Oneida County, NY in the 1910 census: two close-but-not-close possibilities, though single people who were usually boarders were not always included, spelling, pronunciation could all confuse the census enumerators. Utica is 3.96 miles from New York Mills according to Mapquest. Utica, Oneida County, Ward 2, Apolionia Starash (well, it starts with an ST-), age 20, cotton mill worker, Aust Polish, immigrated 1909. Oneida County, Ward 8, Wallenti Tulik (well, it starts with a T-), age 27, washer in cloth room, Aust Polish, immigrated 1907. If they both worked in the cotton mills for a time, this would be an explanation of their marriage in Oneida County. The Lehigh Valley railroad was a north-south railroad that would go through Syracuse, but not New York Mills, which is 50 miles east of Syracuse; Lehigh County, PA is about 200 miles from Oneida County, NY. Using Heritage Quest 1910 census, you could search Lehigh County, PA for males between 21-30, born; females 11-20, born Austria; and the same for Oneida County, NY; as you can tell by browsing, there was not a separate census for New York Mills, NY nor for Stiles, PA. I don't find them anywhere in 1920. Did they stay in New York Mills after their marriage? You did a great job finding Walenti and Apolonia; especially because there was also an Apolonia Toczek who lived in Allentown, PA, and her cousin Marya Starzak came through Ellis Island on the way to Apolonia in 1912; there was more than one Walenty Toczek who went to Lehigh County. Many many Toczeks from Nozdrzec went to Stiles and other cities in Lehigh County; Maria and Jendrzej Toczek fromNozdrzec went to Allentown in 1905; why oh why does Walenty's manifest use the town of Narnecz; maybe it was close to Nozdrzec? You could do a name study on Toczek from Nozdrzec to Lehigh County! By the way, it is easier to look for ship manifests on Ellis Island by using the Steve Morse search engine, using 'sounds like' rather than the Ellis Island site. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html I can see the dilemma in finding these folks. Regards, Mary Tina Ellis wrote: > Hello Barbara, > > The ship manifest shows he was going to the home of his brother Jedrzej > Toczek, in Stiles, PA. That is in Lehigh County, PA. In English his name > translates to Andrew. In Polish, it would be Andrzej. > > There is a man listed as Andy Toczek living in Fayette, PA, on September 17, > 1918 according to his WWI Draft card. This card shows that he was from > Austria. > > There is a draft card for a Walenty Toczek living at 622 N 2nd, Allentown. > PA. This city is in Lehigh County. He was born May 15, 1890. He was listed > as an alien from Austria. He was born in Dynow, Galicia, Austria/Hungary. > It shows he was still single on June 5, 1917, which is when he completed the > card. He was working for American Steel Company in Allentown. Dyno~w is in > southern Poland, which used to be in Galicia, which was part of the > Austro/Hungarian Empire. > > You can use http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp or > http://www.mapa.szukacz.pl to locate Dyno~w. You may be able to find some > photos of the area by using http://www.google.com and clicking on Images at > the top of the screen. > > The ship manifest on Apolonia Starzak shows she was traveling with Zofia > Lach, who was going to the same house in Northampton, PA. Zofia filed to > become a citizen. That's what the numbers on her line represent. > Apolonia's mother is listed as Marya Starzak. Zofia's father is listed as > Jan Lach. They were going to the same address in Northampton. They were > both from Nozdrzec, also located in southern Poland. > > > On 9/13/07, Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: >> Thank you so much for showing an interest to my problem. >> Yes, Walenty Toczek came to the US in 1905, he was born in Poland in >> 1884. >> >> The ship manifest said he went to Allelntown, Pa. Apolonia Starzak came >> to the US in 1909, she also born in Poland in 1893, her ship manifest >> said >> she went to Stiles, Pa. The next record I find on them is that they were >> married in New York Mills, NY. in 1911. Any help would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> By the way, through Ellis Island after searching for a month I finally >> found him as Walenti Taczek, however when I actually brought up the >> manifest >> sheet, it was spelled the way he wrote it. >> >> Tina wrote: >>> How about giving us some information? Maybe we can help you. >>> >>> Are you sure they were here before 1910? >>> >>> On 9/9/07, Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> I've seen so many people get help here I wonder if anyone can give >>>> me any suggestions for locating two people on the 1910 census. This >>>> is a missing link for me. I have baptism papers from Poland for >>>> both my grandparents, marriage certificate from 1911, I have the >>>> 1920 and 1930 but can find no record for 1910. I've tried Heritage >>>> Quest and Ancestry. Because they were not married then could it be >>>> that because they were boarders they were never listed?

