment de Champagne, dont elle est veuve, > & a eu, entr'autres enfants: 1. Louis-Charles de Lancy, Capitaine dans le > meme Regiment; 2. & Nicolas-Charles-Gabriel de Lancy, Capitaine dans le > Regiment de Conde, Infanterie. Voy. LANCY. > Les armes: d'argent, au chevron de gueules, accompagne de 3 etoiles a 6 > rais du meme, surmontees d'un heaume & bourlet d'argent & de gueules. Cimier: > une etoile de gueles. > ( from Dictionnaire de la Noblesse par de la Chenaye-Desbois et Badier > troisieme edition Paris 1870) Reprint 1969 Kraus-Thomson Org. Ltd. -- Emma Gene Gentry <hgentry@inetport.com> Austin, Texas --------------D11576B24C13B5FD5BD56BE0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="hgentry.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Emma Gene Gentry Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="hgentry.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Emma Gene (Seale) Gentry x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 fn:Emma Gene (Seale) Gentry end:vcard --------------D11576B24C13B5FD5BD56BE0--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------29F310961F0816BD8B69EC3F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a good idea to me. "Fredric Z. Saunders" wrote: > Ginny, > > The requirements that they sent me were that anyone who is over 18, adheres to Huguenot principles of Faith and Liberty, and is descended from a Huguenot that emigrated prior to the Edict of Toleration in 1787, or remained in France after the Edict, can join. > > Since they accepted Francis as a Huguenot with the only "documentation" being what was stated in a book, presumably anyone who is descended from him can join, as long as they pass the first two requirements. > > I have a feeling their requirements of "proving" the person was a Huguenot are rather loose, or they might have problems having enough members. I can't tell them how to run their organization, but I think they would do a better service to the public, and the perceived repution by the public of their organization if they allowed anyone to join, and then issued certificates or something to members who submitted strigent documentation back to and including their Huguenot ancestor. > > Rick Saunders -- Emma Gene Gentry <hgentry@inetport.com> Austin, Texas --------------29F310961F0816BD8B69EC3F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="hgentry.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Emma Gene Gentry Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="hgentry.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Emma Gene (Seale) Gentry x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 fn:Emma Gene (Seale) Gentry end:vcard --------------29F310961F0816BD8B69EC3F--

For Emma, Ginnie and Gretchen, who offered to get a translation, and the rest of the list, here is the information in it's entirety, for your viewing pleasure - or not. POSCHET De VOYAUX, Famille noble, originaire d'Allemagne, qui s'est transplantee dans diverses Provinces par les evenements des guerres. Un de ce nom s'est etabli a Voyaux, dans le Gouvernement de Maubeuge, Intendance de Valenciennes. I. Eustache-Joseph Poschet, Chevalier, Baron de Raazem, Lieutenant aux Gardes Royales, epousa Mathilde de Foeleimberg, dont: 1. Philippe-Octave-Emmanuel, qui suit; 2. Et Albert-Joseph, Chevalier de St.-Jean de Jerusalem, qui testa en 1458. II. Philippe-Octave-Emmanuel Poschet, Chevalier, Vicomte de Raazem, Colonel d'Infanterie, epousa Reinelde-Eleonore de Montecuculli, dont: 1. Philippe-Theodore, qui suit; 2. Et Reinelde-Philippine, qui sut recue Chanoinesse au noble Chapitre d'Andenne. III. Philippe-Theodore Poschet, Chevalier, Vicomte de Raazem, Colonel d'Infanterie, epousa Alyde-Recharde de Longueville, dont IV. Joseph Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Generet, Lieutenant-Colonel du Regiment de Nassau, qui s'est marie, par contrat du 30 Mai 1523, a Jeanne-Marguerite de Lalaing, de laquelle il a eu V. Mathieu Poschet, Ecuyer, Capitaine au Regiment de Nassau, depuis Major de la Ville d'Ath, qui s'est marie a Alyde Polayndre, Baronne de Kerkhoven, dont VI. Gilles Poschet, Ecuyer, Sergent-Major d'Infanterie au siege d'Ostende, qui epousa, par contrat du 3 Avril 1551, Jeanne de Ghozee, dont sont issus, entr'autres enfants: 1. Martin, qui suit; 2. Et Jean-Baptiste, Chevalier, President du Conseil Souverain de Namur, qui sut pere de Pierre, qui sut cree Chevalier par Lettres de S.M. C., du Janvier 1664 & Capitaine dans le Regiment du Colonel de la Mothe VII. Martin Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Vaux, s'est marie, 1 a Anne de Colnet; & 2 a Isabeau Tamison, morte sans enfants, Du premier lit vint VIII. Michel Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Vaux, qui epousa Marie le Mosnier de la Lobbe, dont IX. Michel de Poschet, II du nom, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Vaux, &c., qui s'est marie a Ursule Jacquier de Gesvres, de laquelle est issu X. Francois Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Nahaut, qui, de son mariage avec Charlotte Poschet, eut: 1. Pierre-Francois, qui voulut faire valoir un bien qui lui appartient, fur les Terres dependantes de l'Empire, & a obtenu des Lettres Patentes de S. M. I., du 17 Decembre 1749, qui le confirmerent, ainsi que son frere, dans son etat de noblesse d'ancienne extraction: ces Lettres ont ete enregistrees aux Chambres des Comptes, des Finances & Cours Heraldiques de Bruxelles, Mons & Luxembourg les 7, 29 & 30 Janvier 1750; 2. Pierre-Joseph, qui s'est etabli dans la Province de Champagne. & a ete maintenu dans sa noblesse par Ordonnance de l'Intendant de la Province du Sep- tembre 1741; 3. Et Marie-Catherine-Therese, qui a epouse, par contrat du 1 Avril 1723, Louis de Lancy, Seigneur du Bois-de-Cabaret, Chevalier de Saint-Louis, Commandant du second Bataillon du Regiment de Champagne, dont elle est veuve, & a eu, entr'autres enfants: 1. Louis-Charles de Lancy, Capitaine dans le meme Regiment; 2. & Nicolas-Charles-Gabriel de Lancy, Capitaine dans le Regiment de Conde, Infanterie. Voy. LANCY. Les armes: d'argent, au chevron de gueules, accompagne de 3 etoiles a 6 rais du meme, surmontees d'un heaume & bourlet d'argent & de gueules. Cimier: une etoile de gueles. ( from Dictionnaire de la Noblesse par de la Chenaye-Desbois et Badier troisieme edition Paris 1870) Reprint 1969 Kraus-Thomson Org. Ltd.

