This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: IRISHROSE2727 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/114.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I HAVE ACTUALLY GONE TO VITAL RECORDS AND HAVE FOUND HIM AS A PATIENT BUT DO NOT HAVE A CEMETARY NAME ON HIS DEATH CERTIFICATE AND HAVE INQUIRED AT THE FAMILY CEMETARY ANY OTHER IDEAS WOULD BE APPRECIATED Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bari_burke Surnames: Blackwells/Welefare/Roosevelt Island Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/114.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please provide the name and approx date of death; NYC records can be checked. Death certificates usually include the name of the burial cemetery on the bottom left. Families often reclaimed their kin and buried them in family plots off the island. BTW, Ellis Island, the port of Immigration into NYC harbor beginning in 1898, has nothing to do with burials on Blackwells aka Welefare aka Roosevelt Island. B Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Champlain9 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/114.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you contacted Ellis Island? Regards Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: IRISHROSE2727 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/114/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I AM TRYING TO FIND WHERE THEY WOULD BURY SOMEONE THAT WAS ON BLACKWELL ISLAND AS A PATIENT AND EVENTUALLY DIED THERE I HAVE HIT MANY WALLS ON THIS SUBJECT Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: greylyla Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/113/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Ancester, was Kate Cummings, and she is listed in the workhouse of Devizes, Wiltshire in the 1881 census, along with her sister MArtha Cummings (age 6) and brother William Cummings (age 22.) William is listed as "idiot from birth" (which was previously unmentioned in the other censuses.) Are there any records available which might suggest why these children (Kate and Martha) were submitted to the workhouse, while their other siblings were able to stay with their mother, their father being deceased? any help would be greatly appreciated! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

ah - that is THE question! and if you/we knew, we'd solve a huge mystery surrounding many people in the past poorhouses! My first thought would be that since they labeled him as *idiot*, perhaps the others were labeled too - sometimes the census worker did not write them down. Also, the fact that he was 22, he could go to work for someone, whereas children were apprenticed out when someone wanted an extra hand around the home/farm, etc. [boys more so than girls]. Perhaps the mother couldn't keep all the children in her care when she was widowed; it sounds harsh to us now, but back then I guess they had to do what they could to survivie. Your best source would be to check with the local historian from the area of the poorhouse - they will have records that may shed more light on their situation [registration book, forms, inventory of their goods, perhaps letters, etc.]. I did a book about one of the former poorhouses of western NY, and reading some of the records of the facility were amazing - how terrible some were treated, while others appeared to be doing well. Good luck in your researching! : )Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <POORHOUSES-L@rootsweb.com> > > My Ancester, was Kate Cummings, and she is listed in the workhouse of > Devizes, Wiltshire in the 1881 census, along with her sister MArtha > Cummings (age 6) and brother William Cummings (age 22.) > > William is listed as "idiot from birth" (which was previously unmentioned > in the other censuses.) Are there any records available which might > suggest why these children (Kate and Martha) were submitted to the > workhouse, while their other siblings were able to stay with their mother, > their father being deceased?

ah - that is THE question! and if you/we knew, we'd solve a huge mystery surrounding many people in the past poorhouses! My first thought would be that since they labeled him as *idiot*, perhaps the others were labeled too - sometimes the census worker did not write them down. Also, the fact that he was 22, he could go to work for someone, whereas children were apprenticed out when someone wanted an extra hand around the home/farm, etc. [boys more so than girls]. Perhaps the mother couldn't keep all the children in her care when she was widowed; it sounds harsh to us now, but back then I guess they had to do what they could to survivie. Your best source would be to check with the local historian from the area of the poorhouse - they will have records that may shed more light on their situation [registration book, forms, inventory of their goods, perhaps letters, etc.]. I did a book about one of the former poorhouses of western NY, and reading some of the records of the facility were amazing - how terrible some were treated, while others appeared to be doing well. Good luck in your researching! : )Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <POORHOUSES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:12 AM Subject: [POORHOUSES] Devizes poorhouse > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: greylyla > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/113/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My Ancester, was Kate Cummings, and she is listed in the workhouse of > Devizes, Wiltshire in the 1881 census, along with her sister MArtha > Cummings (age 6) and brother William Cummings (age 22.) > > William is listed as "idiot from birth" (which was previously unmentioned > in the other censuses.) Are there any records available which might > suggest why these children (Kate and Martha) were submitted to the > workhouse, while their other siblings were able to stay with their mother, > their father being deceased? > > any help would be greatly appreciated!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kobieharris1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/112.