Dear listers, Thanks so much for your suggestions. Unfortunately, my grandfather did not talk about his past much, being Jewish and loosing much of the family to Pogroms etc, my father told me he remembers my grandmother weeping frequently upon hearing of yet another death in the old country. She being from I think Vetebsk guebernia, but not sure of town or even if this is correct. My Dad just said it sounded like Vetebsk. My grandfather was the one from Poland. I have no town information but have found others of the same name or facsimiles were from the area near Warsaw or Plock. The name was spelled many different ways, even on documents that I have found. Everything from Turkletaub, Turtletaub, Tierkeltaub and also putting the e before the l. I am most grateful for all of your suggestions. Keep them coming. Leah On May 20, 2007, at 1:18 PM, polandbordersurnames- request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > When replying to a letter, which is in the digest, please delete > the other letters out of your message. Please, also, change the > subject, so the person to whom you are replying understands that > your reply is for him/her. > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Leaving Galicia etc. (Alfred E. Wegner) > 2. Re: Leaving Galicia etc. (VJGunkel@aol.com) > 3. Re: Leaving Galicia etc. (Alfred E. Wegner) > 4. Re: Leaving Galicia etc. (Alfred E. Wegner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:53:58 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) > From: "Alfred E. Wegner" <wegretired@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [PBS] Leaving Galicia etc. > To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4650A756.000001.01468@ALFRED-XKZWF96G> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Leah, > Maybe, this can help. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cansk/bordercrossing/index2.html > > Al Wegner > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Leah Hammer > Date: 5/20/2007 11:38:20 AM > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PBS] Leaving Galicia etc. > > My grandfather was supposed to have been from Poland somewhere. He > left home at 13 or 14 and joined or was conscripted into the > military. He was sent on an excursion to Vetebsk where he met my > grandmother. They became engaged, he came to Winnipeg. He > eventually sent for her and they were married in Winnipeg in 1898. I > have searched everywhere to try and get them into the country. Ellis > Island, the Hamburg list, the northern ports such as Halifax etc and > cannot find either of them coming into the country. I'm curious how > your husband found the entry from his parents Muriel. Any help here > would be much appreciated. I've been unable to find any family or > birth records for any of them. > Leah > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:01:26 EDT > From: VJGunkel@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PBS] Leaving Galicia etc. > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ce8.107d8ca8.33820316@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I'm a little slow at reading some of the questions, but I wanted > to throw in > a thought on this subject, and ask patience if this has been > addressed > already. > > There was a fire at Ellis Island in June of 1897, and records > dating back to > 1855 were destroyed due to this fire. Given the fact that the > grandfather > sent for grandmother-and they were married in 1898, if she came > prior to the > fire and came through Ellis, the records could be lost. Because the > grandfather was already here prior to 1898, his records might also > be lost (if they > came through Ellis Island). > > The only other suggestion I would have to try besides Ellis, > Hamburg, & > Halifax might be some ports you already considered. Baltimore, > the Barge Office, > Castle Garden, and Boston. The largest Canadian Atlantic ports > were Quebec > and Montreal (summer) and St. John and Halifax (winter). (is > there a list for > Breman?). If you are relatively certain they came through > Canadian ports, > I found this information: > > > A large number of immigrants came to the United States via Canada > during the > mid- and late nineteenth century, and for them there is no U.S. > immigration > record. They landed in Canada where no U.S. officer met them or > recorded > information about their arrival in the United States. The always- > growing number > of immigrants who chose this route in the late 1800s finally > convinced the > United States, in 1894, to build and operate the bureaucratic > machinery > necessary to document the many thousands who each year entered at > points along its > northern border. > Maybe some of your relatives could shed light on if the grandfather > come > through Canada and stayed-or did he come through Canada, marry his > wife in > Winnipeg, then came to the US? There might be no immigration > records for you. > This would be disappointing news I realize, but it might help to > know you're > running up against brick walls this might be why and to look for > records > elsewhere. (church records, etc.) > Vicky > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:08:46 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) > From: "Alfred E. Wegner" <wegretired@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [PBS] Leaving Galicia etc. > To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4650AACE.000003.01468@ALFRED-XKZWF96G> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Leah, > On my GAunt's passenger list it asked where she was headed, it said to > Gretna, so I asked my friend in Canada, this is what she wrote. > > Gretna is in Manitoba. > It is a town bordering North Dakota if my geography skills are not > to rusty. > The vast majority of immigrants coming through there did not stay in > Manitoba but went to SK and AB. They almost all travelled by train. > > ----- just had a look on a map, I found it, it is South of Winnipeg > and > slightly west. Just over from highway 29 going up to Winnipeg from > Grand > Forks ND > -Good luck, > Al Wegner > > From: Leah Hammer > Date: 5/20/2007 11:38:20 AM > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PBS] Leaving Galicia etc. > > My grandfather was supposed to have been from Poland somewhere. He > left home at 13 or 14 and joined or was conscripted into the > military. He was sent on an excursion to Vetebsk where he met my > grandmother. They became engaged, he came to Winnipeg. He > eventually sent for her and they were married in Winnipeg in 1898. I > have searched everywhere to try and get them into the country. Ellis > Island, the Hamburg list, the northern ports such as Halifax etc and > cannot find either of them coming into the country. I'm curious how > your husband found the entry from his parents Muriel. Any help here > would be much appreciated. I've been unable to find any family or > birth records for any of them. > Leah > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:18:28 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) > From: "Alfred E. Wegner" <wegretired@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [PBS] Leaving Galicia etc. > To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4650AD14.000005.01468@ALFRED-XKZWF96G> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Vicky, > You said all Records were lost, but I heard that not all were lost, > I think > those that could be saved were sent to Castle Garden. > Al > > -------Original Message------- > > From: VJGunkel@aol.com > Date: 5/20/2007 1:02:08 PM > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PBS] Leaving Galicia etc. > > I'm a little slow at reading some of the questions, but I wanted > to throw > in > a thought on this subject, and ask patience if this has been > addressed > already. > > There was a fire at Ellis Island in June of 1897, and records > dating back > to > 1855 were destroyed due to this fire. Given the fact that the > grandfather > sent for grandmother-and they were married in 1898, if she came > prior to > the > fire and came through Ellis, the records could be lost. Because the > grandfather was already here prior to 1898, his records might also > be lost > (if they > came through Ellis Island). > > The only other suggestion I would have to try besides Ellis, > Hamburg, & > Halifax might be some ports you already considered. Baltimore, > the Barge > Office, > Castle Garden, and Boston. The largest Canadian Atlantic ports > were Quebec > and Montreal (summer) and St. John and Halifax (winter). (is > there a list > for > Breman?). If you are relatively certain they came through > Canadian ports, > I found this information: > > > A large number of immigrants came to the United States via Canada > during the > mid- and late nineteenth century, and for them there is no U.S. > immigration > record. They landed in Canada where no U.S. officer met them or > recorded > information about their arrival in the United States. The always- > growing > number > of immigrants who chose this route in the late 1800s finally > convinced the > United States, in 1894, to build and operate the bureaucratic > machinery > necessary to document the many thousands who each year entered at > points > along its > northern border. > Maybe some of your relatives could shed light on if the grandfather > come > through Canada and stayed-or did he come through Canada, marry his > wife in > Winnipeg, then came to the US? There might be no immigration > records for > you. > This would be disappointing news I realize, but it might help to > know you're > running up against brick walls this might be why and to look for > records > elsewhere. (church records, etc.) > Vicky > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES list administrator, send an > email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES mailing list, send an > email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 273 > ****************************************************