no withdrawal for me either Michael! I like your sense of humor - and that you have it! Sharon

You are right Rick. I saw no reason to join, but found it odd that you have to descend from a Huguenot to join. You would think they would want to strengthen their numbers by being open. On the other hand, they dont have services anywhere do they? I dont see anywhere that they get together at all, unless they are like the Scots and have gatherings once a year. I am still pouting about not getting my tiarra to wear...ginnie

Ginny, The requirements that they sent me were that anyone who is over 18, adheres to Huguenot principles of Faith and Liberty, and is descended from a Huguenot that emigrated prior to the Edict of Toleration in 1787, or remained in France after the Edict, can join. Since they accepted Francis as a Huguenot with the only "documentation" being what was stated in a book, presumably anyone who is descended from him can join, as long as they pass the first two requirements. I have a feeling their requirements of "proving" the person was a Huguenot are rather loose, or they might have problems having enough members. I can't tell them how to run their organization, but I think they would do a better service to the public, and the perceived repution by the public of their organization if they allowed anyone to join, and then issued certificates or something to members who submitted strigent documentation back to and including their Huguenot ancestor. Rick Saunders

Sharon, I would like to see the rest......these are also my ancestors, and I am just as curious. After all, some of us bought our tiarra's and almost bought thrones when this was debunked...What a bummer. Hope we can prove our "royalty" Ginnie

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D1A3EE328E66591B720B94EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sharon, I'd like to see a copy of this document. Is it too long to post to the list? If so, I can send you a SASE or whatever method you prefer so please let me know. Thanks. Emma Gene Gentry SharonS639@aol.com wrote: > Rick, I offer the following FYI, from a book I recently saw. I have not > translated all of it yet. I don't claim it as a source of anything, but felt > you might like to at least see it. > from Dictionnaire de la Noblesse (vol 16) > par > de la Chenaye-Desbois et Badier > troisieme edition > Paris 1870 > Kraus Reprint 1969 Kraus-Thomson Org. Ltd > "Poschet de Voyaux, Famille noble, originaire d'Allemagne, qui s'est > transplantee dans diverses Provinces par les evenements des guerres. Un de ce > nom s'est etabli a Voyaux, dans le Gouvernement de Maubeuge, Intendance de > Valenciennes." > ( after several paragraphs, this entry:) > "Francois Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Nahaut, qui, de fon mariage avec > Charlotte Poschet, eut: > 1. Pierre-Francois, qui voulut faire valoir un bien qui lui appartient, fur > les Terres dependantes de l'Empire, & a obtenu des Lettres Patentes de S. M. > I. , du 17 Decembre 1749, qui le confirerent, ainsi que fon frere, dans fon > etat de noblesse d'ancienne extraction: ces Lettres ont ete enregistrees aux > Chambres des Comptes, des Finances & Cours Heraldiques de Bruxelles, Mons & > Luxembourg les 7, 29 & 30 Janvier 1750;" > There is more if you'd like for me to send it as is. > Sharon Posey Smith -- Emma Gene Gentry <hgentry@inetport.com> Austin, Texas --------------D1A3EE328E66591B720B94EE Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="hgentry.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Emma Gene Gentry Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="hgentry.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Emma Gene (Seale) Gentry x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 fn:Emma Gene (Seale) Gentry end:vcard --------------D1A3EE328E66591B720B94EE--