Hi Mary, I believe my grandmother worked in a mill or cigar factory. My dad and uncle said their dad worked for a railroad, (he worked in one for sure when the kids were little and in Pa). I have used Heritage Quest through the library, is there something special I do to search to get the information you got? can you cut and paste or send me the page to my e-mail address? I am dying to look at it myself. It sounds so interesting and may be some names on the page that look familiar to names on other papers I have. Thanks, Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] 1910 Census > Oneida County, NY in the 1910 census: two close-but-not-close > possibilities, though single people who were usually boarders were not > always included, spelling, pronunciation could all confuse the census > enumerators. Utica is 3.96 miles from New York Mills according to > Mapquest. Utica, Oneida County, Ward 2, Apolionia Starash (well, it > starts with an ST-), age 20, cotton mill worker, Aust Polish, immigrated > 1909. Oneida County, Ward 8, Wallenti Tulik (well, it starts with a > T-), age 27, washer in cloth room, Aust Polish, immigrated 1907. If > they both worked in the cotton mills for a time, this would be an > explanation of their marriage in Oneida County. The Lehigh Valley > railroad was a north-south railroad that would go through Syracuse, but > not New York Mills, which is 50 miles east of Syracuse; Lehigh County, > PA is about 200 miles from Oneida County, NY. > > Using Heritage Quest 1910 census, you could search Lehigh County, PA for > males between 21-30, born; females 11-20, born Austria; and the same for > Oneida County, NY; as you can tell by browsing, there was not a separate > census for New York Mills, NY nor for Stiles, PA. I don't find them > anywhere in 1920. Did they stay in New York Mills after their marriage? > > You did a great job finding Walenti and Apolonia; especially because > there was also an Apolonia Toczek who lived in Allentown, PA, and her > cousin Marya Starzak came through Ellis Island on the way to Apolonia in > 1912; there was more than one Walenty Toczek who went to Lehigh County. > Many many Toczeks from Nozdrzec went to Stiles and other cities in > Lehigh County; Maria and Jendrzej Toczek fromNozdrzec went to Allentown > in 1905; why oh why does Walenty's manifest use the town of Narnecz; > maybe it was close to Nozdrzec? You could do a name study on Toczek > from Nozdrzec to Lehigh County! By the way, it is easier to look for > ship manifests on Ellis Island by using the Steve Morse search engine, > using 'sounds like' rather than the Ellis Island site. > http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html > > I can see the dilemma in finding these folks. > > Regards, > Mary > > Tina Ellis wrote: >> Hello Barbara, >> >> The ship manifest shows he was going to the home of his brother Jedrzej >> Toczek, in Stiles, PA. That is in Lehigh County, PA. In English his >> name >> translates to Andrew. In Polish, it would be Andrzej. >> >> There is a man listed as Andy Toczek living in Fayette, PA, on September >> 17, >> 1918 according to his WWI Draft card. This card shows that he was from >> Austria. >> >> There is a draft card for a Walenty Toczek living at 622 N 2nd, >> Allentown. >> PA. This city is in Lehigh County. He was born May 15, 1890. He was >> listed >> as an alien from Austria. He was born in Dynow, Galicia, >> Austria/Hungary. >> It shows he was still single on June 5, 1917, which is when he completed >> the >> card. He was working for American Steel Company in Allentown. Dyno~w is >> in >> southern Poland, which used to be in Galicia, which was part of the >> Austro/Hungarian Empire. >> >> You can use http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp or >> http://www.mapa.szukacz.pl to locate Dyno~w. You may be able to find >> some >> photos of the area by using http://www.google.com and clicking on Images >> at >> the top of the screen. >> >> The ship manifest on Apolonia Starzak shows she was traveling with Zofia >> Lach, who was going to the same house in Northampton, PA. Zofia filed to >> become a citizen. That's what the numbers on her line represent. >> Apolonia's mother is listed as Marya Starzak. Zofia's father is listed >> as >> Jan Lach. They were going to the same address in Northampton. They were >> both from Nozdrzec, also located in southern Poland. >> >> >> On 9/13/07, Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: >>> Thank you so much for showing an interest to my problem. >>> Yes, Walenty Toczek came to the US in 1905, he was born in Poland in >>> 1884. >>> >>> The ship manifest said he went to Allelntown, Pa. Apolonia Starzak came >>> to the US in 1909, she also born in Poland in 1893, her ship manifest >>> said >>> she went to Stiles, Pa. The next record I find on them is that they were >>> married in New York Mills, NY. in 1911. Any help would be greatly >>> appreciated. >>> >>> By the way, through Ellis Island after searching for a month I finally >>> found him as Walenti Taczek, however when I actually brought up the >>> manifest >>> sheet, it was spelled the way he wrote it. >>> >>> Tina wrote: >>>> How about giving us some information? Maybe we can help you. >>>> >>>> Are you sure they were here before 1910? >>>> >>>> On 9/9/07, Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> I've seen so many people get help here I wonder if anyone can give >>>>> me any suggestions for locating two people on the 1910 census. This >>>>> is a missing link for me. I have baptism papers from Poland for >>>>> both my grandparents, marriage certificate from 1911, I have the >>>>> 1920 and 1930 but can find no record for 1910. I've tried Heritage >>>>> Quest and Ancestry. Because they were not married then could it be >>>>> that because they were boarders they were never listed? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message