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try www.workhouses.org.uk/Ireland Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This was posted on Cyndis List: What's New on Cyndislist August 11, 2011. URL : http://www.historyhome.co.uk/peel/poorlaw/plaa.htm TITLE : The Old Poor Law 1795-1834 DESCRIPTION : From the Peel Web. Go to Cyndis List and type in POOR HOUSE. Fred Frederick M. Dittmar Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma 73070 Oklahoma Genealogical Society - http://www.okgensoc.org/ Board Member - OKOLHA - http://www.okolha.net List Administrator for 99 mail lists. 32 State-Ghost Towns / 21 Oklahoma- / 13 Family Surnames / 12 Miscellaneous / 8 Canadian & 12 Province & Territories Ghost Towns lists.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bari_burke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/112/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Most wworkhouse posts appear to be about English workhouses. Does anyone have an online lead to workhouses in Ireland? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: willieteresamca Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/102.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sharon, my name is Willie Mcallister from Newry. In attempting to do my family history I discovered that my Great Grandmother died in Dundalk Workhouse at the age of 35, 4 months after giving birth to twin boys, one of which died hours after birth. It appears that she was deserted by her husband sometime around summer of 1900. he had been a soldier and hourse trainer. It's a long ans sad story which is still only becoming clearer. In attempting to get records from the then workhouse, i discover that a decision was taken by the Dundalk Council around the time the state was being established, to distroy all Workhouse records on the basis that noone would ever want to know that a relative was ever an inmate. Such a pity. Hope this is of help. Willie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Here is an interest photo I found today. http://wiki.genealogytoday.com/Nisbeth's_Sanitarium_1914_Photograph.html Frederick M. Dittmar Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma 73070 Oklahoma Genealogical Society - http://www.okgensoc.org/ Board Member - OKOLHA - http://www.okolha.net List Administrator for 99 mail lists. 32 State-Ghost Towns / 21 Oklahoma- / 13 Family Surnames / 12 Miscellaneous / 8 Canadian & 12 Province & Territories Ghost Towns lists.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kobieharris1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/111.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/Family_Research/ i think this is what you need I would try and see if you can find a volunteer from the message boards to go & look for you as their prices are crazy! http://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/859?SEARCH&EXP=REFD "SMSD" Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ramstree Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/111.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It does appear I'll have to pay. It also means I can't gain information about them as they are not direct descendants and it is unlikely that the information will be available though Ancestry if the company itself requires such a high cost to search for information. Thank you so much for your help. You don't by any chance have any idea of where i might find the record for the South metro. School do you? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kobieharris1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/111.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you tried this website? You might have to pay I'm afraid http://www.barnardos.org.uk/who_we_are/history/family_history_service/family_history_service_trace_your_family_history.htm Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ramstree Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/111.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you SOOOO much!!! I was able to see it and it confirms what I suspected. I believe her brothers may be have been moved to 18 Stepney Causeway run by Dr. Barnardo. I found possible records of them arriving in Canada years after their sister in separate groups run by this man. It seems possible since this location would have been around the corner from Limehouse so when it closed they may have been moved there when Elizabeth was sent to South Metropolitan district school in Banstead. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kobieharris1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/111.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I have found this but I am not sure if you will be able to see the link http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1557&path=Tower Hamlets.Stepney.Admission and Discharge.Limehouse Children's Establishment: Admissions and Discharges,1872-1873.16 It is the Poor Law Records-Tower Hamlets-Stepney-Limehouse Childrens Establishment-page 16 Tuesday 19th Nov 1872 Elizabeth Young 1865 Thomas Young 1867 Charles Young 1870 Father dead, deserted by mother Hope this is of some help Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ramstree Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/111.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: yes they are on the census: Name: Elizabeth Young Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Elizabeth Young Gender: Female Where born: St George in The East, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St George in The East Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 58 Piece: 540 Folio: 8 Page Number: 10 Her brothers: Thomas and Charles Her mother: Elizabeth Young - listed as head, widowed and a seamstress Address: 2 Princes Street Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kobieharris1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.institutions.poorhouses.general/111.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have them on the 1871 census at all ? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I hope this link interest some: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcasts/living-the-poor-life.htm Fred Frederick M. Dittmar Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma 73070 Oklahoma Genealogical Society - http://www.okgensoc.org/ Board Member - OKOLHA - http://www.okolha.net List Administrator for 99 mail lists. 32 State-Ghost Towns / 21 Oklahoma- / 13 Family Surnames / 12 Miscellaneous / 8 Canadian & 12 Province & Territories Ghost Towns lists.