Especially to Fred Hoffman for all the information you gave -now I have to sit down and really think about this and consider where I turn to search next. I'm kind of staggering, but what you explained makes so much sense. Where would you look next ? One time I contacted a genealogist to search out my husbands mothers family history in Austria. He quoted me 1400 Euros-which would have been around $2000.00 in Canadian and I just could not do that. In that case I had an address and the names of ancesters. This family is so much more elusive. Thank you to all the rest of you too. I am just blown away by the response. To Jerry: Living children of this marriage born in Russia before they immigrated to Canada in 1904 were: 1. Simeon Chwatt Antipowicz born Aug 12, 1881 in Kovov, Odessa, Russia. 2. Cornella (Kornella) born 1883 in Russia. 3. Victor born July 17, 1888 in Kovov, Torhaewacka (Torhaevaa??)) Russia . Victor married Lena Melashenko born March 22, 1892 in Petroka, Harkow, Russia. She was the daughter of John F. Melashenko and Ywdokia Hardenko. 4. John born July 1891 in Torhaevaa, Russia. 5. Michalena born in 1893 in Russia 6. Johanna born May 27, 1902 in Crimea, Russia 7. Pertosi (Parask? Bertosi? - he was called Joe in Canada) born in1903, in Russia. Note: They had several other children that died. One child, Olga, who was born in 1892 died in 1904 before the family left. Truthfully they had children almost regularly on a yearly basis. They lost at least 5 other children from what the family records show. The only one I have a baptismal record for is for John and it states that he was baptized at a Catholic Church in Saskatchewan on the 28th of November, 1906. he would have been 15 years old then which surprised me. I am not of the Catholic faith but I thought people were generally baptized as babies. In my searches I have not found the names of any of the places except Crimea-but Crimea is much more complicated than simply being Crimea, as you know I am certain. I don't know if they moved around a lot or if all this places are in general area. If I could nail down where they lived I could even look for grave sights of the children that were born and died th Thank you every one Gloria Antypowich

Hi, Gloria Antypowich wrote: > Especially to Fred Hoffman for all the information you gave -now I have to > sit down and really think about this and consider where I turn to search > next. I'm kind of staggering, but what you explained makes so much sense. > Where would you look next ? One time I contacted a genealogist to search > out my husbands mothers family history in Austria. He quoted me 1400 > Euros-which would have been around $2000.00 in Canadian and I just could > not do that. In that case I had an address and the names of ancesters. > This family is so much more elusive. Well, the information on some of the children seems promising, as it would give you specific dates and places to focus on. But I'm afraid that info is less helpful than it appears. Odessa was in Russia in 1881, but now it's in southern Ukraine (on the Black Sea). I'm also pretty sure "Harkow, Russia" is the town in Ukraine now called Kharkiv, which Poles call Charkow, in northeastern Ukraine. I can't find a Petroka in the Kharkiv area, or a Kovov in the Odesssa area, or a Torhaevaa -- but that latter name looks to me like a misspelled version of a place that is most likely in Ukraine. So I feel reasonably sure most of the children were born in territory that was then in the Russian Empire, but now is in Ukraine. Unfortunately, Kharkiv and Odessa are major cities, province capitals. Saying someone was born in "Kovov, Odessa, Russia" or "Petroka, Harkow, Russia" is like saying someone was born in New York state -- it leaves too much ground to cover. The names of the provincial capitals are recognizable, but you still have to get some kind of lead on "Kovov" and "Petroka." There is a pretty good chance those place names were misspelled or misread along the way, as I can't find either of them in any of my sources. "Petroka" may have been "Petrovka," the Russian name for a place Ukrainians would call "Petrivka." The problem is, there are 9 places called Petrivka in Kharkiv province. So that's no much help. I can't find a Kovov or anything similar in Odessa province. There are professional researchers who can help with tracing roots in Ukraine, but they'd probably charge more than you want to pay. It would make all the difference in the world if you could pin down a place name for even one of the children. But their names and dates of birth are not really enough; you still need the place of birth to make any progress. All I can suggest is to keep digging in every kind of record you can think of, in hopes of finding something that gives you that extra bit of info. If you have a verified, reliable name, place of birth, and date of birth, you can at least attempt to locate records in Ukraine without paying an arm and a leg. But I think you'll need more info than you have now; and you'll have to look for it on this side of the Atlantic. Canadian researchers, in particular, often find useful info from the East European Genealogical Society, headquartered in Winnipeg. They can't do reseasrch for you, but might be able to point you in the right direction. It couldn't hurt to check them out -- I'm assuming you're not already a member. Their Website is at www.eegsociety.org. (I edit their journal, which is why I know so much about them). I'm sorry I couldn't help more, but that's all I can tell you. I hope something I've said may prove useful. Fred Hoffman