Michael, you are so right. The information sent says exactly (?) what you said. But it was not that unusual for many families in Europe to purchase nobility and if they fell out of favor to have it withdrawn or denied. The record is merely a statement of a transaction. Sharon

SharonS639@aol.com wrote: > Michael, you are so right. The information sent says exactly (?) what you > said. But it was not that unusual for many families in Europe to purchase > nobility and if they fell out of favor to have it withdrawn or denied. The > record is merely a statement of a transaction. > Sharon But you know, apparently the Poschet deal was never formally withdrawn, at least not at that time. I have no idea if the title is extant or dormant or extinct today. From what I've read, it appears that in that particular period in France, titles were being either handed out or sold as if they were on a blue light special at K-Mart. Commoners with enough bucks to pay off an official or pay a forger to produce "ancient documents" were rising so quickly their heads were spinning! Lots of folks in the Posey family have been terribly disappointed about this fake pedigree, but it didn't bother me too much since it has absoluitely nothing to do with the Posey family. Since there's no Poschet ancestry for the Posey family, I didn't go through massive "nobility withdrawal" as some folks did.<g> Michael

The information noted below is even recognized by the French Government as being based on an intentional act of FRAUD. In other words, there is no such thing as the noble POSCHET family! The pedigree was established through forged documents long after the fact. There was no pedigree until the mid 1700's when a member of that family decided he wanted to be a nobleman and set about to trick the French government into declaring him and his alleged ancestors as such. Later the King of Arms declared that it was an invalid claim and that there were no such documents. Michael Allison SharonS639@aol.com wrote: > Rick, I offer the following FYI, from a book I recently saw. I have not > translated all of it yet. I don't claim it as a source of anything, but felt > you might like to at least see it. > from Dictionnaire de la Noblesse (vol 16) > par > de la Chenaye-Desbois et Badier > troisieme edition > Paris 1870 > Kraus Reprint 1969 Kraus-Thomson Org. Ltd > "Poschet de Voyaux, Famille noble, originaire d'Allemagne, qui s'est > transplantee dans diverses Provinces par les evenements des guerres. Un de ce > nom s'est etabli a Voyaux, dans le Gouvernement de Maubeuge, Intendance de > Valenciennes." > ( after several paragraphs, this entry:) > "Francois Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Nahaut, qui, de fon mariage avec > Charlotte Poschet, eut: > 1. Pierre-Francois, qui voulut faire valoir un bien qui lui appartient, fur > les Terres dependantes de l'Empire, & a obtenu des Lettres Patentes de S. M. > I. , du 17 Decembre 1749, qui le confirerent, ainsi que fon frere, dans fon > etat de noblesse d'ancienne extraction: ces Lettres ont ete enregistrees aux > Chambres des Comptes, des Finances & Cours Heraldiques de Bruxelles, Mons & > Luxembourg les 7, 29 & 30 Janvier 1750;" > There is more if you'd like for me to send it as is. > Sharon Posey Smith

Rick, I offer the following FYI, from a book I recently saw. I have not translated all of it yet. I don't claim it as a source of anything, but felt you might like to at least see it. from Dictionnaire de la Noblesse (vol 16) par de la Chenaye-Desbois et Badier troisieme edition Paris 1870 Kraus Reprint 1969 Kraus-Thomson Org. Ltd "Poschet de Voyaux, Famille noble, originaire d'Allemagne, qui s'est transplantee dans diverses Provinces par les evenements des guerres. Un de ce nom s'est etabli a Voyaux, dans le Gouvernement de Maubeuge, Intendance de Valenciennes." ( after several paragraphs, this entry:) "Francois Poschet, Ecuyer, Seigneur de Nahaut, qui, de fon mariage avec Charlotte Poschet, eut: 1. Pierre-Francois, qui voulut faire valoir un bien qui lui appartient, fur les Terres dependantes de l'Empire, & a obtenu des Lettres Patentes de S. M. I. , du 17 Decembre 1749, qui le confirerent, ainsi que fon frere, dans fon etat de noblesse d'ancienne extraction: ces Lettres ont ete enregistrees aux Chambres des Comptes, des Finances & Cours Heraldiques de Bruxelles, Mons & Luxembourg les 7, 29 & 30 Janvier 1750;" There is more if you'd like for me to send it as is. Sharon Posey Smith